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McDonalds Responds To Minimum Wage Protests (hoax)

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posted on May, 25 2015 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: johnwick

Just about any job that pays well requires a degree of one type or another.


Does a 100k a year plummer need a degree?

Enlisted job in the military pays well, no degree required. You get out after 4 years and come work for me and make 130k a year no degree required, but you need at least a secret clearance and willing to travel.

Does a successful business owner need a degree?

Do the 130,000 techs at Boeing need a degree? Nope...



There used to be construction jobs everywhere.


Ya I get it construction has dropped off, is coming back, but has a ton of pressure from the illegal alien community, get a different skill...




posted on May, 25 2015 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: CranialSponge
In the future there will be no such thing as ditch diggers and burger flippers.

Everyone will be electrical engineers, bioweapons specialists, and computer programmers.

And if you weren't lucky enough to be born with an IQ and/or enough learning ability to fit the program, well tough cookies... you'll be sitting on the sidewalk holding out your tin cup.

We'll be back to being a two-tiered society - the filthy rich haves and starving poor have nots. Buh bye blue collar middle class.


We will most likely get our population under control and that will help. We will get to a point where people might live their whole lives on subsistence, so it is how do we manage that. We will need better models.

Here is a fun list of future jobs, start now and get a leg up on everyone...

Future Jobs



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: Mugly

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Five non-skilled entry level humans wanting $15 an hour, replaced with easy to use machines. Who could have foreseen this coming? A lot of us. McDonalds just saved itself a ton of headaches and a lot of money. That's how a business operates and stays in the black.


yep.
i think it is kind of funny.
these entry level, no skill workers that can not manage to get the cash register right protest and request/demand a higher wage. well, now looks like they are getting no wage.

working the register at mcdonalds does not warrant 15 an hour.
there are people with degrees and in trade positions that do not make that much.



So many people in this thread who are VERY quick to judge


Just a simple question, what do you suggest these people do then? Deal heroin? Or steal maybe? What do you suggest the people with degrees and in trade positions do? Get a job at mcdonalds?


Ahh no wait, the simple answer is always "lower your living standards!"

Will you? Does society enable people to do so? Does it teach people to? Or are we taught to worship and admire the riches and possessing of others from birth?


Hypocrisy at it's finest. You too would try to change your situation, any way you knew, and even if at one point you already had to, times and situations change, be happy and feel lucky that you are in the position you are in, rather than looking down on those that feel they're struggling enough to need to protest.




None of you who look down offer ANY real answers or solutions, all you do is mock. "Of course this is going to happen", no sh*t sherlock, but what do you suggest the MILLIONS of people this will effect in the long run actually do?


All stop spending money and lower your standards? You must be new to how the economy works... Robots don't worship material goods, you know.



So easy to judge, I know, I'm doing it to you right now, but at least I'm going off of more than you did.
edit on 25-5-2015 by HalfLeaf because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: HalfLeaf

Just a simple question, what do you suggest these people do then? Deal heroin? Or steal maybe? What do you suggest the people with degrees and in trade positions do? Get a job at mcdonalds?


How about they better their circumstances, by bettering themselves? Is that so unthinkable? There are literally thousands of programs for those on welfare and/or unemployment, to learn new skills so that they can get decent jobs. I happen to know several people who have utilized them to become Nurses, IT Specialists, Truck Drivers, and Tradesmen.

Believe it or not, there's a hell of a lot of paths to take out there, even in this economy, than selling drugs, stealing, or working at a McDonald's.

You seem to suffer from the opinion that these people have nothing else to offer the world, than criminal enterprises, or menial labor.

While you did admit to being judgmental, I think you missed a particular group of people that you were being judgmental towards.
edit on 5/25/2015 by ProfessorChaos because: typo (added the word 'of')



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: Daedal

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Five non-skilled entry level humans wanting $15 an hour, replaced with easy to use machines. Who could have foreseen this coming? A lot of us. McDonalds just saved itself a ton of headaches and a lot of money. That's how a business operates and stays in the black.


It's not always about money and staying in the black. So, let me ask you a question; McDonald's using prison labor to manufacture it's uniforms amongst other things to stay in the black and reap huge profits, is that okay too?

Source / A lternative source

For instance, Oregon Correction Enterprises makes uniforms for McDonalds, while its Prison Blues jeans are sold around the world.


Prison labor, three strikes and your hired....

In the meantime, workers ask for higher wages while McDonald's insources to prison labor. I think McDonald's needs to get it's priorities right.


At least it's in the same country... That's one positive!



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 03:38 PM
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All the robot needs next, is a clown suit.




edit on 25-5-2015 by seasoul because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
This is rather pathetic thread, with people on their high horses patronising people who lose their jobs due to automation. It's embarrassing seeing you all pat each other on the back instilling your work ethic jargon on others. Your not kidding anyone apart from each other massaging your collective egos


Jobs do become obsolete, not sure your point though. The question is how much can you pay any job before it becomes unprofitable.





You are right on the money take a look at machining.....I am a machinist and 3d printing will eventually replace CNC machines and tooling costs. Tooling is expensive and porosity and casting shifts are huge issues that could be eliminated.


Poor some powder metal into a bin and let a laser build a metal part......Perfect every time and does not need all the inspections and CMM work after........It will happen.


3d printing will never replace casted parts completely.
there will always be quality control, even with printed parts.

there are far too many variables to just say the part can be printed. it is not as easy as just pouring powdered metal and then laser printing it.
there are a lot of properties that go into that.

ductile iron by definition has magnesium in it. depending on the properties they want it can also have nickel, chrome, copper, etc etc.
there will still have to be quality control measures in place to make sure the hardness and ductility are within specs and those are just a couple variables.

there will still be cmm checking patterns and there will always be drag/cope shifts.

there will still be some level of porocity, shrink, etc.

these are all excuses.
there will always be work to be had for people with the drive and dependability to do it.
at least for decades into the future.

cnc machines pay for themselves pretty quickly. tooling is not that expensive when it is on that scale.



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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How long before we have fully automated doctors, nurses, EMTs.. heck even vets and medical techs...

The technology is basically already in place for it.

Never mind robots to maintain and repair other robots.

If cars can now have the built-in logic to drive themselves now, it's a hop, step and jump to the rest of it.

How's that for eliminating jobs?
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posted on May, 25 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: gspat

we are a far cry from all that.
20 years ago we were told that cars were going to be flying and there would be no more need for a mechanic. it would all be dome by robot.
didnt happen.
i just left a job and start at another shop next monday.
can you believe it? me, a human still actually working on a car.
it is unreal

this dealership just invested in all new racks. a new tire machine. a new alignment machine and rack.
more than 100k and all for their human mechanics to use.

there is work out there. some people just dont have the drive to get after it

whatever. ive said what i have to say on this.
tired of these arguments. im gone

i dont know where you live but i just picked a spot. types in arkansas craigslist just to see.
look at all these jobs

general labor
fayar.craigslist.org...

manufacturing
fayar.craigslist.org...

skilled trade
fayar.craigslist.org...

so maybe these people you are so worried about should go out and get some skills. they can start with the first link and in a year move to the second link and a couple years after that hit the 3rd link.

or they can keep crying about losing their burger king job.
does not matter to me
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posted on May, 25 2015 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
The result of making automation for the most simple of tasks cheaper than human labor cost.

That image was obtained from a two-year old slide show. The source is a McDonalds franchise, that was one of five testing out Kiosk ordering systems way back in 2003.

It has nothing to do with a reaction to recent wage protests. The source article is a click-bait hoax from ZeroHedge.
edit on 25-5-2015 by SkepticOverlord because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: Mugly

we're not that far from it...

linky to article at asme.org

With tele-presence a doctor isn't even needed on site, and there are already places working on replacing the doctor...

Linky to Healthcare IT News

So, no, we're not there yet, so we still need places to get all the state-of-the-art equipment for humans to use. But it really is only a matter of time until it simply happens.



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: gspat

www.asme.org...

your link

The system's robotic and computer technologies work together to scale, filter, and translate the surgeon's hand movements into micro-movements that guide the instruments, not unlike the Waldo of science fiction. Seated at a viewing and control console located in or near the operating room, the surgeon uses hand controls to manipulate surgical instruments through tiny incisions. The instruments move like high-precision puppets with each motion of the surgeon's hand, wrist, or finger



the doctor is still there my friend. try again

your other link

www.healthcareitnews.com...

Take a deep breath, Homo sapiens. "Watson isn't intended to replace anyone," Josko Silobrcic, MD, associate partner at IBM Research, told me last year. "But it is a tool.

And at any rate the technology will always require flesh-and-blood "supervision."

there will always be a human element.
the hting is, not all humans want it
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posted on May, 25 2015 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: Mugly

I know, not yet...

People don't really want driverless cars right now either, but they do want cars that will brake for them, change lanes, keep them in a lane, etc. and are willing to pay a premium of thousands of dollars for packages that add the abilities... leading up to a fully driverless car that can take your kids to school, soccer practice etc.

Linky to Washington Post

This generation may not seem to want it, not quite as certain about the next.

Maybe, a few years from now, they'll join the systems up and set up trials for it. I won't say for certain it will not happen.

edit on 25-5-2015 by gspat because: My grammar is terrible sometimes!



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: gspat

those cars will still need to be worked on.
people to build them. people to run quality control. people to sell them. people to fix them.

some will pay premium prices for automobiles with those systems but some wont.

of course there will be people that can and will be replaced by automation over time but that is nothing new and there will still be plenty of work for actual people looking decades into the future.

back in the day when you went to the grocery store you had a cashier and a bagger. the bagger would load your car.
now your cashier bags your stuff anf you load your own car.
its called progress.

there are jobs. people just dont always want them



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: Mugly

Completely agree!

Off to bed for me... No robot to replace me yet, so I have to work.



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: gspat
a reply to: Mugly

Completely agree!

Off to bed for me... No robot to replace me yet, so I have to work.


later man.
have a robot fight to ease you into your slumber




posted on May, 25 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: johnwick

You think they were reassigned to other jobs? Not here. I would like to think that, though.



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: ProfessorChaos

originally posted by: HalfLeaf

Just a simple question, what do you suggest these people do then? Deal heroin? Or steal maybe? What do you suggest the people with degrees and in trade positions do? Get a job at mcdonalds?


How about they better their circumstances, by bettering themselves? Is that so unthinkable? There are literally thousands of programs for those on welfare and/or unemployment, to learn new skills so that they can get decent jobs. I happen to know several people who have utilized them to become Nurses, IT Specialists, Truck Drivers, and Tradesmen.

Believe it or not, there's a hell of a lot of paths to take out there, even in this economy, than selling drugs, stealing, or working at a McDonald's.

You seem to suffer from the opinion that these people have nothing else to offer the world, than criminal enterprises, or menial labor.

While you did admit to being judgmental, I think you missed a particular group of people that you were being judgmental towards.



Sure. This is a rat race, some people have to start at the end of the line, if you fail to understand, that is fine


I know plenty of people who can't cope, who try, who are stuck, and who are wrongly judged by the likes of yourself


I don't feel the need to defend my position any further than I did. Your insinuations mean nothing to me, I will judge those who deserve judgement, unlike you, picking on the weak and the bottomfeeders

My opinion remains the same, good for you that you're in a position where you can afford to lick up and kick down, but not all people are in the same boat, a little respect towards them wouldn't hurt you I'm sure, then again, it's totally your choice if you wish to simply look down on the lesser fortunate



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 08:19 PM
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What on Earth are you talking about? Either you didn't read my replies, or you missed the points of them entirely. I am not in some wonderful position in the world; I live paycheck to paycheck, and I'm barely able to support my family. You know why I'm even barely able to do that? Because of experience in my field, that's why. When, for whatever reason, one opportunity dried up, I went after another.

My dad was of the mind that each job he lost (and he lost a LOT of jobs) was the company's fault, and not his own, when the truth was: he didn't want to work. He'd hold a job for a few months, and then poof! something would just magically happen, and he wouldn't have a job anymore, and he ALWAYS claimed that they expected too much of him, or the boss was an a-hole, or the company was run by (insert ethnic slur here), and they treated him like crap.

We had to rely on the charity of others for food and clothing, as well as welfare for most of my life. I actually grew up thinking food stamps (which came in a checkbook form back then) and real cash were the same thing, but my dad ALWAYS had his cigarettes, and his drugs, ALWAYS. but of course, it was all the big corporation's faults, right?

If you had read what I wrote, you would see that I pointed out that there ARE places these people can go to improve their situations; if they choose not to, then as far as I'm concerned, it is their own fault that they have to rely on a job at McDonald's. It isn't the fault of McDonald's that the people working for them refuse to help themselves, and therefore they shouldn't be forced to cough up more money for a job whose requirements haven't really changed in more than 60 years.

If expecting people to take advantage of opportunities offered to them, or saying that they have the tools offered to them to improve their lives, is somehow "looking down on them", then I guess I'm guilty.



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: ProfessorChaos

sounds like my dad.
i remember being 8-9 years old and having to pour water and even beer on my cereal. i remember he sold our dryer cause we were broke.
he always had ciggs to smoke and hooch to drink though.



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