China Warns of WW3 Unless US Backs Down

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Didn't you read the little red book?

Did you?
www.marxists.org...

Seems to be about the Chinese Marxist revolution. But didn't we know that? Not much about expansionism in there.

But then, China isn't really that Marxist, is it? Sort of gone over to the capitalistic side. Which can tend to be a bit on the imperialist side of things. You know, taking stuff that isn't yours?

a reply to: khnum

I agree with everything you wrote.


The US either attacks weaklings like Panama and Grenada they know they can quickly route, or have a cowboys and Indians( phony war war) “ lets roll” BS like Vietnam, N Korea, Afghanistan( adversary[ Taliban] controlled by Pakistan) and now ISIS ( controlled by Turkey and Gulf states).

These are ALL phony wars.


N Korea and Vietnam had somewhat of a reason to be a small war with the cold war, but NOT Afghanistan and ISIS, who the US could route in two weeks if it wanted to.


IF the US has a war with China they are right now setting up the “negotiations” that will end it


It may be a pacific short firefight in the mode of the UK Argentina war in the 80’s.


I don’t think they want a WW

But I could be wrong since were dealing with the insane

a reply to: Phage

You aren't aware of the cultural purge that Mao oversaw?

a reply to: cavtrooper7

100 TRILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF CRAP and you cant even manage a bunch of religious rednecks in Toyotas watcha gonna do against 1,400,000,000 people?
yes sir size matters,and no other than in a dojo or a kickboxing ring I have not hurt any other human being and am damn proud of that fact get over it US military personnel are human beings not divine beings.

a reply to: cavtrooper7
Indeed I am.

You aren't aware that the politics and culture of modern China have little to do with the cultural revolution?

a reply to: khnum

No we have just been at war nonstop and in a conventional we fight have already one against any nation who would attempt to engage us.
WE don't DO it becaause we already have enough land and resources so Canada and Mexico still exist.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

That I will agree with in terms of lining up across a country from one side of it to another then going forth knocking everrything in the road to kingdom come i.e a conventional war no one can match you.

a reply to: Phage

I'm aware that, since the cash influx from Hong Kong once the British reliquished control back to China, a great DEAL has changed.
I am also aware they are building a great deal as well for no inhabitants,their bubble can't be that strong and they NEED other peoples fishing areas to feed such a large populace and are using that cash to steal all the tech they can.
Hardliners retain control but they are flirting with the mask of capitalism in order to gain knowledge they can use or and edge over Russia or us.
I know theitr probes int Veitnam got heir asses kicked as wel.
Eastern armies suck in general against an equal western force conventionally.
IDEPENDENT thinking does it every time.

a reply to: cavtrooper7
This is not about fishing.

a reply to: lostbook

This scenario you have highlighted leads to the most logical explanation for the so-called Jade Helm military exercise slated for 2 months coming up pretty soon. Maybe it's already a given, or so close to a given that there needs to be these types of plans enacted. I am not sure how the drafting process of a war works, for all I know it's all already agreed upon and about to unfold like a rolling red carpet...

a reply to: khnum

How many carriers with ~80 war birds does the US have? Advantage USA.

How about the Air Force? Again advantage USA.

However I do not believe the USA can handle many incoming ICBMs, something China is capable of pulling off.

All out War between the US and China would be a very bad thing and likely go nuclear. While these islands maybe the cause of tensions, I think the banking system that China backs is a bigger player in the tensions. After all, a wise man once told me all wars are banker wars.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

They have an edge and in the long run so does India, it's called 1/3 of the worlds population being modernized and they need the resources to do it and we need them to do it...

No 1 is a number. It doesn't actually mean much in regards to power or ability to dominate anything and the US is Obsessed with that Number for no reason down to expecting it's populace to be able to keep superiority economically over a country with nearly five times as many people, in essence saying our lives should be more productive in economics to a degree that one of us produces as much viable work in a lifetime and pays as much taxes as Five Chinese guys... which is absurd, it's a pipe dream. We also in time wont be able to field as many troops, produce as many PHDS etc, etc it's not numerically possible unless we starve them and take their oil.

And doing that is a lot more criminal then China building Islands is, in truth if you build and island and it's yours in theory so are the seas around it, it's "your land"

No one needs this bs, China isn't going to catch up Militarily to a degree where an assault on the mainland of the USA is viable... it would be costly, supply lines would be insane, the nations that are our allies truly in the region are also China's biggest Trade partners Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, USA... China has no death and destruction wants for these nations and one of them is us... so go let them take their Grenada's because i'm not in it for the Phillipine's and Vietnam and damn it my friend no one else is either

Our hemisphere is fine, there is tons of money to be made being friends with China, the people are mainly starting to become really progressive over there and we are being complete jerk offs.

I want to actually go to China in a couple of years with my son post HS, i'm thinking, cute asian women, great food, awesome cities, amazing shopping... not bringing him back in a body bag and truth be told, when one of our cities is as cool as Shanghi again let me know, until then an American vacation is filled with, potential violence in half our inner cities, people who's service sucks, generic clothes to buy and a major bed bug problem in hotels our media is just as much propaganda as theirs, i read it every day it's true and NO our politicians don't respond to us anymore either. At least there I wont get shot downtown and I can ride a bullet train for cheap and people speak English lol unlike a lot of places in our tourist destinations.

You know, when all this crap started in the ME... well I don't care if I have friendly relations as much with nations who will import more machismo and religion especially... But China's cool, it's beautiful, it's polite, the people are smart most of the time they like our movies, share lot more culture with us than people think and now we are going too god damn far, beating them up would make us and the world a poorer place, and I don't like being poor or having poor people around me, that carry germs and suck and never buy drinks on a Friday night but sure as hell take some.

And why poor? because we can't afford these nations, okay... a lot of us are tired shouldering the whole god damned worlds problems and hot spots on our dime, let China have it's semi backwards sphere of influence, that will slow them down just like it did us.

Enough with the cold war crap, China isn't "looking" for war and you can tell because they build trains and sky scrappers and lots of cool expensive stuff and you don't do that in this era if your expecting cruise missile strikes... US in America we don't build crap and it's because they plan on more war and it's a bad investment we are obviously the ones expecting some thermo nuclear gentrification in the future not them. And most of all, not everything everyone does is the invasion of Poland or part of a grand plan for the globe, we think that way because WE are aiming for the globe, they want control of their region and I don't want the economic responsibility of anything much beyond ours a multi-polar world is fine.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: khnum

How many carriers with ~80 war birds does the US have? Advantage USA.

How about the Air Force? Again advantage USA.

However I do not believe the USA can handle many incoming ICBMs, something China is capable of pulling off.

All out War between the US and China would be a very bad thing and likely go nuclear. While these islands maybe the cause of tensions, I think the banking system that China backs is a bigger player in the tensions. After all, a wise man once told me all wars are banker wars.

I don't think they are stupid, everyone knows "the wars we can't win" and don't have the stomach for...

Carriers moving into those waters are vulnerable, against them at least, occupying islands is smart as hell, it takes boots and keeps us off the mainland, they can stir a lot of spots to make us fight in, a lot of nations don't like us.. I detailed it before the plan is obvious, they don't want the US meddling, the Russians don't hell... many nations don't, so keep it low scale force us to send men to the Koreas, to the islands to ukraine to the me to afghanistan

it's a trap, to bog us down piss off the American public, they know they will loose, that's not how they win, they win sinking our ships showing it can be done and luring us to the one place it can be done, cause a draft not them alone but by spreading us thin...

Russias doing it too, making us "put stuff places" not attacking at all posing

It's a game of "if the americans are here they can't be there and there and there and there too... if you add up all the nations that don't like our interference and consider most of them have nukes if they act up in tandem we will be seriously screwed, not doomed, just broke, humiliated... we shouldn't send our ships into multiple "gulf" sort of locations in tandem and that's what will happen.... Black Sea, Sea of Japan, Persian Gulf...

it's so blatant man, you can just see what they are after, it's not WW3 this is a game of kill the Carrier get a few and round 2 we wont be able to risk interventionism for a long time.

a reply to: Phage

It's about expansion into others soverign territory plain and simple.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

I agree.
Nothing to do with the Little Red Book or the Communist Manifesto.

a reply to: criticalhit

Apparently their expansion is FINE with you and WE are the aggressors.
WE aren't dropping hardware in some area and claim it as American territory we have treaties that require servicing and sinking a US carrier in war isa hell of a lot more difficult than we know.

Apparently you missed all of these facts as well as we are already positioning to confront them by ignoring the NEW territorial expansion and patroliling it.
ALSO in case you missed it WE AREN'T threatining THEM we have authorizarion to fly in those areas as well as vistit ports there FROM the former who are quite happy they would be speaking Chinese next year.

a reply to: Phage

Their communist trappings are commanding the country the generals want to fight but the government is getting paid so their passive.

a reply to: cavtrooper7
Give it a rest. It has nothing to do with communism or socialism.

It's imperialism. Just like the Spanish used to do. Just like the British used to do. Just like the US used to do. They're just late to the game.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Phage

It's about expansion into others soverign territory plain and simple.

Who woke up and made it my responsibility?

If it breaks global rules, then let it be handled by the globe, I can count 6 Asian nations that can protest this, particularly the ones involved, Australia, New Zealand, India who could "take a stand" if they give a big enough poo about it and those are China's neighbors not us, beyond that there is the EU as a start.

If those nations don't have the Mustard to sail through alongside us and have some kind of defense I don't see how MY kids should absorb the risk.

Where the F is everyone else if it's such a big deal?

a reply to: criticalhit

Treaties we signed with them as a mutial defense pact comes to mind.
THIS ISN'T MY idea.