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The Conservative "Meritocracy" Paradise As It Recently Existed

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posted on May, 26 2015 @ 02:40 PM
a reply to: timequake
You assert a superiority in understanding. This is the norm for a libertarian. Admitting to an ignorance of any sort would undermine the entire argument for independence for then you would not KNOW how to proceed.
Imposition is the way of the UNIVERSE. Go into the Arctic in November and pick strawberries. I dare you. You can not impose your will to find them. You are a weak, small being with a want. Yet, if you are on a base maintained by a global society, if worse comes to worse, you get strawberry ice cream.

When your constitutional requirements (pun, only a pun) truly demand a response to preserve yourself, I don't see that as anything else but a constraint on your 'totally' free being.
What most of the 'libertarians' express is that they are supreme in making judgements at to how best to meet the requirements of the Universe.
Since there are no means for ANYONE to achieve complete knowledge of everything, this sentiment fails.

The group mind and it's specialists have a far greater chance of succeeding in a Universe that consistently demonstrates hostility, associations that do NOT like you (foreign and domestic governments, e.g.) and pathogens of various stripes. You are not able to understand all of the intricacies, what to accept, what to avoid. Making correct decisions promptly from readily obtainable facts is directly related to your survival. Gaining that information and on how to make good decisions requires the action of society. Without the support of society libertarians would eventually run out of materials, both intellectual and physical, and be unable to follow their whims.
A Darwinian exercise?
During this pre-death experience, libertarians avow their need to proceed down their individual path doing as they wish because of their 'right' to act in this manner. In truth, I would prefer that society abandon them to their devices. Abject lessons once learned, I would send all of them to the cave that the Japanese dude defended for thirty years for a sojourn of understanding what true isolation is.
The normal response to this 'isolate' comment is that libertarians want everything that they can obtain from a society prior to withdrawal and later select the tidbits that yet entice them. Then they tell us about they still possess consciences and they really aren't egoistic three Y/Os.
Libertarians are BS and of self directed uselessness. Like the Elite collecting tax breaks, libertarians want it all with no cost to them.
While I understand the need to provide for oneself, I have no comprehension of the endless needs expressed by folks who think that opting out of all of societal rules and retaining all of the privileges is the only fair way to treat them.

Libertarianism is an intellectual construct that has never proved successful in the modern world. Humans bond. It's what we do. In ever larger groups and with ever more connectivity. It's human. What libertarians propose is some sort of Eden of choices. What it would be is endless effing work replicating what is easily obtained through the societal linkages.

posted on May, 26 2015 @ 02:56 PM
a reply to: pthena
A consequence of treating individuals as such is that every peculiarity needs to be completely appreciated. Is this task worth the effort of those making the judgements?
No, it isn't.
That's why standards are used to eliminate 'special' treatment.

posted on May, 26 2015 @ 04:50 PM
a reply to: largo
My response was to your calling Libertarians sociopaths. I think that Sociopathy is now referred to as

Antisocial Personality Disorder
Antisocial (or dissocial) personality disorder is characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for, or violation of, the rights of others. There may be an impoverished moral sense or conscience and a history of crime, legal problems, and impulsive and aggressive behavior.

Not to be confused with Asociality, Antisocial behavior, Avoidant personality disorder, or Schizoid personality disorder.

Libertarians don't characterize themselves as favoring violation of the rights of others.

Even a personal desire to avoid the problems of others is not necessarily a symptom of Avoidant personality disorder, much less Antisocial Personality Disorder.

posted on May, 26 2015 @ 07:27 PM
a reply to: largo

Your entire post demonstrates that you have no understanding of the libertarian philosophy. It was really nothing more than poor attempt at characterization that touched on nothing contained within the philosophy of what they are. Many parts of your diatribe literally made no sense whatsoever.

Where did you get the idea that they want to opt out of society? It really boils down to having a choice in how one lives among others. In fact, that is the entire point of libertarianism: how people can live together and still be free as an individual.

posted on May, 26 2015 @ 11:42 PM

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