What was the Motive of Christianity?

a reply to: jimmyx

Couldn't begin to tell you.

For all I know, he was illiterate. He simply couldn't write things down. Again, conjecture.

Or...

There's always been a strong oral teaching tradition, especially during that period of time.

You are, truly, asking the wrong person. I've got opinion, that's all. Certain knowledge? Not so much.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: awareness10
Religion from a Scientific Approach.

It's possible the motive of all Religion is to simply reach the other side of the rainbow and then vanish into a reverse electronic magnified proton induced atomic dust ball of strange matter. And then 'Poof' .. disappear into nothingness.

Light is the 4th dimension and the reference frame for time. Theoretically, transcending into the light would be a world not limited by time, and thus would allow the eternal life promised by Jesus and other prophetic figures (John 1:1-13). To go off what you said, as an object approaches the speed of light it begins to contract material, and theoretically once it reaches the speed of light it would vanish into thin air. Not to say the transcendent process is a matter of reaching the velocity of light, but rather, the realm of light is likely something within us that we can tune into.


"There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever." (Rev 22:5)

In my humble opinion, I believe you are right.

Nicely said. what do you believe reality is, i'm just curious.

originally posted by: awareness10

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: awareness10
Religion from a Scientific Approach.

It's possible the motive of all Religion is to simply reach the other side of the rainbow and then vanish into a reverse electronic magnified proton induced atomic dust ball of strange matter. And then 'Poof' .. disappear into nothingness.

Light is the 4th dimension and the reference frame for time. Theoretically, transcending into the light would be a world not limited by time, and thus would allow the eternal life promised by Jesus and other prophetic figures (John 1:1-13). To go off what you said, as an object approaches the speed of light it begins to contract material, and theoretically once it reaches the speed of light it would vanish into thin air. Not to say the transcendent process is a matter of reaching the velocity of light, but rather, the realm of light is likely something within us that we can tune into.


"There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever." (Rev 22:5)

In my humble opinion, I believe you are right.

Nicely said. what do you believe reality is, i'm just curious.

I think many of us are awakening to the true reality. The internet has boosted our access to knowledge to the point that many are beginning to see beyond the charade that has enthralled the past generations. If I were to ask my parents what reality, or "real life" is, they would say making money, having a job, finding a wife; because they learned this from their parents, and their parent's learned it from their parents, etc, etc. The internet is allowing us to break out of this vicious cycle of ignorance that our ancestors have passed down year after year. (With that being said, it is also important that we do not become ensnared with the internet [checkout all the people on auto-pilot who can't take their eyes off their phones], this could potentially disallow an organic upliftment process)

Reality is encoded in us, and is unraveling for those who are seeking it. There is some sort of intelligence to light that we have yet to understand. I could talk about how our bodies emit biophotons, or how the pineal gland has photoreceptors, or how the ethmoid bone has ferrous oxide that responds to electromagnetism, or how '___' is the chemical that triggers the natural mystical experience that gives us a taste of what is to come. But, reality is the Eternal Present moment, and that's all there ever was, but we have gotten comfortable in a strange societal delusion. We have this concept of time, and we worry about past, and future, without ever actually participating in the present.

It is said that we die because we sin. What does sin mean? Sin in Greek means to miss the mark. As in, miss the purpose of life. It is time we put an end to this and seek the truth. It will not be easy, but it is out there, and we should never give up until we have found it and act upon it.

To simplify my beliefs, consciousness is light and we are destined for a homecoming with Eternal Being in the light. Light is the present moment, and "time"/decay is due to our being alienated from the realm of light (sinning). Our bodies are the vessels meant to deliver our individual consciousness into this realm. Love, fix all insecurities and selfish behavior, and believe that the path of righteousness will deliver us to our true home.

Ahh I could talk about this stuff all day but I'll stop there. I'd like to hear your idea of reality too if you have the time.

a reply to: cooperton

I thoroughly enjoyed reading your response to my question. Thankyou!

I agree with you about everyone being glued to their electronic devices, this will become a problem inevitably. Anyone past the X generation won't remember what it was like to live in a world where Organic was pretty much everything we ate. We had no devices to occupy our brains and we felt free still to do and be what we wanted.

Reality is encoded within this reality construct yes, but i believe this place we 'believe' to be a planet called earth isn't actually what we think. You really want to know what i believe? I'm not sure how to say it, because you most likely won't agree but i feel you're open enough to it. I don't believe this world is real, but rather, subliminal. and everything in it is a Subliminalsuggestion, everything from Numbers, to Letters, to Sounds, to Shapes and Angles.

Like a Hypnotist this place is able to subliminally suggest things to our subconscious mind and alter that which we see and feel.

You are correct about the meaning of Sin yes, and Hell, well it is an old English word for a hole in the ground. I too enjoy this topic. My view on Light however is different from yours. I see there are many groups trying to get to the light and they speak of light workers from other dimensions where from my view it simply said, is part of everything else here. Take a hypnotist for example, he can hypnotize someone into believing that the people in front of him have vanished right? and that he now see's say, a Giraffe.. Did the people disappear? No they didn't. If the people were really there in the first place really solid and physical they would never have disappeared in the first place. But however they aren't real, therefore they Vanished because they are actually Subliminal Illusions.

And there you go, my version of Reality ;-)

Jesus didn't probably say even 30% of what is written in the 4 Gospels as "his words".

The first manuscripts are found dating at 2 century - 3 century after Christ. Why didn't the apostles write a line THEMSELVES? John and Matthew were pretty literate, if the others weren't. Why Jesus didn't write a line?

If you read carefully the texts, you will find a bunch of phrases that were not used in the time of Jesus and the Jews around him, but were used for a first time in history by the Christian communities themselves, decades or centuries after Jesus.

Like the phrase that "one should bear his own cross". When was it said, ever, in the Bible that everyone is born "with a cross"??? This is a Christian idea, having nothing to do with the time Jesus lived in. Jesus didn't talk like that. Actually, we don't know how he talked. We know that aren't possibly Jesus' words.

Another Big lie is the missing important events of the life of Jesus: 4 gospels denied Jesus was married. Now we have a dozen of other books, equally authentic, being not even apocrypha, that speak Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.

Let alone why the apocrypha is apocrypha, and why the canonical gospels are canonical, who made that distinction and why.

Both are not enough to say the truth of Jesus, however.

With such gross trespasses of the first "theologians of christianity" who have left what we know as New Testament and early teaching + tradition, to speak what is the word of God and what is a heresy, is a total delusion.

Cui bono? ("to whose benefit?") Rome. First Pagan then "Christian". Or better say, Roman gods.

"If your brother sins, go tell the 'church' " Pardon me??? The word "church" in Greek was not EXISTENT in the time of Jesus. It appears later for the Christian communities. How then Jesus used that word if it was not known in his time, in Jewish language or anyway? There weren't Christian communities in his time. There was a crowd that followed him and witnessed the miracles, that I do not intend to deny an inch!!!
He never used the word "church". The text is written 2 centuries after Jesus, at best.

I expect gross revelations to be made very soon. With or without Rome.

Perhaps, the martyrs died for a completely different Gospel that they knew of. I don't thin someone would have died for the current texts, not in the scale and number of the martyrs.

Why were they persecuted by Rome in first place, those illiterate communities of people? Because they kept something that was not officially approved. Not because of what we know today. What we know today was APPROVED BY ROME, after centuries of deliberate cleansing inconvenient texts and tradition and killing people. Finally to end up with the New Testament as we know it approved by Constantine. (Revelation added 1 century later).

Why the so called heretics were persecuted by the Christian Rome centuries later? Everyone who didn't agree with the Impreial-approved councils were called heretics and persecuted, not less than the early martyrs. Spanned in time, it could be even bigger than the martyrs. For what? For BOOKS and knowing things about Jesus that were banned by Rome.

Mary Magdalene and possibly children is one of the reasons. Others perhaps exist.

We were deluded to believe a forgery, the biggest in history after the Flood. That doesn't deny the sanctity of the common people who spent entire lives, generations and centuries, living poor, holy life in misery and believing in the goodness of God, in the life to come, in the Kingdom of God.

Words that never ever were fulfilled during 15 centuries unquestioned rule of Rome over the Christendom Europe. Rome owes the humanity explanation, that were not given in the last 2-3 centuries when Rome lost its political power, as well as the Inquisition power. The world needs to know the truth of Jesus Christ.

I would rather believe a kind of 'Star Wars' story, than the CURRENT version of "Christian teaching" built upon forged and trimmed texts, that leaks controversy and inconsistencies from every point of view.

I'd wish the next pope to have the courage to fix the teachings back to the time of Jesus Christ and the unchanged 'post factum' apostles. Everything short of that is the next delusion. I'd wish we could have somehow video records of the entire life of Jesus Christ. Why not from the clouds by angels that we still haven't met face to face with them. The apostles saw them, said the so much changed texts. Why not we see them and hear them? Because we don't have to know the truth.

21 centuries after Christ. I think it is just enough of waiting. The world society may not survive more time, if it doesn't get the truth NOW. 21 centuries after Christ we have existential problems, and not the blind waiting of the antichrist and the Second Coming will fix them. What if the nuclear war or other wipe out humanity long before the so called end times. It is we who lose. No, it is God who lose in such scenario, and Satan wins. Be careful on which side you stand. The Pharisees and the Inquisitors also did everything "in the name of God" / "in the name of Christ".

It is a time the truth to be said plainly in modern terms. That the heaven is on far away galaxy, that Jesus came from there and went there on Ascension day, that the angels came from there and elsewhere. Anything short of the large picture makes the believers sort of fanatics who believe a fable, shortcut and trimmed to extend unknown. If there is a good will to make the difference towards the Kingdom of God, that moral and religious jump should be made, NOW.

It will suffice very little to know after centuries (from heaven or elsewhere) that we could make it but failed as humanity, for the reproach of that failed humanity a second time after the original sin, and for the reproach of its Savior who died in vanity. Is this the goal, after all?

Instead, we could have God's Kingdom here and now, or in a matter of years, and we could change the things. There weren't so many historic chances the earth could do it as a whole and individually. In fact, we live in a period of such a chance after WW2 after entering both nuclear and space era. Now we are in internet era that makes it possible to communicate each individual to the rest of us. To communicate lost Gospels and truths.

We are a step before the announcement of the AI. Leading specialists as Bill Gates already voiced concern. The Russian latest tank and jet fighter are both robotized, i.e. they already have kind of AI. Perhaps the mega computers have it too.

Let those fanatically believing people who think they do everything in the name of Jesus, while being very far from the reality, and blaming for the faults Satan, and/or the human sinfulness, let they not find themselves entrapped in centuries old fables, while at the same time they aren't able to see the danger coming from completely different place.

If we fail to implement God's kingdom, as required by Jesus, and we fail it already 20 centuries after Christ, it won't remain empty space. The evil one is ready to fill it.

I guess I can talk more than the space and time are set for one post. There are too many other things. I don't blame anyone for their beliefs. They'd do better to inform themselves in first place. My faith is not weaker than theirs. Only it is informed faith.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
Jesus didn't probably say even 30% of what is written in the 4 Gospels as "his words".

The first manuscripts are found dating at 2 century - 3 century after Christ. Why didn't the apostles write a line THEMSELVES? John and Matthew were pretty literate, if the others weren't. Why Jesus didn't write a line?

If you read carefully the texts, you will find a bunch of phrases that were not used in the time of Jesus and the Jews around him, but were used for a first time in history by the Christian communities themselves, decades or centuries after Jesus.

Funny thing is, we don't have any proof he even existed?!

So, even those 30% are really questionable...

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: cooperton
What was the Motive of Christianity?

Tremendous love for human life !

And tremendous hate for human nature....

My theory is that--

Jesus was real but a rebel leader against the Romans. He was mainly inconsequential in the larger scheme of things but some used his real life and death and added on to it to create the legend of Jesus. It might have even been a spiritual movement that he created or championed himself.

Then I think Paul hijacked it for his own needs. That changed things, and as Christianity grew, the Christian church leaders saw ways to get and maintain power. Then other leaders used Christianity to gain even more power..the popes and then Constantine. Today ...Jesus is still used to create power and wealth.

What WAS the motive of Christianity?


According to Mark 12:30-31..

And you must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.'
The second is equally important: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' No other commandment is greater than these."

When later asked exactly who this "neighbour" is, Jesus told the story of the Good Samaritan.

I take these (what I like to think of as "The Two Commandments") to simply mean love God with everything He has given you by using what He's given. Without heart and soul, we are cold and uncaring. Without a mind, we are ignorant. Without strength, we cannot stand up for what is right.
And the second is much more simple, and put much more eloquently by a couple of crazy kids...

originally posted by: amazing
Then I think Paul hijacked it for his own needs. That changed things, and as Christianity grew, the Christian church leaders saw ways to get and maintain power. Then other leaders used Christianity to gain even more power..the popes and then Constantine. Today ...Jesus is still used to create power and wealth.

That's interesting...

See, I think along the same lines as you except that the usurping happened much later, when the Roman Empire became Christian. See, shortly after that mighty Rome began to crack, and not long after the Empire was mostly done.

And yet, there is still a religious organisation that operates out of what WAS the Roman Empire. The Catholic Church, based out of Vatican City, is quite possibly one of the most influential, wealthy and powerful "states" in the world and, as the head of state is also the head of the faith, it claims the allegiance of billions of Catholics across the world. It quite literally dictates the lives of it's followers, especially in poorer countries. Which exacerbates the problems they face, and makes them more dependent on the Church.

Control.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

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a reply to: 2012newstart

there are discrepancies among the Bible translations, but none that substantially change the message.

If the Bible was written by a lot of evil people, why did they levee out his younger years? surely this was a good time to add a few things to undermine "Love God and each other."

What? Did they run out of imagination?

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a reply to: Verum1quaere

I have no idea what that has to do with the topic, nor do I believe it. At least not in the same way you do. But since we're sharing youtube videos. Here is one from my old Sunday School days that has more meaning than I realized back then. www.youtube.com...

a reply to: cooperton

There is a group of people out there who say the motivations, philosophies, and morals, of atheists are pure (LOL) but Christians have motivations, philosophies, and texts centered on fraudulent control over others. Not buying it.

Motives can be guess at based on peoples actions and their words. So, what are today's Christians doing? What are today's atheists doing? Then you quickly realize there are True Christians(tm) and True Atheists(tm) and you realize the question isn't as meaningful as it was supposed to be.

Motives are individual. There is practically no such thing as one group motivation.

The motive of Christianity was pure. Then once the 1st century Christians grew old and withered away, corrupt money and power hungry people seeped into the early congregations and exploited them. The biggest exploiter and truth hider was the Vatican. They wanted power and wealth so they kept what the Bible really teaches away from the masses. They also slaughtered thousands of people based off of their own traditions and human principles that were completely unfounded in the scriptures. When Jesus was on earth, his preaching theme was about 'God's Kingdom.' One that would destroy the current world system humans live under and bring a restoration to the earth and restore the original purpose which was laid out in the Garden of Eden. It's not about heaven and hell. People are meant to live on earth.

a reply to: Verum1quaere

Leaving out His Early years is a big question by itself. Those gospel- writers knew what Mary said around the birth and recorded it, word by word, but they didn't record her story of 30 years' life of Her Divine Son??? What is it they hided? Perhaps Jesus never spent most of those 30 years in Nazareth, if there isn't much remembered about him during that time? It is too important because we talk of the Son of God-Son of Man who walked the Earth. Instead of carefully collected brief moments of his final 3.5 years, we should know most of his earthly life. The people at his time should be more careful to record it. Do the Dead Sea scrolls have something more than that?

Don't worry, it has been recorded, by angels from the clouds. Hope they release the tape sooner, not thru one source but worldwide.

I hope that even the hardest line catholic will recognize I am not against the catholic church or its believers.

Some groups within the Catholic church however, want to sacrifice the faithful in the so built model of Christ, contrary to any logic or teaching of a Good God who sent His Son to die Instead of us. I don't know who those people are, probably not the pope, probably not only in the catholic church. But it is apparent their last attempt to prepare the believing but not informed flocks for mass sacrifice of the kind I don't know of yet. (whether staying under meteorite rain, or nuclear explosions, when there will be escape route, or something else, I don't know). Perhaps those people work with dark entities and serve someone else, not the God of Goodness.

They cover all that with apparitions of the Virgin, massively started in 19th century when the Catholic church have already lost political influence. Those apparitions in their majority call for endless sacrifice on personal level, for "victim souls" to repay for the sins of others, of the world. (as if Jesus' sacrifice on the Cross wasn't enough to repay over-abundantly all the sins until the end of the world!). Projected, that means the Virgins of those endless apparitions don't care for the wellbeing or even survival of the believers, but of a mega sacrifice by maximum people possible. You could see the changed Fatima messages to understand what I mean, if you never approached that before. One may ask of who played those Virgins that appeared projected in the minds of the seers. The tech could already be in human hands, if the mainstream news talk of uploading the brain on computer. However I assume it is done not by human operators, but extra-human, evil aliens who project pretty good looking images with the feeling of love and joy into the in-suspicious minds of the seers - so they believe they see no one else but Virgin Mary. And spread the message that is a message of increased sacrifices that projected will reach its maximum at the appointed time.

Well, if the evil ones are around, sure the good ones won't be too late.

How much that new kind of mind control is a policy approved by the top clergy, it is not clear. What is clear, is the faithful are not promised good life on earth by both top clergy and "heavenly messengers". Recently the pope said one cannot have both this world and the next one. Of course the words should not be taken out of the entire message, and the messages of the Jesuit Francis are too complex to understand at first reading. But that sounds alarming. Does it mean we are doomed by the top hierarchy already, without the hope of a normal human existence , not only with everyday supplies that are provided also to animals, but with dignity of humans. I guess much should be done for the better understanding of the Gospel (true) in 21st century.

Perhaps the efforts of this pope are good but not good enough. Perhaps the popes should strive to bring to the world,a nd not to endlessly postpone, the true knowledge of the angelic nature and why is it we found ourselves imprisoned for life on a single planet when there are billions more in our own galaxy. Why is it, the traffic between is virtually stopped for the large population. Aren't we to be COMPENSATED by higher authorities for the Original Sin- Genetic Chagnge, and not rather pay all our lives with sufferings of all kind, to end up with useless death, and to hope only for unknown yet heaven. Isn't it better to call the things with their real names, that the heaven is may be far away galaxy, or whatever it is, and that the human race still undergoes some kind of test or quarantine. If it is so, the churchmen should be the first, not the last, to call for a more just verdict of higher hierarchies, (to avoid to word God on every paragraph because I donot claim to speak in the name of God as others do). After Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross for us, we deserve a betterment, not worsening of situation. If it was what is said to be. Perhaps we the humans on earth must defend our rights before higher hierarchies in this universe, for our righteous place that was taken by genetic manipulation of our grandparents that we were not guilty of it in anyway. Others were, and let we be rewarded what we missed all those millenia of involuntary imprisonment of our souls on this dumped prison planet. Because, the churchmen said there was no re-incarnation, and therefore our souls could not possibly suffer for their wrongdoings in past lives. OK I accept that. Then, let the humanity are repaid, now.

See how the people fly from planet to planet in sci fi movies. Is it just sci fi? Is it the devil's deception? Or is it the real situation. What is now is absurd. I refuse to follow orders for even more sacrifice, even if those orders are presented as beautiful words of a virgin in apparition, or command line statements of clerics. Enough of that, really! I will die anyway, even without following their sacrificial models. I think they are satanic, not God-given. The world deserves more than that, even if it is not met today but after more centuries wasted. Because all of that should be told to people centuries earlier. When all of that comes to an end, the humanity's absurd will be pointed at among th egalaxies of how the things should not be done ever again "in the name of God".

originally posted by: Dr1Akula

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: cooperton
What was the Motive of Christianity?

Tremendous love for human life !

And tremendous hate for human nature....

You mean your definition of human nature

originally posted by: 2012newstart
Jesus didn't probably say even 30% of what is written in the 4 Gospels as "his words".

I would say 90% of the words are his.