McDonalds Responds To Minimum Wage Protests (hoax)

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: ketsuko

If the problem is that the economy is broken, then let's fix the economy rather than accept that this is the new normal and just take it in the shorts like peasants and assume that burger flipping is the new family support mechanism.

If I was rich I would love to do an experiment and pick 100 people in poor areas that are in their 30s and have not done anything with their lives in a positive way and teach them a viable skill and ethics, then see how that all works out for them.

You assume they don't have ethics because they are poor?

Because, there are not enough good paying jobs for all the good workers too have one.

What you think magically in the last 20 years all the hard working smart workers just disappeared?

No, their jobs did.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
This is rather pathetic thread, with people on their high horses patronising people who lose their jobs due to automation. It's embarrassing seeing you all pat each other on the back instilling your work ethic jargon on others. Your not kidding anyone apart from each other massaging your collective egos

Jobs do become obsolete, not sure your point though. The question is how much can you pay any job before it becomes unprofitable.

a reply to: johnwick

While I agree with you on the ethics part skills is another story. Wealth does not buy class or ethics. I grew up around the upper class and they have little or no class in many cases. It was mostly people born into the higher class I must say.



Skills on the other hand is a much bigger issue and something schools have flat out failed on.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Won't they also need maintenance? Hmmmm see there ...a new job sector just opened up.

originally posted by: johnwick

You assume they don't have ethics because they are poor?

Because, there are not enough good paying jobs for all the good workers too have one.

What you think magically in the last 20 years all the hard working smart workers just disappeared?

No, their jobs did.

If you read my post you would have read that I would like to pick 100 people in their 30s THAT HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN THEIR LIVES IN A POSITIVE WAY

So yes the 100 I would focus on would not have much ethics... This grope of 100 would not be good workers, never have been good workers, hence for the experiment...

Geez read some before you fly off the handle...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
This is rather pathetic thread, with people on their high horses patronising people who lose their jobs due to automation. It's embarrassing seeing you all pat each other on the back instilling your work ethic jargon on others. Your not kidding anyone apart from each other massaging your collective egos

Jobs do become obsolete, not sure your point though. The question is how much can you pay any job before it becomes unprofitable.

You are right on the money take a look at machining.....I am a machinist and 3d printing will eventually replace CNC machines and tooling costs. Tooling is expensive and porosity and casting shifts are huge issues that could be eliminated.


Poor some powder metal into a bin and let a laser build a metal part......Perfect every time and does not need all the inspections and CMM work after........It will happen.

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: johnwick

While I agree with you on the ethics part skills is another story. Wealth does not buy class or ethics. I grew up around the upper class and they have little or no class in many cases. It was mostly people born into the higher class I must say.

The upper class as you speak of may lack in many parts of ethics but work ethic is most likely not one of them. I say this for those who were not born with a good life no matter how much they fail but more the person who has done well working.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Agreed.
I was at a rural petrol station last year here in the UK and was surprised when a guy came out and operated the old pump for me. Hadn't seen anyone doing that for years, although he was the owner, cost of upgrading to self serve pumps was too much for his business model.

Self serve/scan cashiers at every supermarket near me, they take cash or card and don't engage me in BS 'have a great day' lines.
The labour market evolves, and if people are not prepared to adapt to the change well tough luck I say.

a reply to: intrepid

The self checkout kiosks at the grocery stores take cash. Just like a vending machine. ( a newer one anyway)
It doesn't take any more space than what that already takes from what I can tell from the picture.
On closer look at the pic you're right I don't see a place to dispense change which you would need if it took cash.

I guess I've never understood the logic required for this minimum wage argument. How is it that a job that has never been one which would be expected to support a family, is now expected to do just that?
Jobs such as the one in the OP have traditionally been held by students, retirees, and those that have no marketable skills., which is why they've always been paid so poorly. The fact that the job market has dried up, doesn't change the required skills for jobs like this, so why should the wages change much?

Hell, when I was in school, jobs like this were the ones they warned that you'd end up in, if you didn't apply yourself. ("Do you want to end up flipping burgers for the rest of your life?") Now, these people want their boss to foot the bill for the poor performance of the government's economic policies? How about you protest the people responsible (that would be the government, for those of you that aren't aware)? If anything, places like McDonald's still hire the same kind of people they always have, local people. They're not shipping the work overseas, and bringing it back without penalty. There's not some guy IN India, or a child in China, taking your order and sending it to the restaurant; it's a kid that lives down the street from you, or a retiree trying to supplement their social security.

As usual, the American people have allowed themselves to be distracted into getting angry at the wrong people.

You want more, and better paying jobs in the United States? Do something about your politicians that are allowing companies to ship the labor overseas, and bringing it back without paying heavily for doing so. The companies that exploit the corporate welfare system are doing the same thing that the people who exploit the entitlement system are doing. If it's on a plate in front of you, and you don't have to pay anything for it, you're going to take it. If it's okay for people not paying into the system to do, why is it wrong for a company to do the same?

There obviously needs to be regulations on companies to prevent monopolies, and what essentially amounts to indentured servitude, but they also have to be encouraged (through their wallets) to operate within the U.S., with labor from within the U.S. If your government doesn't wish to make this happen, then it's time to change your government, or at least those who comprise it.

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: johnwick

While I agree with you on the ethics part skills is another story. Wealth does not buy class or ethics. I grew up around the upper class and they have little or no class in many cases. It was mostly people born into the higher class I must say.



Skills on the other hand is a much bigger issue and something schools have flat out failed on.

You got that right.

The problem though, is that the only way to get these skills is to go to college, and hope once you get out, there is work for you.

Other wise you are buried into the debt trap they set for you.

Education should not cost more than a house.

originally posted by: SubTruth
You are right on the money take a look at machining.....I am a machinist and 3d printing will eventually replace CNC machines and tooling costs. Tooling is expensive and porosity and casting shifts are huge issues that could be eliminated.


Poor some powder metal into a bin and let a laser build a metal part......Perfect every time and does not need all the inspections and CMM work after........It will happen.

As I said in a prior post my job in the Air Force for 28 years was being a Flight Engineer and newer airplanes with computers and automation wiped out the need for a FE. I found myself at 48 and the end of my career with a skill that had no job associated with it... The key was I was successful in that job, and in the words of a machinist I had to retool myself, and I'm doing fine today.

originally posted by: johnwick

The problem though, is that the only way to get these skills is to go to college, and hope once you get out, there is work for you.

Please explain to me what skill do you learn in college? College is a block filler on the employment questionnaire.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: johnwick

You assume they don't have ethics because they are poor?

Because, there are not enough good paying jobs for all the good workers too have one.

What you think magically in the last 20 years all the hard working smart workers just disappeared?

No, their jobs did.

If you read my post you would have read that I would like to pick 100 people in their 30s THAT HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN THEIR LIVES IN A POSITIVE WAY

So yes the 100 I would focus on would not have much ethics... This grope of 100 would not be good workers, never have been good workers, hence for the experiment...

Geez read some before you fly off the handle...

So you would take 100 losers, who would obviously fail most likely.

So you can argue poor people are lazy idiots?

Why not take the best poor people and help them up a notch or 2 in life?

Btw you said you wanted to teach them "a skill and ethics".

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
You want more, and better paying jobs in the United States? Do something about your politicians that are allowing companies to ship the labor overseas, and bringing it back without paying heavily for doing so. The companies that exploit the corporate welfare system are doing the same thing that the people who exploit the entitlement system are doing. If it's on a plate in front of you, and you don't have to pay anything for it, you're going to take it. If it's okay for people not paying into the system to do, why is it wrong for a company to do the same?

People always ask why blame it on the Government when the corporations are the ones sending jobs overseas etc. What people need to understand is corporations are somewhat of a mindless entity. They will follow the course of most profit, period. If the most profit was to have jobs here at home then all those jobs would come home, if the most profit was to not hire illegal aliens then every job in America would have an american in it.

That is where the Government comes in. The Government could make it less profitable to send jobs overseas, the Government could make it very costly to use illegal aliens etc, but the Government doesn't.

It just amazes me in states with high unemployment and even higher under employment the same asses keep getting voted back into office again and again. In a way I want to just say screw it, that is how the people voted.

In the future there will be no such thing as ditch diggers and burger flippers.

Everyone will be electrical engineers, bioweapons specialists, and computer programmers.

And if you weren't lucky enough to be born with an IQ and/or enough learning ability to fit the program, well tough cookies... you'll be sitting on the sidewalk holding out your tin cup.

We'll be back to being a two-tiered society - the filthy rich haves and starving poor have nots. Buh bye blue collar middle class.

So you folks go right ahead and enjoy your little self-righteous circle jerk with each other while you can... in 20 or so years, most of you won't be able to keep a roof over your heads due to a lack of middle class jobs because the undereducated will be fighting over what's left on the lower rungs of the ladder.

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
I guess I've never understood the logic required to expect a job that has never been one which would be expected to support a family, is now expected to do just that.
Jobs such as the one in the OP have traditionally been held by students, retirees, and those that have no marketable skills., which is why they've always been paid so poorly. The fact that the job market has dried up, doesn't change the required skills for jobs like this, so why should the wages change much?

Hell, when I was in school, jobs like this were the ones they warned that you'd end up in, if you didn't apply yourself. ("Do you want to end up flipping burgers for the rest of your life?") Now, these people want their boss to foot the bill for the poor performance of the government's economic policies? How about you protest the people responsible (that would be the government, for those of you that aren't aware)? If anything, places like McDonald's still hire the same kind of people they always have, local people. They're not shipping the work overseas, and bringing it back without penalty. There's not some guy IN India, or a child in China, taking your order and sending it to the restaurant; it's a kid that lives down the street from you, or a retiree trying to supplement their social security.

As usual, the American people have allowed themselves to be distracted into getting angry at the wrong people.

You want more, and better paying jobs in the United States? Do something about your politicians that are allowing companies to ship the labor overseas, and bringing it back without paying heavily for doing so. The companies that exploit the corporate welfare system are doing the same thing that the people who exploit the entitlement system are doing. If it's on a plate in front of you, and you don't have to pay anything for it, you're going to take it. If it's okay for people not paying into the system to do, why is it wrong for a company to do the same?

There obviously needs to be regulations on companies to prevent monopolies, and what essentially amounts to indentured servitude, but they also have to be encouraged (through their wallets) to operate within the U.S., with labor from within the U.S. If your government doesn't wish to make this happen, then it's time to change your government, or at least those who comprise it.

Great post overall.

There are already antitrust laws.

They used them to break up bell telephone, and IBM but none of the "too big to fail" banks.....I wonder why....

Because they own the politicians.

Therefore they own us, as long as we let it go on.

Think it is bad right now?

Wait until they ram TPP through.

People will look on these as the good old days.

Any job that can be done overseas will be.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: johnwick

The problem though, is that the only way to get these skills is to go to college, and hope once you get out, there is work for you.

Please explain to me what skill do you learn in college? College is a block filler on the employment questionnaire.

Just about any job that pays well requires a degree of one type or another.

There used to be construction jobs everywhere.

Now it is hard to find one that pays very well.

What good jobs can one get without degree?

They are few and far between.

originally posted by: johnwick

So you would take 100 losers, who would obviously fail most likely.

So you can argue poor people are lazy idiots?

The problem is when you go to these areas of poor employment how many people there fit this model? I think we have a huge issue on our hands of a rather large percentage of Americans that do fit this and the only way to get people from living a full life of subsistence as the idly waste their lives is to change that. I'm not worried about the hard working poor, they will make it and work hard not to become like this. I'm worried about the ever growing masses that are like this. If we could change 100 then we can change 1000 and then 10,000 and so on...

When I look at Ferguson riots a very small percentage out there were legitimate protesters. The vast majority were out there to watch the circus and had all the freedom to do it because they didn't have a job to go to the next day and that is all ok with them.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Five non-skilled entry level humans wanting $15 an hour, replaced with easy to use machines. Who could have foreseen this coming? A lot of us. McDonalds just saved itself a ton of headaches and a lot of money. That's how a business operates and stays in the black.

It's not always about money and staying in the black. So, let me ask you a question; McDonald's using prison labor to manufacture it's uniforms amongst other things to stay in the black and reap huge profits, is that okay too?

Source / A lternative source

For instance, Oregon Correction Enterprises makes uniforms for McDonalds, while its Prison Blues jeans are sold around the world.

Prison labor, three strikes and your hired....

In the meantime, workers ask for higher wages while McDonald's insources to prison labor. I think McDonald's needs to get it's priorities right.