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Russia classifies military casualties in peacetime

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posted on May, 28 2015 @ 06:52 AM
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Russia classifies military casualties in peacetime


MOSCOW (AP) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree to make losses of Russian troops in peacetime a secret.

The decree published on the official government web-site and signed by Putin on Wednesday makes it a state secret to divulge information about peacetime losses of Russian troops in "special operations."

The decree comes as evidence of Russian involvement in the conflict in eastern Ukraine is mounting.


Click link for remainder of article..

I think Putin might be moving into panic mode based on his latest decree making it a crime to divulge information about Russian losses in "peacetime". This comes right on the heels of Putin outlawing "undesirable NGO's"


He is not going to be able to maintain the charade he has created much longer.

I see 2 possibilities for Putin -
* - He goes completely mental and starts a war no one is going to win.
* - He gets removed from office by the military for abandoning Russian troops in Ukraine by denying their existence.

Before someone tries to argue about the loyalty of the Russian military towards Putin I would point out that members in Nazi Germany's armed forces, initially supporting Hitler, tried to kill him several times in order to save Germany.
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posted on May, 28 2015 @ 07:35 AM
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With the info we know about NGO's being or having a covert element in popular color revolutions as of late I can see the need for him to deal with that hole in security .When it comes to FOIR ,even the west has been passing laws to blanket information under the cover of security . The TPP is one off the top of my head that both the US and Canada seems to need to hide .We are in a cold war 2.0 type with technology and analysis to figure out just what the other guy might be doing or thinking . As the leader of Russia I think Putin will have the blessings of his people to make those hard decisions . We have too much to bitch about what our own Govt's are doing at home to consider the security measures other countries are taking to protect themselves from the same Govt's we are trying to make transparent to us .imo



posted on May, 28 2015 @ 07:37 AM
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We do the same thing .

How many black ops causalities do we put down as "training accidents" ?

UK certainly does not publish SAS or SBS causalities.
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posted on May, 28 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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good for putin,he is just playing america at their own game,,blackwater ring a bell blackw ater link

id advise america and the eu to back down....putin is not as stupid as they are taking him for.
and a much stronger leader then any western leader the uk the eu or u.s.a have
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posted on May, 28 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

They didn't put the source, so all we have is just a wall of text without any proof. As usual.



He is not going to be able to maintain the charade he has created much longer.

If the west is able to maintain theirs charade for so many decades, I don't see why Putin won't be able to do the same, even tho you keep repeating this line for months now and nothing is changing.
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posted on May, 28 2015 @ 10:07 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

Reuters and AP.

Reuters asked Putins press secretary about it, who had no immediate comment.



Reuters link



posted on May, 28 2015 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Of course however in this case, with his actions in Ukraine, it makes one wonder why he made the change to the older law, which only blocked reporting deaths during times of war.

Personally I think he got caught in a catch 22. Putin continues to deny it and we go back to Russia is at war with Ukraine because they are refusing to release info. By making the change it covers all his bases although I don't think anyone really believes Russian soldiers are dying because of training accidents.

If Russia has lost that many soldiers on training exercises then the people running the exercises should be court martialed for gross incompetence.



posted on May, 28 2015 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I would like to address the part of your statement about the new laws on NGO's. In my mind that move seems to take Putin out of the cold war stage and all the way back to the Iron Curtain stage.


The Russian people are giving up their freedoms hand over fist. While the state owned media's propaganda and lies has Russian citizens looking elsewhere.



posted on May, 28 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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The Russian self implosion,Again.Dumb bastards



posted on May, 28 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
We do the same thing .

How many black ops causalities do we put down as "training accidents" ?

UK certainly does not publish SAS or SBS causalities.


But regular forces are available for all to see - even in wartime, casualty figures weren't hidden. Also, it isn't unheard of for SAS training accidents to publicised. There was one last year (year before maybe) of the one who died trekking in the Welsh mountains - The Health and Safety Executive got to look at that one.

Putin's new decree will make reporting any casualties of Russian forces a crime, not just Special Forces and not even if it is a training accident.



posted on May, 28 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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good for putin,he is just playing america at their own game,,blackwater ring a bell blackw ater link



Yes and the video that is supposed to be Blackwater isn't what your source says it is.


A group of heavily armed men appeared in Donetsk on 3 March 2014. These were dubbed as Russian Spetsnaz operatives invading Ukraine by some, or American Blackwater operatives by others. However, it was revealed that it was actually members of Ukraine's Alpha group escorting Andrey Shishatskiy, the ex-governor of Donetsk after he attacked by a group of pro Russian separatists. Several months later Mariupol was decleared the administrative center of Donetsk oblasts due to unrest and most administrative functions were transferred there[22]


en.wikipedia.org...

And you can see more here...

www.stopfake.org...

Sorry they weren't American mercs from Blackwater, but they were home grown Ukrainians.



posted on May, 28 2015 @ 10:27 PM
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its pretty obvious the usa had forces there,they will deny it as always,things are not always as they seem.
you think the ukraine is worth ww3 no its about the briccs bank



posted on May, 28 2015 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: stuthealien

Why do you guys keep bringing BRICS into this? It has nothing at all to do with it and wont for at least another 25 years and that's assuming BRICS doesn't fall apart thanks to Russia and China pulling their sharks and jets routine on the world stage.


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posted on May, 28 2015 @ 11:40 PM
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The "New Development Bank" (this BRICS bank) only has a start-up capital of $50 Billion, with the possibility of rising to $100B and only has 5 members so far - although Greece would like to join, which in all honesty would bankrupt it before it starts.... Compared to the IMF, which has $755 Billion in funds and has 188 members, it is tiny and insignificant.



posted on May, 29 2015 @ 12:06 AM
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I think it is important to remember that these sorts of things are not suppose to full people outside of Russia. I doubt anybody at this point does not know Russian troops have been fighting and getting killed in Ukraine since the start. Whenever they capture some the troops say they were sent to fight and not even told where they were going and Russia says they are not in the military just some volunteers. This of course is to try and keep a lid on things in Russia. We know some people in Russia, the soldiers mothers organization, are aware of things but, with the crushing of opposition press and internet freedom it is hard to know how many Russians know. The problem for Putin is this not a couple guys killed in a black op. You have bodies piling up in the hundreds. Morale in the Russian military has never been good and only gets worse when they are sent to place like Georgia and Ukraine. That poor morale will at some point spread to the general population. So the problem is only going to get worse because if Putin pulls his troops out the revolt ends. This only going to lead to more clamping down on any sort of free media and internet freedoms. The Russian people have a long history of suffering under poor corrupt leadership. It would be nice to see them get a break from the same routine over and over.



posted on May, 31 2015 @ 05:31 AM
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Hitler err I mean Putin is looking to deny the Russian public the full extend of the causalities his forces have suffered in the Ukraine. By feeding the Russian population propaganda (Goebbles would be proud) he is preparing the population for a war against NATO. What more needs to be said?



posted on Jun, 1 2015 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: xpert11
a reply to: Xcathdra

Hitler err I mean Putin is looking to deny the Russian public the full extend of the causalities his forces have suffered in the Ukraine. By feeding the Russian population propaganda (Goebbles would be proud) he is preparing the population for a war against NATO. What more needs to be said?


LOL yes, how dare those Russians exist so close to NATO bases



posted on Jun, 1 2015 @ 04:30 PM
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Interesting that Putin passed this law right after all of the joint operations with Chinese have been finalized, it looks like they are really gearing up to challenge US hegemony.

What was the name of that NATO general that said if Putin wanted to take Baltic states and Ukraine we could do it in a matter of a few days? It was maybe a week or so ago.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 01:35 AM
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Putin passed the law restricting info from being released during peace time and it came on the heels of the 2 Russian spetsnaz soldiers were captured by Ukraine.



posted on Jun, 2 2015 @ 05:23 AM
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originally posted by: RussianAmericanJew
What was the name of that NATO general that said if Putin wanted to take Baltic states and Ukraine we could do it in a matter of a few days? It was maybe a week or so ago.


That would probably be General Philip Breedlove - although he only stated that Russia was poised and ready for an offensive that could be concluded in 3-5 days for Eastern Ukraine only.

Putin has previously stated that "if he wanted to", he could take Kiev in two weeks, but there is no way on earth any Russian invasion could take the entire Ukraine and the Baltic states (who are actually NATO members so would mean War with NATO) inside of "a few days". They simply lack the manpower to do so - they are already taking heavy casualties for in the battles with the under pressure Ukrainian Army - in one fight, they lost 200+ men in a single day fighting over a train yard.



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