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Rand's objectivism is a philosophy, it is a petty attempt at poisoning the well to call it a religion.
I am having trouble figuring out which tenet of objectivism is, uh, objectionable?
Objectivism is a philosophy created by Russian-American writer Ayn Rand (1905–1982). First expressed in her novels and polemic essays, it was later given more formal structure by her designated intellectual heir, philosopher Leonard Peikoff, who characterizes it as a "closed system" that is not subject to change.
While we're heading upstream on that witchunt, I can only assume our services won't be needed to fish out those tossed over the upstream bridge during our journey?
They'll drown, but that isn't my problem because I'm off to play White Knight against boogeymen that have cost me far less money and time than the folks who have stood around blaming everyone except themselves for their life of shortcomings and disappointments.
originally posted by: masqua
Now, tell me, if I had rolled that Massey Ferguson when I was a pre-teen and wound up quadriplegic, do you think I'd deserve being tossed off that goddamned bridge and into the rapids?
oh - well, NO! BY NO MEANS is it your responsibility, worry, or care to help those drowning people.....
The people you are arguing with are arguing under the assumption that you support using government violence to force people into the behaviors that you believe to be moral (like altruism).
If you value voluntary human interaction over coercion, then there is no argument to be had.
I assure you, if my kids are ever anywhere near this river of yours, their first action will be to determine if there are salmon in said river. Finding none, they'll be on their way.
a reply to: tetra50
What you quoted isn't a judgement of your life's choices and totality of what your spirit has become because of those. Instead, what you quoted justifies doing whatever necessary when finding yourself in any given situation
Yes - suppose you could interpret it that way. I interpret it another way
You told me not to judge. Should I just accept Ms. Rands words and not think about what they mean? Or, If I don't agree with them, should I just keep my mouth shut?
I put to you sincerely, that, perhaps, we all find it necessary to do such, if we've any chance at happiness.
Happiness? What is that? Is it something that only some of us can have? Is it something only certain people can understand? So, true enough - as individuals we all make choices. Our choices are often selfish. Do you think her philosophy was meant to benefit you - or all of us?
Religion is used as an opiate.
Are you a Randian - or a Marxist? :-)
The rest of your post is an interesting mix of philosophies and politics - a lot like Rand. It kinda figures. There's nothing wrong with that - by the way
I'm an atheist tetra - and I have my own issues with religion. Some are the same as Rands - but not all of them
She was a lonely, bitter woman - and a cynic. She saw altruism as a weakness. But, she was sick, abandoned and alone at the end of her life - at the mercy of people who were fortunately a little warmer and fuzzier than she was
I am all about the peeps tetra50 - and that isn't going to change. We need each other - especially because we are selfish
Did I miss something here? Are we or are we not discussing taxes and the redistribution of wealth via them?
I don't recall bringing up "taxes." Don't recall that at all.
If they paid into the system for their lives and are simply looking towards what was promised to them by the system, I have no beef with them
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power” ― Benito Mussolini
You hate government. I get that. The less you give them to run the country, the better for you and screw the rest, right?
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
... particularly with the "Then we will be like all the other nations"
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: crazyewok
Show me any other country that has 18 trillion dollars in DEBT.
Government mandated corporate welfare.
Mostly created by Rand haters.
We are not EVEN CLOSE to being like any other country.