U.N. Rapists

Ok so we have American troops putting hoods over terrorists heads and making fun of them. It's the Abu Ghraib "scandal". Now we have the U.N. "peacekeeping"troops, kidnapping and raping women, and making sex tapes in the Congo. Were is the outrage? Where are the front page reports by the New York Times?

www.timesonline.co.uk...

[edit on 23-12-2004 by Carseller4]

I think this should be brought to the front lines. It's inacceptable behavior. However, as much as I don't believe that the entire U.S. Army should bear the shame for what happened at Abu Ghraib, I don't believe that the UN peacekeepers as a whole should bear the responsibility for what happened in Congo.

What country where they from? Thats one thing i want to know.

Originally posted by Carseller4
Where are the front page reports by the New York Times?

You ask why this isn't front page on the New York Times, whose problem is that? Why did you have to go to a foreign news source to find this out?

Also you cite the Abu Ghraib scandal compared to these heinous acts by UN peacekeepers. You should probably also mention the US soldier who murdered a young Iraqi soldier after having sex with him. Or the US soldier sentenced to 3 years for murdering and teenage Iraqi civilian. This is off the top of my head, there could be more.

Devilwasp, I'm only going by memory but I believe there is a significant number of Belgian troops in the Congo as UN peacekeepers. I don't want to say they are responsible though.

Originally posted by cargo

Originally posted by Carseller4
Where are the front page reports by the New York Times?

You ask why this isn't front page on the New York Times, whose problem is that? Why did you have to go to a foreign news source to find this out?

Also you cite the Abu Ghraib scandal compared to these heinous acts by UN peacekeepers. You should probably also mention the US soldier who murdered a young Iraqi soldier after having sex with him. Or the US soldier sentenced to 3 years for murdering and teenage Iraqi civilian. This is off the top of my head, there could be more.

Devilwasp, I'm only going by memory but I believe there is a significant number of Belgian troops in the Congo as UN peacekeepers. I don't want to say they are responsible though.

I knew this would not go over well with the "Blame America 1st" crowd.

You want to compare isolated incidents with carefully planned rape, and pornography, involving hundreds?

You are just trying to demonize the whole UN with this, because you hate it rabidly. And instead of having any prior knowledge of the content of my posts at ATS, you try to lump me into a crowd with your tired generalisations because all you have is an us against them mentality. No middle ground. No ability to look at yourself critically.

These rapists should be shot. All rapists deserve death. There are fu**wits in all militaries around the world. Every single one.

None of this is new
Been going on for a long time
And is not limited to European peacekeepers

Instead of labelling people as the "Blame America 1st" crowd with no evidence to back it up, perhaps you could join the world in looking at itself critically, including America. Deconstruct the propaganda in your head telling you that America can do no wrong, realising that none of us are perfect, and start discussing these issues constructively rather than pointing fingers.

I'm going to offer constructive discussion to your own topic because you have failed to do so. Soldiers of the world should not be used as peacekeeping police. Soldiers should be used to kill the enemy. You need a force to keep the peace? Send in a paramilitarised police force with the right civil training. The UN peacekeeping concept needs an overhaul.

Originally posted by cargo
You are just trying to demonize the whole UN with this, because you hate it rabidly. And instead of having any prior knowledge of the content of my posts at ATS, you try to lump me into a crowd with your tired generalisations because all you have is an us against them mentality. No middle ground. No ability to look at yourself critically.

These rapists should be shot. All rapists deserve death. There are fu**wits in all militaries around the world. Every single one.

None of this is new

Been going on for a long time
And is not limited to European peacekeepers

Instead of labelling people as the "Blame America 1st" crowd with no evidence to back it up, perhaps you could join the world in looking at itself critically, including America. Deconstruct the propaganda in your head telling you that America can do no wrong, realising that none of us are perfect, and start discussing these issues constructively rather than pointing fingers.

I'm going to offer constructive discussion to your own topic because you have failed to do so. Soldiers of the world should not be used as peacekeeping police. Soldiers should be used to kill the enemy. You need a force to keep the peace? Send in a paramilitarised police force with the right civil training. The UN peacekeeping concept needs an overhaul.

Well I pointed out UN attrocities, and you pointed out American attrocities. So what I saw you do was defend bad behavior by pointing out more bad behavior. Instead of condeming the UN, you brought America into it and blamed them 1st.

The point of the post is where is the outrage? The New York Times had day after day of front page headlines about Abu Ghraib, yet I have not heard anything about the UN's attrocities.

You bring up a good point about "peacekeepers". But that is changing the discussion. The discussion should be about the biased media not reporting the UN scandals as hard as the so-called US scandals.

The difference being that I doubt the UN mandated any sort of sexual exploitation, it seems to be the actions of one man. With the Abu Grahib scandal, it was mandated from higher levels, who knows how high though.

I know that the UN had done the same thing in Bosnia. But, the catch was that they were US security forces outsourced by the UN to perform operations in Bosnia. Interestingly, the US hired this same company to perform operations in Iraq.

You think anyone is innocent Carseller? WRONG!

Originally posted by Carseller4
You bring up a good point about "peacekeepers". But that is changing the discussion. The discussion should be about the biased media not reporting the UN scandals as hard as the so-called US scandals.

If that's the case, perhaps this should be in the US Politics forum. Anyway, I don't know what you are really complaining about there. This is on many news sources including US ones.

Type in: UN rape congo

Apparently this was reported in the New York Times on the 18th of December.

[edit on 27-12-2004 by cargo]

This is an excerpt from the tems article:

The UN has now plastered its code of conduct on UN premises in Congo. The code forbids sex with prostitutes or women under the age of 18 � even though the Congolese age of consent is 14.

But the UN continues to hand out free condoms to peacekeepers because of the fear of Aids.

Irony?

Maybe not. Being an all too rampunctious female I find this disgusting and very very scary. How dare someone go into a country of a completely different culture and manipulate its women? There is a giant difference between a prostitute and a girl forced into prostitution, and the only ones being taken advantage of are the latter.I am shocked that the age of consent could be 14, that girls run around this country giving themselves to forgein men for a measly 2 dollars, even less.

I mourn for women.

Onto US media- of course this isn't recieving as much publicity as Abu Grahib, it's not us. This time, it's not our fault. It's not AMERICAN troops in IRAQ displaying these sex crimes. It's foreigners in the Congo. YOu might say "well wouldn't that make US look better?" Not really, seeing as we're desperately calling for these foreigners aid and support.