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NEWS ALERT: NATO threatens Russia amidst LIVE Fire Military Exercises

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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 01:40 AM
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a reply to: grayghost
well, here is the way the people actually see who is admirable
or not


The world's most popular politicians: Putin's approval rating hits 86%

www.independent.co.uk...
note the pro russian source LOL


CNN is Baffled Why Obama’s Approval Ratings Continue to Plummet. Here are 5 Reasons Why.

www.ijreview.com...
well under 50 percents

2014 U.S. Approval of Congress Remains Near All-Time Low

www.gallup.com...
like what 15 percent?

www.businessinsider.com...

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NATO Commander Lied Claiming “Russian Invasion of Ukraine”

www.globalresearch.ca...
maybe putin ain't the problem

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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 01:43 AM
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As for whether General Jens Stoltenberg warned Russia again on the 19th of this month?


NATO Secretary General meets Russian Foreign Minister

19 May. 2015
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Last updated: 19 May. 2015 15:23


The NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg met the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Sergey Lavrov at the Palais d'Egmont in Brussels on Tuesday (19 May 2015). The Secretary General restated NATO's position on Russia's illegal and illegitimate annexation of Crimea and its continued destabilisation of eastern Ukraine. He urged all parties to implement the Minsk agreements in full, and called on Russia to withdraw its troops and support for the separatists in eastern Ukraine. Stressing the importance of transparency and predictability related to military activities, Mr Stoltenberg voiced concern about the large number of snap exercises conducted by Russia. The Secretary General made clear that NATO's policy remains unchanged. As a result of Russia's aggressive actions in Ukraine, NATO decided in April 2014 to suspend all practical cooperation with Russia, while keeping open political channels of communications.

www.nato.int...



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 01:48 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

How is it sensationalist when the reported simply asked "Has NATO reached it's breaking point with Russia"?... It was made as a question. It wasn't presented as a statement made by NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg.

NVM, actually he did make it as a question and then he did state that the general had reached his breaking point. Yes, I do agree that part was sensationalist on his part.
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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 01:51 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

But wait.... Your first source said this:


In response to Putin, NATO raised the stakes. Wasting no time collecting nearly 13000 troops to flex their muscle on Russia's back door during Operation Hedgehog.


Which makes it sound like the Estonia training was in response to the comments made by Putin in April about NATO ending activity in the Baltic States. He is reported to have made that statement April 2nd. Not to mention that the 13,000 troops are Estonian, not from NATO.

But your RT source you just quoted shows that US armor arrived in Estonia almost a month before he said that, on March 14th, which would have had it in transit from the US as early as the end of January.

So how was this exercise in response to what Putin said in April, and responsible for pushing us closer to war again? And how was that not sensationalist?
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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 02:12 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

It is time likes this, one starts to wonder, if it was such a good deal by Obama to dismantle the missile-shield in Poland/Europe.

Was it not just few years back Mr Obama wanted to calm down Mr Putin, and as a gesture of good will offered Europe on silver plate, and took the missiles off?



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 02:28 AM
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originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
Let's take a closer look at this article, some weird site I've never heard of before, there's no actual and direct quotes being used and we have some rabid, sensationalist-seeking person blabbing on about this & that with no direct evidence.

I wouldn't hold out much hope on the credibility of this article


x2.
One false move? The NATO exercises and the Russian exercises aren't even near each other. A false move by either side in these exercises will result in an accident for that side. That's it.

NATO telling Russia, a sovereign country, to not hold exercises within it's own borders? As if Russia would give a crap what anyone has to say about what it does within it's own borders. IT neverhas and never will. Just like America would laugh at anyone who told them not to hold exercises within their own borders. It's laughable.

It's interesting though how the Ukraine crisis has fallen away from mainstream media coverage in general, as has the air campaign by the American lead coalition against ISIS. There's almost a dozen Australian FA18's deployed..and since they started the bombing and we got initial reports of their operations in the media, we haven't heard a peep in a while.

What's going on?



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 02:33 AM
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Just thought I would mention a little about the OP source, Triton Tv.


TritonTV is UC San Diego’s first and only student-run film studio and TV station. We offer UCSD students the opportunity to work in a professional production environment with no prior experience required. We train our members from scratch and provide them with the equipment and education they need to produce excellent videos.

TritonTV is an AS Service.


www.tritontv.com...

Not really a good source for actual news. And NATO has been discussing the problems in Ukraine with Russia since it has been happening from the start of the conflict.

NATO isn't anything other than a defensive alliance not an offensive one.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 03:04 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
But your RT source you just quoted shows that US armor arrived in Estonia almost a month before he said that, on March 14th, which would have had it in transit from the US as early as the end of January.

So how was this exercise in response to what Putin said in April, and responsible for pushing us closer to war again? And how was that not sensationalist?

Clearly this means the US has developed time travel.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 03:06 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Zaphod58
But your RT source you just quoted shows that US armor arrived in Estonia almost a month before he said that, on March 14th, which would have had it in transit from the US as early as the end of January.

So how was this exercise in response to what Putin said in April, and responsible for pushing us closer to war again? And how was that not sensationalist?

Clearly this means the US has developed time travel.


Do you think if I promise to give them a 50% cut, that they'll let me use the time machine and go back to a few years ago when here in Australia there was a Saturday Lotto draw for 100 million?



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 03:16 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

NATO sure doesn't act defensive. They come off looking more like aggressors.
second line



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: Dimithae

NATO MEMBERS. There's a difference. The NATO Alliance and NATO accords are defensive. You're confusing the two. A NATO member or members can be aggressive and it have nothing to do work NATO.

As for the Baltic States, they approached NATO, not the other way around.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 08:15 AM
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13,000 troops is a paltry amount compared to a lot of Russian exercises. At least twice in 2014 Russia held exercises numbering over 100,000. But, no, NATO is clearly the aggressive one.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

The 13,000 are Estonian too.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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NATO hasn't been sitting around either...

"Nato has successfully completed its anti-submarine warfare (ASW) exercise, Dynamic Mongoose, off the west coast of Norway, with the support of ten allied nations alongside partner nation Sweden.

The exercise was conducted by Allied Maritime Command (MARCOM) through Nato Submarine Command (COMSUBNATO) in collaboration with the Norwegian Navy.

The drill aimed to provide all participants with complex and challenging warfare training to enhance their interoperability and proficiency in anti-submarine warfare, as well as anti-surface warfare skills."

Sorce :
www.naval-technology.com...



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: AllSourceIntel
a reply to: bobs_uruncle
Stolenberb's statement ver batum via NATO's website.

I just met with Foreign Minister Lavrov and we discussed different issues, among them of course the situation in Ukraine and I re-stated the very strong NATO position on the illegal annexation of Crimea, but also on the very serious situation we see in eastern Ukraine. I underlined the importance of full implementation of the Minsk Agreements meaning respect for the ceasefire, full implementation of the ceasefire, the withdrawal of heavy weapons and of course full access for the OSCE monitors so they can monitor the implementation of the ceasefire.

I also called on Russia to withdraw all its troops and support for the separatists. We also discussed the importance of transparency and predictability especially in a situation where we have increased military presence along our borders. And for NATO it is important to do whatever we can to avoid that the incidents and the situation is spiralling out of control. And therefore we are very focussed on transparency related to all our exercises and we are fully transparent when it comes to when and where we are going to conduct exercises.

I also very much underline that we should strive for even more transparency and predictability and we are concerned about the large numbers of snap exercises conducted by Russia because this decreases transparency and predictability. Therefore the snap exercises, the numbers but also the size of the snap exercises, reduce predictability and transparency along our borders and I think we should try to change that by also the Russians being more transparent when it comes to their military activities.


We also addressed the question of lines of communications – military lines of communications. I stated that these lines of military communication between NATO and Russia – we keep them open and we check them. It is important to have these lines of communication and also they can contribute to more predictability and avoiding any misunderstandings.

So these were the main issues we discussed and NATO’s position remains unchanged. We have suspended all practical cooperation with Russia as a response to their behaviour in Crimea and Ukraine. But we are keeping the lines of political contact open and we will continue to do so. I met Foreign Minister Lavrov in Munich and now I met him here and there are regular contacts on both the diplomatic and political level between NATO and Russia. Thank you.


Lavrov has not issued a statement on the meeting yet, but when/if he does, it will be here, but he had this to say prior to the meeting:

Question: What are your expectations regarding the upcoming meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg? Are relations between Russia and NATO improving?

Sergey Lavrov: I met with Jens Stoltenberg at his request on the sidelines of the Munich Conference on Security Policy in February. A similar request was made in connection with my stay here in Brussels at a meeting of the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe. We never avoid contacts. These are, in fact, the reasons for today’s meeting.

The contacts and the mechanisms of interaction between Russia and NATO used to be very intensive and diverse, but the North Atlantic Alliance has frozen them. Let’s hear what they have to say to us.


Seems standard diplomacy to me.


Seems more like doom porn to me. "NEWS ALERT: NATO threatens Russia amidst LIVE Fire Military Exercises " as a headline. I mean seriously, threatens. LOL

Meanwhile NATO (the US) are running active Live Fire exercises in Estonia, but hey, that's OK. It's not big bad Russia doing it, it's TEAM AMERICA, scat for the masses. Ridiculous and hypocritical. NATO and the US should learn when it's appropriate to take action or to STFU. In any even, it looks like hoax/BS site and a lot of other tool-like sites are carrying this tripe, I guess just for sensationalism and ad revenue.

Cheers - Dave



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Chances are it revolves around the Russian spetnaz soldiers recently captured by Ukraine forces in Ukraine. They acknowledged they are Russian military and their documents show they are Russian military. however Moscow and their MoD denies they are Russian military. They went one step further by demanding Ukraine return them to Russia. Rightfully, Ukraine is holding them and charging them with terrorism and will not be giving them back to Russia.

Russia is torqued off, yet they are the ones who kidnapped the Ukraine pilot and the Baltic nation officer.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58

Which makes it sound like the Estonia training was in response to the comments made by Putin in April about NATO ending activity in the Baltic States. He is reported to have made that statement April 2nd. Not to mention that the 13,000 troops are Estonian, not from NATO.

But your RT source you just quoted shows that US armor arrived in Estonia almost a month before he said that, on March 14th, which would have had it in transit from the US as early as the end of January.

So how was this exercise in response to what Putin said in April, and responsible for pushing us closer to war again? And how was that not sensationalist?


It does look like as if the source is stating this was in response to the threat of nuclear war made by Putin. However, you should know that in reality this exercise is part of the show of force to Russia over what Russia has done to Crimea, and Ukraine.

However, first of all, this is the largest military exercise conducted in Estonia since WWII.

Second of all, not all participants are from the Estonian military. Nearly half of the participants are from other NATO allied Armed Forces.


Estonia’s largest-ever military exercise involving 13,000 soldiers kicks off (14)

5/4/2015 10:04 AM
Category: Politics

"Hedgehog", a two-week military exercise that takes place in different parts of the country, involves 13,000 soldiers, including reservists, conscripts, active-duty personnel, officials, Defense League members and allied troops.

In an unprecedented scale for Estonia, up to 7,000 reserve soldiers have been called up to participate in the largest military manoeuvres the nation has seen.
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Allied troops from eight different countries will also take part. They will be using artillery, tanks and fighter jets, including the US Abrams tanks, four US close air support A-10 Thunderbolt aircraft, four Royal Air Force’s Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets, and four Polish attack planes SU-22.
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news.err.ee...




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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 07:07 PM
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It is worth pointing out that this Hedgehog 2015 is an annual drill the Estonian's do every Spring (called Spring Storm). Yes, this is the biggest on record, but it's hardly a surprise for the Russians.

Also, it's also worth noting that Russia held it's own exercise near the Estonian border in response, of a similar size.

But, as for the OP - sensationalist bullcrap I'm afraid. It's also evident on this thread that many people have no understanding of what NATO is, what it does and the part member nations play within the Alliance.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

And the Baltic States are the ones setting these exercises up with NATO in response to Russia.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 07:27 PM
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So you do agree this exercise is in response to Russia's aggression then? Not to mention that the general didn't ask "could you please take your troops out". The general did make it a threat that Russia has to withdraw their troops from Ukraine and the support to separatists. It was a "diplomatic threat", but a threat it was. However, I do agree with you that some of the things the original source stated were sensationalist. I posted this, because it was the source I found.

You also shouldn't try to judge others when you yourself made a false statement by claiming that no NATO forces were involved. Estonia itself is a NATO ally, and 6,000 troops, including artillery and aircraft from 8 other NATO allied forces participated in this exercise as well.

You keep trying to be confrontational, and I don't understand exactly why.


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