Russia puts Fear in U.S.A.

At the very end it has , "a salute to all nations but esspecially america.

This is called propaganda, huh?

Not a single military one except about mercenaries in europe thats it the rest was on USA.

What channel were you watching? The History channel shows constant WW2, and even some WW1 battles. German and Russians are on their more than Americans. Most of the specials on America's military are simply on D-day, and then cover pretty much all of the Allies.

Actually the propaganda about the war by bush and the propaganda against the war by kerry and what i saw it was the oposite.

You saw wrong, then.

I challenge anyone to go find a single positive story about Iraq on the major news sites, even Fox News, at this very moment.

Plenty of studies have been done on the media. They've all come back with the same findings. The American media is liberal.

Iran does NOT value its friendship with China more than Russia...wonder where you pulled that one out of!!?!!

Moreover China cannot expand its sphere of influence anymore w/o eating into somebody elses region.
Also you really think that the US could take on an alliance including India Russia and China??...Thats ...hmmm well thats quite interesting...lets play a wargame...your move first...

Russian fighter pilots in korea??!! In Kosovo?? Wow thats like saying pakistani military regulars conducting insurgency oopertions in Indian kashmir!!..Possible be not proven

Documents from both the Soviets and the US prove that Russian pilots were not just present, but played a fairly large for the communist airforces.

As for Iran, China has signed huge oil contracts with Iran. Iran has been looking for a big invester for sometime to improve their oil fields, and a desperate nation like China would be just what they're looking for.

Moreover China cannot expand its sphere of influence anymore w/o eating into somebody elses region.
Also you really think that the US could take on an alliance including India Russia and China??...Thats ...hmmm well thats quite interesting...lets play a wargame...your move first...

It's more then possible. Troop movement is, and remains the key. America can land troops anywhere, faster than anybody. If you can pick the time and place of a fight, you're far more likely to win.

The fact is that Chinese, Russian, and Indian forces are divided. They could deploy only so many of their troops to give help to each other, while America could focus its entire strength on one spot.

And who is building Iran's nuclear energy program??Who supplies militray hardware to the Persian armed forces..? Iran is signing natural gas deals with many countires not only china..infact theres a deal with Idnia too for a pipeline..

YTes but the amount of troops that can be deployed by the US will be limited..also it will not be hazard free movvement as it was until now..You know what this deserves a new thread..

And who is building Iran's nuclear energy program??Who supplies militray hardware to the Persian armed forces..? Iran is signing natural gas deals with many countires not only china..infact theres a deal with Idnia too for a pipeline..

China is starting to sell hardware to Iran, and as time goes on, they'll be a superior military force then Russia. Every year China catches up to Russia a little more in capability. If the EU (hardly even a matter of if at this point) lifts the weapons embargo, Russia's dominance will be as good as gone. The competition will force Russia to give away its few remaining weapons programs at cheaper costs, and with China's growing economy, they'll have the ability to reproduce, and surpass those weapons.

India is almost a non-factor. While a rising nation, they don't really compare to China by any means.

Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Oh My!! what's this www.vialls.com...

Oh, and follow up on this issue. The page that the link goes to seems to hang on the point that contracters painted the deck in Australia and why would they do this rather than do the painting themselves? And why spend time in port doing this?

The person that wrote the page has no clue.

They never, repeat NEVER paint while underway. The waves can splash up over the deck and the salt spray in the air is the reason that never happens.

Also, why contractors? Well, they use a non-skid paint and when removing that stuff they would definately go with an outside contractor, especially when doing the whole deck. The crew tends to only do areas of the deck at a time, but never the whole thing.

Standard procedure.

I cant believe you guys are still replying to this thread. There is a word for it... umm... ohh... TROLL! YEAH, Thats it! Man we could be discussing the newest gill theory on the greys, or how many deathstars Russia secretly has. I would even rather reply to a thread about BigFoot! But this? THIS?! Will no moderator have mercy for the remaining life of this thread and just put it out of its misery? Please?...............please?..............please?..............please?

Same lies "China is catching up to Russia" haha now Disturbed wants you to beleive that Russia needs India and China to fight U.S.A. now Disturbed wants you to beleive the combined powers of Rus and some other nations he name is couldn't compare tp U.S. you really beleive what propaganda U.S. Gov says don't you, 1. Why is it Rus has 988,100 active duty troops and 20 Million reservists while U.S. has 600,000 active duty troops and 200thousand Reservists 150thousand of which are basicaly "Boged Down" in Iraq hahahaahahah this shows U.S. is more powerful on the ground forces tip hu? answer this?= because it's all p-r-o-p-a-g-a-n-d-a-!!! If U.S. was so powerful they would not be FORCING "Reservist" of all people reservist to a "SECOND" tour of duty in Iraq when a nation Forces not asks forces RESERVIST and not active duty troops that telles you they aint the best like Disturbed Guy here wants you to beleive hhahaahahaha here read the new article and learn something www.vialls.com...

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But Iraq isn't a good example for US military might, one thats not a full out war like one would be with russia, two the war is much different the a war would be with like russia. the Iraqis are fighting with guerilla tactics and with miltia, not the military of a true government. And numbers dont matter alt any more, now that we're not just lining up and firing.

This is just more anti-american c**p. And with this whole Russia-China-India-Brazil alliance, are any of those nations in the financial and/or military situation to wage a war against America and its allies.

These are old articles from Mr.Vialls and to your staement "SMOKEY THE BEAR"= The U.S. IS FIGHTING A legitimate Army part1. www.vialls.com... part2. www.vialls.com... part3. www.joevialls.co.uk... and for those who don't beleive COmmunisim was a jewish revolution heres your own Gov saying it www.thatcherthunders.org...

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The idea of communism government is nessicarily bad it is just easily turned into something horrible by communistic governments.

Go back to my previous post and read the links I HAVE ANSWERD YOU ON THE U.S. not fighting a real Army you'll find them more relyable than U The brainwashing you get from ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX/CNN/MSNBC/CNBC

Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
This is called propaganda, huh?

Take it you dont understand propaganda huh?

What channel were you watching? The History channel shows constant WW2, and even some WW1 battles. German and Russians are on their more than Americans. Most of the specials on America's military are simply on D-day, and then cover pretty much all of the Allies.

History....and infact it only had american sniper show,mercenaries and airsuperiority fighters.
The air superiority fighter program was about F15's and the new F22.

You saw wrong, then.

I saw peopel supporting and poeple against it.

I challenge anyone to go find a single positive story about Iraq on the major news sites, even Fox News, at this very moment.

This was during election, why would they be on now.

Plenty of studies have been done on the media. They've all come back with the same findings. The American media is liberal.

Really, myself i would believe that many sites are of diffrent sides.
These "studies" only do some not all.


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TO Disturbed Diliverer and ANYONE ELSE who might be doubting Here's The words of Your own Founding Fathers of the U.S.A. And other Prominate Figers Part1. www.thatcherthunders.org... Now here your OWN U.S. Officials in 1918 agknowledging bolshivic Revolution was jewish Part2. www.thatcherthunders.org...

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Neither side is progressing far in there attempt to prove there country is best.

Zedd

They never, repeat NEVER paint while underway. The waves can splash up over the deck and the salt spray in the air is the reason that never happens.

You need to recontact your fianc�e- this is untrue.

In the Navy there is no such word as -never-

Scapes, burns, 'blow-offs' of non-skid is repaired immediately (without interrupting flight-ops) and AT SEA. Any American bos'un serving an aircraft carrier or flight deck personnel will admit that bare (as in no non-skid) flight decks are one of the most hazardous places on an aircraft carrier.
But, even if it were true this (the lack of painting by the ship's crew only reinforces Viall)

sidenote: Some of the US Navy's worst disasters since WW II have occurred in or near paint lockers (store rooms). Why would the paint be there if not to be used? Carrier fires
locker fire

The flight deck of the Lincoln is what? 65 feet above water?

Blown overboard CNN reportMichael Harris of Dillsburg, Pa., was standing in a gully directly behind an EA6B Prowler when the pilot fired up the engine.

The force sent the sailor overboard as two other sailors nearby tried to grab him, said Navy Lt. Wendy Snyder. Harris, who was working on the flight deck for the first time, plunged 65 feet into the water.

Background: US Navy contract for 'non-skid'

Vialls continues:

www.vialls.com...
The admiral stiffly explained that his ship had been "near Bali" when ordered to turn back, with one of the major requirements being to "have an Australian contractor paint the flight deck". In fact CVN72 was actually 552 nautical miles WEST of Bali and heading direct for the Persian Gulf at the time, but hey, that's sort of "near Bali" isn't it?
Clearly then, sometime between the USS Abraham Lincoln's departure from Fremantle on December 28, and her return on January 6, painting the flight deck had suddenly become an extremely high tech task that could only be completed by Australians in Australia. This should come as great news to the 5,000+ American crew members of CVN72, who normally paint their own flight deck all the time.
Unfortunately, painting the deck is considered so secret and vital to the "war effort" at this time, that all 5,000+ American crew members are being confined to CVN72, presumably in order to personally supervise half a dozen Australian painters with spray guns!

According to Vialls this was Jan.6, 2003


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Part 2-
Now if Vialls is 'nuts' then the CVN Lincoln either was no where near Fremantle at or near this time of voyage or what?

As we will soon see, Vialls is again correct. It seems his facts check out, i am still ambivalent as to his conclusions.

So let's see-

Global Security siteBy early-to-mid December 2002 the Lincoln had been relieved by the USS Constellation and began transiting back to the United States. On December 18 she was in the Indian Ocean headed for Australia. She arrived in Freemantle on December 22 for a port call where she remained until December 26.

In late December reports from the Navy surfaced indicating that a carrier, either the Lincoln or the Kitty Hawk would be redeployed to the Persian Gulf in light of escalating tensions between Iraq and the US. At that time it was unclear if the Lincoln would remain deployed or if they had been just alerted of the possibility. On December 30 the Lincoln Battle Group was located south of Australia. On December 31, new reports indicated that the Lincoln had indeed been ordered to remain at sea and to redeploy for the Gulf. On January 2, 2003, according to Navy documents, the Lincoln was reported to be Northwest of Australia. On January 3, 2003 the West Australian Newspaper reported that the Lincoln would be returning to Fremantle for an extended stay for repairs and maintenance before it would redeploy for the Persian Gulf.

Hmmm, Vialls seems to be correct one more time.

Strange, isn't it?

Was the cyclone (Zoe) natural or caused?

Viall may be way off base but he spins an interesting story.

Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
India is almost a non-factor. While a rising nation, they don't really compare to China by any means.

Ahh but what has slpped your sight is that India alraedy has military assests in central Asia. An AF base in Tajikistan with a full squadron of MiG29's and lots of infantry there as well. Iran outsources all its students for higher education to India. Palestine and India hve had connections since the 1980s. India sent instructors to Iraq in the 1980s to train Iraqi fighter pilots for the Iran-Iraq war. My father was one of them.Infact Ive been to Iraq in the 80s.The South Asian population in countires like dubai, Baharain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran far exceeds any other foreign ethnic group. Pre 9/11 the Afghan northern alliance was supported and funded by Russia and India. They were given indian Migs too!Infact the Northen allince leader (forget his name) who was assasinated days before 9/11 was actually propped up by Indians and Russians.
What is a non-factor is your limited knowledge of India's middle eastern influence.

disturb is a troll.....
he turned this tread into an america-hate thread and just need people to feed him