A Ritch Jesus?!?! (Seeking updated info)

There was an old Coast to Coast AM on a few nights ago featuring a very convincing guest.

It was on the TRUE historical Jesus, thru the financial records of his family. According to the guest Joseph of airemathea (Jesus dad, adopted father?!?) from the line of David was a wold famous architect or a city planner and nobility. So much so that so that he was actually the 3rd richest guy in judea. So there is a massive paper trail from local sources at the time!!!

That Jesus was born into prob the most prominent family in the area at the time. That he threw off the robes of nobility to walk thru the slums healing the poor and infirm. That he was really crucified for attacking the caste system and nobility as much as the church. Poncho ours Pilate was an old friend of Joseph's and that's why he fights for Jesus at the trial, but Joseph was long dead by then and Jesus didn't make the friends in the nobility when his enemies attacked.



I just heard the radio show so far, but wanted to know what ATS's opinion on this was. It's an old show... Might have been debunked or a yahoo. Anyone know what's up?

Coast To Coast does have some gold in the vaults...

This sounds like an interesting one.

For some reason Princess Diana came to my mind.

We're there any other talking points...
Get them in early before this thread erupts into a few more pages.


S&F.

a reply to: Entreri06

This CNN article which I have not read yet...

It talks about how Jesus had to be Rich..

Jesus Prosperity

The 12th chapter of the Gospel of John says that Jesus had a treasurer, or a "keeper of the money bag."
"The last time I checked, poor people don't have treasurers to take care their money," says Brown, author of "Devil, Demons and Spiritual Warfare."

a reply to: Entreri06

Apparently he died with no riches except to leave the following legacy with mankind, making him one of the richest men ever in my eyes....

1. Do as you would be done by (love thy neighbour as thyself)

2. Love God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind

He taught men to seek knowledge always so whether man or myth - heeding the message of practicing unconditional love and seeking the meaning of life (the God concept), imo, was the treasure he left for each of us.

a reply to: Entreri06
"Massive paper trail"?
Do you realise how little "paper" survives relating to anything in that era?

It would not be hard to consider that the group had funds . The fishing business like today required capital ,and seeing they left that business they must have received some money's from it . Sometimes we forget that the cultural context is hardly anything like ours of today . Today it's you pay -you pay . Every part of life from cradle to grave has a monetary figure attached to it . Not so back then ,but it had started and had even worked it's way into the Temple .

Today we even find churches teaching Tithing which is not lawful according to the bible .www.askelm.com... The bible is very specific on who pays and to who it's paid to and what it is to be used for . Looking at the history about the poor in biblical days one cant help but noticed that there was accommodations made for people who couldn't pay money they didn't have .The book of Ruth is a good example .

Chances are that if we had something like a Jubilee we wouldn't have as many poor .It's the interest on the never ending debt that is really hurting humanity .Spending Trillions of dollars on war machines while enslaving countries with a debt to purchase them .

a reply to: Entreri06

Yeah, It was a Best of Art Bell Somewhere in Time that they played last night. The interview was with Glenn Kimball and was fascinating. Kimball sited some ancient docs that I have never heard of though he said they can be found in most libraries? My curiosity was up so I ordered his books on Amazon to find a list of his sources and check them out. One is called the "Hidden Stories of the Childhood of Jesus (Hidden Treasures)" and "Hidden Politics of the Crucifixion (Hidden Treasures Series)".

He also mentioned a link with the British royal family, Princess Diana, Prince Charles (Arthur is one of his names) and Prince William (Arthur is also one of his names). Also saying docs backed it up and the title he gave for this book came up on a Amazon search as a book written by a different author but that Kimball had written the foreword for it. The title is, "The Holy Kingdom: The Search for the Real King Arthur" by Adrian Gilbert.

I'm going on a beach vacation soon, will take these for midday reading in the room and see just what he based all this on. I hope someone on ATS will post what they think about Kimball's theories, surely it has been discussed here?

ETA: Just ran a search on Glenn Kimball and the Kolbrin Bible seems to be his main source. thekolbrin.com...

STM

Joseph of Arimathea WAS NOT Joseph the "step-father of Jesus, husband of the 'Virgin' Mary."

Joseph of Arimathea was an Essene, and a friend of Nicodemus and Jesus - and there is speculation that Nicodemus actually bribed Pilate to let "Jesus" off the cross WITHOUT BROKEN LEGS and allowed him (Nicodemus) and his friend, Joseph of Arimathea to tend to him.

They did, Jesus wasn't dead, they were expert healers (the Essenes were known for their skill at medical treatment). Then they helped him into exile. He went east to India/Kashmir, and lived out his life.

Joseph of Arimathea

when christ was born His parents offered a dove as a sacrifice, the wealthy offered a lamb, Christs parents showed they were not wealthy because they offered a dove or pigeon.

But hey if you want to ignore the bible and think other things you read or here prove otherwise, hey cool.

The sermon on the mount as taught by Jesus doesnt say the wealthy will inherit the earth no matter what a preacher from the prosperity churches of today say.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Chances are that if we had something like a Jubilee we wouldn't have as many poor .It's the interest on the never ending debt that is really hurting humanity .Spending Trillions of dollars on war machines while enslaving countries with a debt to purchase them .

Exactly.

a reply to: Entreri06

Nope.

- Joseph of Arimathea wasn't Jesus step father or natural father. When Jesus was dying on the cross, He gave His mother to the care of John the Evangelist. This means Mary was a widow by then and without male children other than Jesus, otherwise Jesus wouldn't have handed the care of His mother over to His beloved disciple. Joseph would have taken care of her.

- Jesus wasn't rich. He was very poor. He clearly states in the gospels that 'the Son of Man has no place to lay His head'. Jesus slept in the open air in the Garden of Gethsemane and He had to borrow a donkey and borrow the 'Upper Room' for His last supper. He also had Peter catch a fish with coins in it to pay the temple tax for both Himself and Peter. If there was wealth, none of that would have been necessary. No wealth there at all. Jesus was poor.

So confusing! Either there is no documentary evidence for Jesus so he never existed ... or there is now a long, well-documented paper trail for Jesus and he was filthy rich?!

Is this like how our modern presidents can simultaneously be both dumber than dirt AND evil geniuses at the same time?

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Entreri06
"Massive paper trail"?
Do you realise how little "paper" survives relating to anything in that era?

Yea I wasn't sure if he was full of it or not...

That said the Romans kept really good records. If I'm right quite a bit of BS inventory and order sheets have survived.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Entreri06

1. Do as you would be done by (love thy neighbour as thyself)

2. Love God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind

He taught men to seek knowledge always so whether man or myth - heeding the message of practicing unconditional love and seeking the meaning of life (the God concept), imo, was the treasure he left for each of us.

there a lot of more important treasures that were left behind because of his religion
He contributed nothing new or revolutionary in humanity... He just copied others

"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." – Thales[18] (c. 624 BC – c. 546 BC)

"What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either. " – Sextus the Pythagorean.

"It is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly (agreeing 'neither to harm nor be harmed'), and it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life." – Epicurus

The Golden Rule also existed among all the major philosophical schools of Ancient China: Mohism, Taoism, and Confucianism from which Jesus got most of his ideas!

a reply to: Dr1Akula

He contributed nothing new or revolutionary in humanity...

Yep, it had all been said before.

(PERFECT post! Thanks for that.

@reaaders: What he said ^^^^^^^^^

Read it. Research. Get knowledge.)


Namaste

If God could not keep his word to preserve his words to all generations (PS 12:6 0nward in a Bible in our language today) then He is not a God anyone shoudl follow.

Joseph of Aramethea is not Jesus Step-dad.

So who is right the man on coast to coast or God?

The Bible tells us he would be buried with the rich.

a reply to: Entreri06

I'm not sure if this is the same story but I read a pretty compelling outline of Jesus being wealthy a while back. From memory Joseph of Arimathea is Mary, Jesus' mother's brother, so Jesus' uncle. Mary Magdalene is Arimathea's wife and Nicodemus is her father. Nicodemus and Arimathea were very wealthy men having tin mines in Brittain. They were very well positioned in the Roman machine as they supplied a large portion of metals to the Roman empire. They also both held positions on the Sanhedrin precisely because of their power.

After Joseph, Jesus' father dies, Mary Magdalene and Arimathea adopt Jesus as their son. The incident of the woman caught in adultry is often said to be Magdalene. Arimathea was her husband who would leave for long times to tend to business in Britain, so she got lonely. Anyway the only person who could commit her to death was the womans husband or Son. And so he was called to bring judgement on his adopted mother, who he pardoned. Her father was also away at the time since he was business partners with Arimathea.

One piece of evidence for this was when Nicodemus speaks with Jesus at night. How would the two be able to meet unless they were in the same house.

That ends the portion I can remember from what I believe to be the story the OP is referring to. What I've studied on my own starts here.

Mary Magdalene is often thought to be a regular nobody, but that is definitely not the case. She has an estate in Bethany in which she is the head of the household. Her name means tower. And she is the tower of the tribe of Benjamin, Benjamin was the tribe the temple was located in, and her husband owned a piece of property right near Calvary which was in Benjamin. Benjamin was responsible for coronating the king, and at this time there was no king. There hadn't been one since the 1st temple. The scene where Magdalene annoints Jesus with the perfume is not just perfume, but is the anointing oil.

They were actually Essenes as someone said, they were Northern Essenes (Galilee) and the word Nazarene is likely Nasari, meaning anointed ones. The scene of the anointing Jesus by Mary was the coronation of the priest king in the order of Melchizedek, the 1st temple kingship.

That kingship was covered over by the Deuteronomist purge that happened prior to, and coincidentally with the Babylonian exile. The primacy of the Levites and the Law was created. There are many clues that the Levite's were not the original priests, and that the exodus didn't happen quite as the Levites (and their hero Moses) would have us believe. Jesus and his group were first temple priests, essenes, who gave up all, to stand up against the empire. Joseph Arimathea and Nicodemus were allegedly set out to sea with Magdalene who all ended up in France to die, but ended up starting the Culdee church.

The old way (first temple worship) had a feminine portion to the Godhead, and was represented by the Mennorah in the temple. But she was thrown out by the Deuternomists who wanted to cover up the dirty past that the Israelites were "idolaters" by their new post exile standards. They had replaced wisdom (divine feminine) with the law, the book. Thats why Jesus always says "your law" or "Moses' Law". He never calls it Gods law or His law. The entire Jewish cult at the time of Jesus was a plant of the empire. And his standing up as King was directly in the face of this false system of the beast.

The thread in my Signature Line gives evidence toward this. Also the thread the Cult of the Bronze Serpent. When Jesus compares himself to the bronze serpent, he is hearkening back to pre-exile Jerusalem cult with the Neshustan which is a divine feminine symbol associated with Ashera the mother. This serpent is also the same as that of Asclepius which is where we get our symbol for healing, the staff with the snake wound around it. The essenes are associated with Eshmun,/Asclepius and were very likely a cult of Asclepians, healers. The Culdee's are the same. The old religion of Father, Mother, Son was one religion throughout the world. Until the empire abolished the divine feminine.

Short on time so excuse the rant like post.

a reply to: Entreri06

It was on the TRUE historical Jesus, thru the financial records of his family. According to the guest Joseph of airemathea (Jesus dad, adopted father?!?) from the line of David was a wold famous architect or a city planner and nobility. So much so that so that he was actually the 3rd richest guy in judea. So there is a massive paper trail from local sources at the time!!!

Joseph of Arimathea was the uncle of both Mary and her son Jesus and was a tin merchant from England to Judea and Rome. He was one of the most powerful and wealthy men in the Empire of Rome and a close associate of Pilate. After the death of his nephew Jesus was when he used his wealth and influence to depose of both the house of Ciaphus and Pilate.

Joseph of Arimathea left his wealth and influence and settled in Glostonbury England where he started a Christian missionary movement. He lived out his life and died in Glostonbury. Today his grave is marked in the Chapel of Joseph in Glostonbury.

a reply to: Entreri06

I imagine carpenters got paid pretty well 2000 years ago

Joh 12:5 "Why wasn't this perfume sold for three hundred silver coins and the money given to the poor?"
Joh 12:6 He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief. He carried the money bag and would help himself from it.

Judas kept the money bag for the group, he wasn't Jesus' personal treasurer. If anything, they lived like a commune.

Mar 6:35 When it was getting late, his disciples came to him and said, "It is already very late, and this is a lonely place.
Mar 6:36 Send the people away, and let them go to the nearby farms and villages in order to buy themselves something to eat."
Mar 6:37 "You yourselves give them something to eat," Jesus answered. They asked, "Do you want us to go and spend two hundred silver coins on bread in order to feed them?"

Act 4:32 The group of believers was one in mind and heart. None of them said that any of their belongings were their own, but they all shared with one another everything they had.


Jesus was filthy rich and the step son of Joseph of Arimathea - Oh the crap we have to hear.