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A genuine question of internet ethics

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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 05:38 PM
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I joined ATS, like many others to discuss intelligently about matters of conspiracy, news and politics.

The fact it differs from the average 'chat' style forums of lewd content and constant sexual references is good thing, it is ATS the Conspiracy site, it is not chat /gay chat by stealth.

Some of us, perhaps most would prefer not a bombardment of gay sexual references every time the ''live'' feed page is viewed.

I wondered if a moderator could elaborate on the ethical stance of the general ambiance of ATS about such things, in reference to the T&C.

This is a genuine question not a ''stunt'' or a complaint as such, it is about appropriateness and the evolution of ATS in the 'information age'. Sometimes some information is TMI and would be better suited to gay chat than a conspiracy website.

Is ATS ever considering a 'gay' forum so the rest of us can at least avoid it?

Many consider talk of sex, especially disguised references to gay sex / sodomy as vulgar.




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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Lol, ethics and the internet mix like oil and water.

I think I saw what your talking about yesterday on the new topics page.

I thought it odd myself.

But I wasn't offended, I just didn't click it.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 05:49 PM
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"Is ATS ever considering a 'gay' forum so the rest of us can at least avoid it? "

I'm sure if ATS created a gay forum that would only take away from the nature of this site. Plus, if a gay forum starts, what's next, a transgender forum? A forum for every race, sex, gender orientation will be expecting there own forums on here. I say just ignore what you don't like to see and it will go away. I think the majority of people here will do or are doing the same. You're not alone in your crusade here, but just think of what doors could be opened by allowing what you're proposing



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 05:51 PM
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I've been mostly away lately - but the standard "alert any posts that violate T&C" would apply. Staff is stretched thin and there's no way we can read everything posted. We do rely upon membership to point us at posts that do not live up to the rules.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: Illumin

I only asked as I and many others would not frequent the site if it did. A 'gay' forum is exactly the thing ATS should be avoiding IMO.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: Hefficide

Thanks for your reply Heff.

I guess some of the stuff is offensive to me and many others but it is borderline T&C.

Here is an example:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:01 PM
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Many consider talk of sex, especially disguised references to gay sex / sodomy as vulgar.


thats discrimination. NO SEX TALK ANYWHERE AT ALL. unless its the topic.

...now its fair.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: Illumin

I only asked as I and many others would not frequent the site if it did. A 'gay' forum is exactly the thing ATS should be avoiding IMO.


I totally agree they should avoid it like the plague! That's why I left that "godlike" place. There was/is NO control of vile threads and posts! This place is pretty good, and the mods seem to be on top of things. I've felt comfortable so far, but I realize some things are going to slip through the cracks!



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: Illumin


"Is ATS ever considering a 'gay' forum so the rest of us can at least avoid it? "

Slippery slope…

Next we'll need little symbols pinned to avatars to distinguish between classes or characteristics. Dividing people to their class or group, with passwords and restrictions, like Black / White drinking fountains, Concentration Camps, "Gay" Forums, whatever.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:06 PM
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It's the same reason I don't read the Huffington Post anymore. The promotion of the gay agenda is way out of proportion than it should be, given the size of the gay population (about 3 - 5%).

I don't have any problem at all with having a gay interest section, but when those stories are posted on the main site as "news", it degenerates the value of the site. Stories about how to find the best person on Grindr have no business on a serious news site.

It's the same here, this is a CONSPIRACY THEORY site, not a gay issues chat forum. I have absolutely no issues with anybody and what lifestyle they pursue themselves, but quit trying to push your lifestyle on me.

I've chosen the lifestyle that best fulfils me, and you've chosen the one that best fulfils you. If I've got no problem with you living your life, why are you trying to get me to change the way I live mine?



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: TzarChasm

I wouldn't mind the ''no sex talk on ATS'' even ''no sexual preference threads'' would be a start.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

As I said, I am not recommending it, I would probably not frequent the site if there was, it was just a question.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth
I love to read your inputs and your opinions. Now that this is said, I completely disagree that the post you linked isn't exceptable. I wasn't interested and didn't click it myself but honestly there are times when you need to ask someone that doesn't know you something.

Haven't you ever had an,"am I wrong", or an " is it just me" moment?

You are right, I come here to learn. I know I can be a goof most times but, that's why I thought I needed to share why that post didn't bother me specifically.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:16 PM
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a reply to: Iamthatbish

Thanks for the compliment.

If it was just an isolated thread I would probably just ignore it but in a few days there have been at least two transgender threads that turned into 'gay chat' style attention seeking threads then a 'new' member posted this today. I don't buy it as an innocent question and I believe there are better places to ask that than on a conspiracy site, like a gay chat site.
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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:18 PM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth
That's a good point. Most of us are aware of ATS haters. The sad fact is the twitter account is bringing new people. I think this makes it more difficult to identify the dedicated trolls.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:20 PM
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What you may consider vulgar, others may find informative. I was unaware of the thread you referenced, however after reading the opening post, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

ATS has a lot of room for freedom of speech. I'd like to keep it that way, and without segregating it all out.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

Edit to add: What is considered vulgar or obscene is very subjective, almost entirely based on opinion. I believe within the context of ATS, it's pertaining pornography, images of gruesome incidents, etc...
edit on 5/21/2015 by cmdrkeenkid because: Added additional response.


Edit to add: I just feel compelled to add, but necessarily make another post to say it, that there is a certain level of irony to this thread that amuses me.
edit on 5/21/2015 by cmdrkeenkid because: Added additional response. Again.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: TzarChasm

I wouldn't mind the ''no sex talk on ATS'' even ''no sexual preference threads'' would be a start.


throwing the baby out with the bathwater. lets take care not to let our personal aversions affect our professional understandings. just because you find gay sex distasteful doesnt mean it cant be very educational for other people to discuss it. how else are they supposed to separate truth from fiction? by pretending it doesnt exist?



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:30 PM
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If you try and not allow something to do with LGBT, you are risking a public linching. For a group that claims to be oppressed, they really do love shaming others for not sharing their views.

In other words... how dare you be offended by gay references. What kind of person are you? A Russian Nazi Terrorist?



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:33 PM
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Topics on ATS come and go. They get a certain momentum for a while. It won't be long until another subject is dominating the boards. We see this repeatedly. Ebola was on the boards for weeks and weeks, with one thread breeding another. This too shall pass. In the meantime, find what interests you, and ignore the rest.


I wouldn't mind the ''no sex talk on ATS'' even ''no sexual preference threads'' would be a start.


It's the suggestion of the censoring of what threads can and cannot be made that troubles me more than anything.
You seem to be advocating Censorship, and diminishing freedom of speech.

Should I check with you before I make another thread?



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: TzarChasm

That is not the point. The point is 'sex being discussed on ATS' regardless of whichever sort is the most distasteful. I similarly would prefer not to see threads about ''a question for heterosexuals...'' I guess there would be outrage as ''discrimination'' from certain factions if there was.

I think ATS is not the place for discussing sex /sexual preference. Simple.




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