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From UFOs, to the basis of reality, "God" and back

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posted on May, 25 2015 @ 12:52 AM
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Even aliens are getting visited by UFOs......

Now that we have that in mind, I'll try to share a bit of a complex thought that I just had. And it relates to UFOs, but aliens... not necessarily in their usual role. So MODS, as this is a long post, don't move it to another board, since I will get into the UFO side of it later on, the beginning might sound a bit strange. It is just a theory, but I find it fairly interesting, entertaining to ponder upon, and strikingly logical. I'd like to hear feedback from the members on the UFO board, as well as see/read any material you might put on the table that might be of any reference to my theory and its connection with UFOs.

Lets get to the point - I have a problem with size, distance, speed and what-not, when it comes to alien visitation. So I was sitting and thinking about the size of the Universe, something that we can't grasp even with the best of luck and persistence. OK, now we all know that ants don't register our existence at all. Probably that applies to us on a larger scale. But don't go to the extent of putting words in my mouth - I'm not talking about the bearded fellow that most people believe in, one way or another. You gotta keep an open, yet logical mind to get the idea.

Also, it's important to note that we are very limited within our knowledge and understanding of the Universe. But lets speculate a bit using logic and common sense. (wait for it, there will be UFOs, too).

First, I think that we're not looking at the situation in the proper way. I like to look at the Universe as a big computer, that's just undergoing the biggest calculation/algorythm ever. What happens in the Universe? Movement. We perceive time as a side-effect from the movement of all things in the Universe. On one hand, it seems chaotic, but lets make a comparison. If you're a programmer, 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100011 01100001 01101110 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001. If you're not, you have no idea what the above reads, and in case you haven't watched The Matrix or are living in a cave and haven't heard of binary, you wouldn't even know it might mean something. So... we are currently young programmers, learning and poking the algorythms that dictate how things work and what they're made of. We got Pi, Fi, Newton's laws, and so forth. Obviously, chaos is dictated by a strict algorythm (which makes me tend to believe there might by a so-called digital god, or however you'd like to envision it). In the end, this all might be an experiment of "what would happen if" and boom. We got reality, life, death, the Universe, perception, and all that..

If the Universe (which IS information) is actually a huge equation that's still calculating and will probably continue doing so to infinity unless the CPU or GPU burn out (teehee), it's logical that there should be a programmer setting these rules /constants/ of the program, a logical consciousness to create these patterns by which all is made. Now, I'm about to step on a few toes now, sorry.. Disregard the idea of a bearded guy who's sitting on a cloud and listening and responding to your egocentric wishes and human desires. Disregard the vision of an enormously infinite nerd with glasses making his graduation thesys project called the Universe, too, cause that's stupid, although a bit funny. Stop thinking humanly, quiet down the ego for a bit and get over the fact you can't grasp what/how/why etc it is.

Now, onto business. UFOs. Some say they're aliens, others say they might be time-travellers, multi-dimentional something, that we don't and won't be able to fully understand. Let me get this clear, I'm talking about UFOs that are not misidentifications, black projects, or weather phenomenon. The really really weird stuff. Solid sightings with strange characteristics beyond-physics and understanding.

As I said, I have a practical problem with aliens visitting Earth, because of the sheer size of the Universe. I'm sure there is life out there, but believe me, if life somewhere evolves to a point that it would be able to travel the stars, you wouldn't know it's here and there's a long list of logical arguements behind that statement. Still, I'm not taking aliens off the table, but it just doesn't sound very right to me.

But what is this thing that isn't locked to physics/the algorythms by which the Universal equation is running?

Why wouldnt it be the programmer?

If I created an AI world, I would most certainly like to have the ability to interact with it, without the limitations of the algorythms that the world itself was built upon. Without the limitations of so called space, and so called time. Also, since we're talking about HUUUGE distances in the Universe, who would be able to overcome these same limitations and have a point of being specifically here? Well, no one would come to Earth alone out of the whole enormous Universe, if they had that opportunity to get out of the limitations box of space/time, they would be everywhere. And who can be everywhere and at all times, and on top of it, have the motive to be there? Again, the programmer.

Some will ask - what about cattle mutilation, crop circles, flying saucers, black triangles, greys, pleadeans, what about Hessadalen? Like it or not, government experiment (G.E., for short), art by people, G.E., G.E., G.E. along with self-delusion, pop-culture, weather phenomenon. In that same order.

So now that I've put it out there, aliens are probably visited by UFOs too, and are just as miserable as us, for not knowing what these are. And also, we're not gonna meet these aliens as they really are too far away.

But hey, the programmer's here, so lets have some fun and interact!

p.s. All of the above is just a theory, it's all arguable and I do keep an open mind to most other theories as well, but you gotta admit, it does sound a bit more logical than aliens, so I welcome any discussion or ripping apart of the theory, or if you know of any reference material if there was another loony out there who have thought of something similar, that would be swell.
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posted on May, 25 2015 @ 01:48 AM
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I've seen a few UFO's.
A couple of them at close range.
They were nothing like anything I could have expected.
I think I have some idea of how an amoeba must feel when it is put on a microscope slide.



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 02:01 AM
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a reply to: ch1n1t0

Aliens no, the other two are plausible



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 04:17 AM
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Cool theory. But why would the programmer need to be visible at all?



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 04:55 AM
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To summarise, you're saying the universe is something like a simulation and that UFOs are avatars for the programmers to interface with it.

Could be; who knows? When you describe it as a running programme with some form of end-game, it makes me think of turtles all the way down. It's one of those concepts where we have to ask if the programmers are programmes. Where does reality begin?

The SRI guys who allegedly used remote viewing characterised the universe as a topographical space of information with all locations being defined by coordinates. They held the idea that consciousness was able to interact with locations across time and space in the moment - implying that time and space is illusory. That may be something like the concept in your OP.

Some physicists have speculated that our universe is holographic and that we exist on a two-dimensional flat plane. If entities/beings/intelligences were able to visit us from their multi-dimensional universe our senses would struggle to perceive them and their characteristics would appear exotic to us. I'm reminded of Sagan's comments on 'Flatlanders.'

Quite a few witnesses/claimants over the years have described their UFOs as shooting off through trees. It's reports like that which make some researchers ask themselves if UFOs are from other dimensions. Such reports would fit in with your ideas about programmer's avatars interjecting with what we think is reality.



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 05:46 AM
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But what if you and I are the "avatar" of the programmer also? Why just the aliens? We are alllllll one. Droplets in the ocean. But more than separate from the programmer ,part of the programmer. The illusion is separation.



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 07:37 AM
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Note, I don't believe them to be in plural, necessarily, I think that evolution (in all senses) leads to something collective, but I don't mean that in the New Age kind of sense. Think Transcendence but on a hardly imaginable larger scale. Smaller example, would be ants. If you look outside of the box it's obvious and again, makes total logical sense.

The thing is, that we're at a point that we might grasp the technology to create these (see advances in AI) in the next few decades, and then the question will be - how does the little "Sim" perceive the world around him? And would we be within its reach? Also, a point to be taken - I feel that AI might be the next logical step in evolution, or the extension to what the human kind has already achieved in the Cosmic so to say. Think neanderthals versus homosapiens version 2.

When there's no water to drink who will survive, a tin can that needs no water and no air, no sunlight, radiation, poisoning, tearable limbs, or you and me? Especially if it's digital and it's interconnected, like our Internet is. Seems like we're all using Skynet and come to think of it, this ain't a very bright future we're looking at... For us, at least.

But to be honest, I take Johnny Depp's side on this one, simply cause it makes sense to me.
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posted on May, 25 2015 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: ch1n1t0

But what if you and I are the "avatar" of the programmer also? Why just the aliens? We are alllllll one. Droplets in the ocean. But more than separate from the programmer ,part of the programmer. The illusion is separation.


We are about to become, by creating AI, for sure. We, as a species and a living part of reality, don't know a dime from a nickel, when it comes to our own consciousness. It probably comes from the fact the Ego of the self, the living whole, the one persona behind the body is something identified as a single consciousness. It's the whole of the body creating the sense of reality and being, a complex mechanism of cells which you completely wear off and exchange with new ones every 7 years, and on top of that, the cells in your body are less in number than the foreign bodies and organisms that help you actually digest, filter infections and bacteria, and so on.

To state that we are all one, for sure, is a bold statement. I don't see much of a reason why not, but I tend to lean on to the opposite side of the arguement. In the end, lets be realistic. We have the common grounds as humans as traits and characteristics, there are variations even there, but there are things that when all put together make us human. Then you have a repeated variation. Until you get to the next layer of the onion, the unique person. In the end, each person has experienced/calculated a specific set of information through his lifespan as a part of the big processor. But yeah, we're intertwined with everything, and each other, through the action-reaction laws.




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posted on May, 25 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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Juergen Schmidhuber , a German born computer specialist , has theorized the Universe could run on as few as 10 lines of code.



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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No. The part about the universe as data, I get that. We log onto it with our intellect and join in multiplayer platforms.
There are infinite channels, and in infinity, size/sequencing, time, are all perception, because you can't take a measurement at all. I agree there are programmers, in fact all things contain a teleos purpose, seed grows to tree and so forth, so infinite progression.

However, Ets do exist on levels within the universe, the duality dimensions. I tend to see the non duality "higher" levels as beyond these levels of universes (infinity never does one thing, its infinite 1's, and infinite variety of 1's, then 2's, and 3's, and then onto infinite things that are not numbers even). One could apply the Drake's Formula, and think in an evolutionary way, in which case those who are kazillions of years ahead would be in control of every bit of real estate, terraforming interiors of asteroids even where necessary. And there would probably be sides, those in density and gravity and nazi hellish realms and those in positive wonderful realms, but they can't just walk in to gravity, hence those on higher levels within the plains or adjacent would be able to come in to assist.

But ascension/evolution is only one prinicple, and mostly consciousness would exist infinitely as itself, so in a sense, we don't just grow up from lower levels as creations of the dark side, but rather, we fall while participating.

Now as to the ETs around here, that are real, exist, and are different than our Higher Self, or Future Self, or Fuller Self, more of our infinite spirit/soul.

Because they're players, in the computerized reality. Some of them are really bad and formed empires in the past and enslaved whole sectors. There are dark stars and heavy gravity realms, and one could say, they are failed stars. When beings are going to Higher Levels they learn Love and Peace. Those who were in predator suits overall tend to value, Dog Eat Dog and Survival of the Fittest principals so their pride would not allow them to progress, and they're enslaving whole systems, to halt their progression and use humans and other souls like batteries, and to wipe their memories.

We seem to have a lot of the predators around this solar system.

But also a lot of wonderful Hero's trying to wake us up to rise above the lower mind program. For example, people who tend to enable the system that is, without speaking up and out and wanting to get enough awake to change it, those who think its ok that lives are ending unjustly all over the world, that people are starving, homeless, and that nature is being destroyed on a daily basis, tend to have given their power away, and that group tends to be in danger of soul traps, as a consequence because they did that. Not saying there are no rememedies and Hero's aren't around us, and in us, trying to change that, and that even one's own consciousness/mind can choose to free itself and forgive self and everyone, and choose understanding. Because its like voodoo, if you believe its a temporal trap for a while. And it may be being completely sprung from above. While describing the possibilty don't want to entrench it, just throwing up a probability.

Ets are very real, on all sides and inbetween, those observing. And in many different species. Im not guessing on that.



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 04:33 PM
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Man, don't tell me this is like Reboot, and the programmer the User living outside the Net, playing games and destroying systems for pleasure?

Anyways, it quite a guess or interesting possibility that Alien E.T's, that could almost be considered or able to do dimensional feats could be visited by other UFOS that could be further beyond them then the E.T's in comparison to us. I usually like to make the comparison of E.T and E.D, where E.T flesh an blood, or steel, being able to do dimensional feats, like going through walls, time travel, telepathy, etc...

Where as E.D's would be less physical, to the point where it believed that E.D's could exist outside of time.

Almost like trying to compare the Annunaki vs The Watchers...Which im not getting into or acting like I know what I talking about there.
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posted on May, 25 2015 @ 08:42 PM
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I'm watching this one at the moment, thanks for bringing it to the table!


Now, a point that zardust made in his/her post - our consciousness being an avatar of the programmer, as well as every other living consciousness, is an interesting view, and fairly

My main problem with ETs being on Earth at all (apart from distances, and the fact we won't be able to recognize them in the first place as anything we could put into context) is pop culture and the fact the US have done everything they can to implement this myth in the back of our heads for a reason for the last 60-70 years.

I'm still to see any strong evidence linking UFOs and ETs. When we deduct the misidentifications, black projects and the cases where a certain agenda is at play, I don't see anything actually pointing to beings from another planet being necessarily the culprits. When you take into account distance, speed and motive (I said, let go of the Ego, I don't think we're all that special in the vast Universe where there might be a great number of other versions of us), it is actually far from likely to be the real explanation of the phenomenon.

But lets step a way back so we could take the idea a step further, and stop for a second with the speculation on who/what might be behind UFOs. Focusing on the pure facts - UFO's bend time and space. Whoever, and I mean, whoever the culprit is, the fact of the matter is, he/they indeed would be able to be anywhere at any given point. So.... in the end, aliens on other planets are going through the same quest as we are, as they're seeing the same weird stuff in their skies, so to say. If I had a UFO bending time and space, I WOULD be everywhere hehe



posted on May, 25 2015 @ 11:09 PM
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