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NEWS ALERT: NATO threatens Russia amidst LIVE Fire Military Exercises

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posted on May, 22 2015 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Because he is a war hawk and they don't have sense enough to understand complex issues like consequences.
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posted on May, 23 2015 @ 04:02 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Dimithae

NATO MEMBERS. There's a difference. The NATO Alliance and NATO accords are defensive. You're confusing the two. A NATO member or members can be aggressive and it have nothing to do work NATO.

As for the Baltic States, they approached NATO, not the other way around.


Sure in the public domain as far as the propaganda..sorry truthful media reporting, they approached NATO.
In reality, Washington has puppets in power there who act in Washingtons interests and help further Washington's agenda.

Either way, Washington wants to get more involved in that region, and further push the encirclement...sorry containment of an aggressive Russia(right?), to protect it's European allies. It has nothing at all to do with energy resources and supply and shutting out the Russians who have some of the biggest energy reserves in the world.



posted on May, 23 2015 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: Dimithae




Because he is a war hawk and they don't have sense enough to understand complex issues like consequences.


So you think Generals in the military are dumb and don't know complex issues like consequences...really?

The US doesn't just make Generals out of dumb asses...you need to do some research, because obviously you are very uninformed.



posted on May, 23 2015 @ 05:06 AM
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a reply to: mortex




Either way, Washington wants to get more involved in that region, and further push the encirclement...sorry containment of an aggressive Russia(right?), to protect it's European allies. It has nothing at all to do with energy resources and supply and shutting out the Russians who have some of the biggest energy reserves in the world.


Well if that were true then why would the US and NATO wait until Russia became another big player, and not do it when Russia was ripe for the picking when they were in trouble in the early 90's?

I also have to ask if the US wanted Russian energy sources why did we help them with aid money at the time of their collapse...wouldn't it have been easier to take it then?

Seems that would have been the time to do it...not now.



posted on May, 23 2015 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: mortex




Either way, Washington wants to get more involved in that region, and further push the encirclement...sorry containment of an aggressive Russia(right?), to protect it's European allies. It has nothing at all to do with energy resources and supply and shutting out the Russians who have some of the biggest energy reserves in the world.


Well if that were true then why would the US and NATO wait until Russia became another big player, and not do it when Russia was ripe for the picking when they were in trouble in the early 90's?

I also have to ask if the US wanted Russian energy sources why did we help them with aid money at the time of their collapse...wouldn't it have been easier to take it then?

Seems that would have been the time to do it...not now.


All those oligarchs that are Putins enemies, that western media makes out to be saints and doens't state what they've been up to in Russia for the Russian government to turn on them..what side do you think they were on? Russia's side, or Americas side?
That's right.

Aid? LOL. We all know what American aid means.

There was no need to do it militarily or politically/diplomatically back then, because back then they had a drunk in power called Yeltsin, and the oligarchs working for not only their own interests but America's interests, were free to do whatever they wanted, and that's what they did.

Then along came a man called Vladimir Putin. For a time, he played the game America's way. Until such a time that it was no longer necessary for Russia to play the game according to America's script.

And now here we are, with our media demonizing Putin as if he is to blame.

Since the dawn of civilization, man has sought to control and rule the world known to him.
It is what it is.

I hope though, that some of you typical "USA!USA!USA!" types actually acknowledge and comprehend that our side, the West(lead by the USA), is in fact, trying to control and rule the planet. To think otherwise, would be naive.
Of course, the Russians want to as well. But they must first re-establish them selves as one of the dominant world powers, and to do that they need to rebuild their armed forces, which is exactly what they are doing. Without a powerful military capable of striking anywhere on the planet both conventional and unconventionally, they wont be taken seriously as a world power.

Our sides moves against Russia are aimed at preventing this from happening. Because a Russia that has the military capability to back up it's diplomatic moves, is a threat to the agenda of the West.
Same goes with China, hence why you see the USA repositioning forces in the Pacific region.

Question is, can the US contain an emerging super power and a re-awakening superpower, and fight other wars around the world all at the same time, and for how long will it's western allies stay on the bandwagon for the ride, in particular the Europeans, before they decide that they should take their future in their own hands and deal with the Russians directly instead of through the American's mouthpiece in NATO.

As the saying goes we live in interesting times.



posted on May, 23 2015 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: mortex

The west is not trying to rule the world and to make that claim demonstrates a lack of understanding on the topic. Nations are free to choose who they do business with in the eyes of the west. Not so in the eyes of China or Russia. The ability to choose is a poison pill for both the Chinese and Russian governments.

if the people get a choice, like people in the west get, then they represent a fundamental threat to the powerbase of the ruling elite in those 2 countries.

Government control of media...
Crack down on protesting...
Crack down on NGO's...
Isolating their population from outside information...
Constant lies put out by their respective media geared at their own populations...

The west is portrayed as a threat to their own people (Russia / China) to allow the Russian and Chinese government to justify their control over their populations to keep the ruling elite in power.

I can at least publicly state that my government is being run by a bunch of no talent ass clowns who couldn't find their own ass with 2 hands, a flashlight and a search party.

Try it in Russia and China and its the last thing you will state publicly before you disappear.


NATO is not a threat to Russia nor China as it is a defensive alliance.
Russia invaded Ukraine and Georgia and illegally occupies territory in those 2 nations in addition to Moldova. China is building islands in the South china sea and threatening their neighbors by distorting / lying about their claims and their lies and misuse of the UN charter and agreements they are a part of (like the EEZ and what constitutes sovereign territory).

The problem is not the west. The problem are those nations who cant stand democracy in any version and think they have a right to control the internal factors of another in their own favor - Like Russia in Ukraine / Georgia and Moldova and China with Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, Tibet and the Philippines.



posted on May, 24 2015 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: mortex

The west is not trying to rule the world and to make that claim demonstrates a lack of understanding on the topic. Nations are free to choose who they do business with in the eyes of the west. Not so in the eyes of China or Russia. The ability to choose is a poison pill for both the Chinese and Russian governments.

if the people get a choice, like people in the west get, then they represent a fundamental threat to the powerbase of the ruling elite in those 2 countries.

Government control of media...
Crack down on protesting...
Crack down on NGO's...
Isolating their population from outside information...
Constant lies put out by their respective media geared at their own populations...

The west is portrayed as a threat to their own people (Russia / China) to allow the Russian and Chinese government to justify their control over their populations to keep the ruling elite in power.

I can at least publicly state that my government is being run by a bunch of no talent ass clowns who couldn't find their own ass with 2 hands, a flashlight and a search party.

Try it in Russia and China and its the last thing you will state publicly before you disappear.


NATO is not a threat to Russia nor China as it is a defensive alliance.
Russia invaded Ukraine and Georgia and illegally occupies territory in those 2 nations in addition to Moldova. China is building islands in the South china sea and threatening their neighbors by distorting / lying about their claims and their lies and misuse of the UN charter and agreements they are a part of (like the EEZ and what constitutes sovereign territory).

The problem is not the west. The problem are those nations who cant stand democracy in any version and think they have a right to control the internal factors of another in their own favor - Like Russia in Ukraine / Georgia and Moldova and China with Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, Tibet and the Philippines.



LOL. I'm not going to address this post other then to quote it so people can see it and read it twice and see what ignorance and naivity is.
I hope others get as many laughs as I just did reading this garbage.

LOL, democracy. You wouldn't know what democracy is. You wouldn't know the origins and meaning of the word without first Googling it.



posted on May, 24 2015 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: mortex

So you launch a personal attack instead of engaging the points I made. I guess you cant refute it then.

As for what Democracy is -

Russia and China would be examples of what Democracy is not.


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posted on May, 24 2015 @ 06:56 AM
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double post
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posted on May, 24 2015 @ 06:58 AM
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a reply to: mortex

you've only shown yourself up to be fair! That's quite a sneering negative reply that adds nothing beyond being just nasty, playground style.

If you take offence at the points made, I can only assume you are laughing at the idea that we in the West have democracy

Compared to Russia and China, we are more democratic and free.
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posted on May, 24 2015 @ 07:23 PM
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Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) , crack downs on the occupy movement and their protests, classifying them as "domestic terrorists", media cartels, "embedding" of journalists in war areas...

Russia is not so different.



posted on May, 24 2015 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace
Hypothetically, if NATO did start a war, is the US obliged to back NATO?

Or any country for that matter?


NATO is a defensive group where if one is attacked they all are obligated to attack back in defense of said country. This is why so many NATO nations jumped into A-stan at the start. The U.S. was attacked on 9/11 and they were obligated to help, it was kind of a joke but if Russia attacks a NATO nation, even in the Baltic's, then look out cause every NATO nation will be striking back with everything they have short of Nukes until it looks like Putin is fueling his missiles. If he does then all bets are off, the US will unleash hell on Russia from space before France, Germany and Britain launch their own nukes on warning that missiles are launching out of Russia.

We have sensors and Cameras now on Satellites that can see a small object only six inches long on the ground, in great detail over a huge area so they wont get away with much before it is seen.



posted on May, 24 2015 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h



Well if that were true then why would the US and NATO wait until Russia became another big player, and not do it when Russia was ripe for the picking when they were in trouble in the early 90's?


Because they still had thousands of missiles they could launch. They were trying to business wise but Putin put a stop to that real quick.



posted on May, 24 2015 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h

Well if that were true then why would the US and NATO wait until Russia became another big player, and not do it when Russia was ripe for the picking when they were in trouble in the early 90's?


They tried.

www.zerohedge.com...
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