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originally posted by: Ghost147
Just to clarify, I'm not saying America is the worst country in the world. Nor am I claiming that any or all other countries are better or worse in any way. Every country has their issues, and that's a fact.
However, America and it's American people are very well known for their absolute love for their country (generally speaking of course). Flags everywhere, chanting "USA, USA, USA!!!" to just about anything, and a seemingly unwavering patriotic mentality. Many American's are excessively proud about their country; and there is nothing wrong with that. However, when the American Government declassifies information about specific actions they take that most would deem "beyond moral reason", many Americans do not even get phased by the information. Some are patriotic to a fault.
This is more of a question than a release of new information, as these declassified files aren't entirely new, and many of them are well known. My question is directed to those American's who still feel that they would bleed on the flag to keep it's stripes red. The American citizens who are seemingly incapable of changing their view about their country. I ask, how do you do it?
Here is the source of this information
1) The US government intentionally poisoned and murdered hundreds of it's citizens by tainting alcohol because it believed it to be a prohibited substance. By adding deadly chemicals to alcohol, they hoped the side effects would be taken notice by their citizens and thus their citizens would steer away from the drink.
The 18th Amendment, which took effect in January 1920, banned the manufacture, sale, and transportation of alcohol — but not consumption. Despite the government's efforts, alcoholism actually skyrocketed during the era.
To keep up with America's thirst, bootleggers not only created their own alcohol but also stole industrial versions, rendered undrinkable by the inclusion of certain chemicals (namely methyl alcohol). Liquor syndicates then employed chemists to "re-nature" the alcohol once again, making it safe for consumption, according to Deborah Blum, author of "The Poisoner's Handbook: Murder and the Birth of Forensic Medicine in Jazz Age New York."
By mid-1927, however, the U.S. government added much deadlier chemicals — kerosene, chloroform, and acetone among those most well known — which made alcohol more difficult to render consumable again. Adding 10% more methyl alcohol caused the worst efforts.
Although New York City's chief medical examiner, Charles Norris, tried to publicize the dangers, in 1926, poisonous alcohol killed 400 in the city. The next year, 700 died.
2) The U.S. Public Health Service lied about treating black men with syphilis for more than 40 years, to see how syphilis would develop if untreated.
In 1932, the Public Health Service collaborated with the Tuskegee Institute to record the history of syphilis in the black male community, hoping to justify a treatment program.
Called the Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male, the study initially included 600 black men — 399 with the disease and 201 without. While the men were told they would receive treatment, however, the researchers never provided adequate treatment for the disease. Even when penicillin became the preferred and available treatment for syphilis, researchers kept their subjects in the dark.
3) Parts of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which led to U.S. intervention in Vietnam, never happened.
After evading a torpedo attack, the USS Maddox reportedly engaged three North Vietnamese boats in the Gulf of Tonkin on both Aug. 2 and 4, 1964, according to the Pentagon Papers. Although without U.S. casualties, the events prompted Congress to pass a resolution allowing President Lyndon John to intervene in the Southeast.
Talk of Tonkin's status as a "false flag" for U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War has permeated public discourse almost since the time of the attacks, especially after the government admitted that the second incident may have involved false radar images.
But after resisting comment for decades, the National Security Agency finally declassified documents in 2005, admitting the incident on Aug. 4 never happened at all.
4) The government tested the effects of L.S.D. on unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens.
Under the code name "MKUltra," the U.S. government ran a human-research operation within the CIA's Scientific Research Division. Researchers tested the effects of hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, torture, and most memorably, L.S.D., on U.S. and Canadian citizens. Most had no idea.
To conduct these experiments, the CIA paid prisons, hospitals, and other institutions to keep quiet. The department even enticed heroin addicts to participate by offering them heroin, according to documents from a joint hearing to subcommittees of Congress, where President Kennedy spoke.
That day, he regaled Congress with "chilling testimony." Over 30 universities became involved in various studies. Notably, many lacked oversight by medical or scientific professionals. At least one participant, Frank Olsen, died, reportedly from suicide after unknowingly ingesting L.S.D..
There are countless others, and many more that are still classified. We see these same terrible choices even today, the only difference is that the US Government hasn't outwardly clarified that our suspicions are valid, yet.
9/11, the Sandy Hook Shooting, the invasion of the middle-east, so on and so forth.
How can anyone really be so proud of their country if they outwardly admit that they have lied to their citizens, have murdered their citizens, have forced those that want to protect their country by serving in their military to go to war for nothing more than made up instances?
Again, I understand that other countries may be just as bad or even worse, and I understand that not all Americans are patriotic, but it's the ones that do blind-follow and accept everything their government feeds them that makes me so confused as to why they still are.
generally speaking, cultural attachment to one's homeland or devotion to one's country, although interpretations of the term vary with context, geography and political ideology.
originally posted by: Ghost147
a reply to: Ultralight
I'm not sure where I represented a misunderstanding during or after the question? I tried my best to clarify that I didn't believe America was the sum of all evil in the world, or that other countries had no issues, or that all Americans are intrinsically equal in mentality. Tsurfer2000h had answered the question in my OP and I accepted his answer. Is there a specific point in any of my posts that you feel I was being unruly with my question?
originally posted by: KnightLight
originally posted by: AnonymousMoose
I love my country, and the constitution for which it was founded upon...the government on the other hand can suck an egg
A country without a Government is not a country.
So.. I mean there is really only one option..
the people in "THE" government are also people too.
originally posted by: Ghost147
However, America and it's American people are very well known for their absolute love for their country (generally speaking of course). Flags everywhere, chanting "USA, USA, USA!!!" to just about anything, and a seemingly unwavering patriotic mentality.
Many American's are excessively proud about their country; and there is nothing wrong with that. However, when the American Government declassifies information about specific actions they take that most would deem "beyond moral reason", many Americans do not even get phased by the information. Some are patriotic to a fault.