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#WWJVD: Social Security Is Screwed!

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posted on May, 20 2015 @ 09:30 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura

I just love how politicians dip into programs that are being paid by taxpayers and than give this money away to people who don't pay into the system in which it was designed. I call this money laundering which is a criminal offense. If they dipped into it, than they need to fix it. Start dipping into their bloated military budget and stop paying it out to people who didn't pay into it!!!

City, State and Federal governments are doing the same thing with government worker's pensions. Employees pay into their pensions every pay check while these government entities don't hold up to their contractual agreements and contribute into it. They've also dipped into worker's pensions, and now there are pension short falls. Republicans are leading the way to cut pensions by 20% or are forcing workers to retire early in order to pay out smaller pensions.

Yet these same self-serving politicians wouldn't dare have anyone touch their lavish retirement pensions. Their salaries are well above the average salary of Americans and their health benefits are second to none.

When someone breaks a contractual agreement, they either pay what's due, or they're put in jail. Another example how our government thinks they're above the law. The American public are always screwed. If that isn't enough, they take the lives of our children to fight their wars.

How do we as Americans allow this to happen?

posted on May, 20 2015 @ 09:58 PM

originally posted by: Legman
a reply to: itsallmaya

btw is this the friggin wrestler?

Yes this is the former spec ops gov philanthropist entrepreneur Jesse "the body" Ventura, live in the flesh!!!!

He is in considered, by all accounts to be Chuck Norris lesser known twin brother.

He is the real deal, and yes, he is asking your opinion!!!

You know, the stuff somebody that is actually trying to fix things would do.

He is in fact a great person from my research, and actually cares about us "common" folks.

posted on May, 20 2015 @ 10:12 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura

Governor Ventura, I think that we should first off stop allowing SS to be treated as a "piggy bank" for pet projects.

Next, all fines from the banks "misdeeds"( if that's what we are calling outright theft by the banks these days) should be funnelled into it.

Also the same banks guilty of said "misdeeds" should give a prime interest rate on those funds, as they got to steal them and misuse that money for years before they got fined.

In their world, they knew they could make more off the money than the fines, thus after the fines it was a net gain for them.

This should be rectified by prime interest at a minimum, from the initial date if the transgression.

Thus it costs them money instead them gaining it.

On top of that, spending cuts from from the budget should also be funneled into it.

It makes little sense to structure the economy around it and let older generations profit from it, and then leave those of us paying into it holding the bag with no return.

This can be easily achieved at a net loss of zero simply by not raising the budget for a few years, allowing growth to outstrip debt.

If we spent the same at the fed level for 10 years we could wipe most of the debt and achieve a surplus at current growth rates.

Another 5 years at present spending levels and we would approach black ink for all liabilities.

So a decade and a half no I crease in spending.

That is all we would honestly need.

posted on May, 20 2015 @ 10:15 PM
I'm not worried about social security. I'm just going to find some dead veteran's widow and kids to sue for a few million dollars so I can live comfortably through retirement.
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posted on May, 20 2015 @ 10:16 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura

The sad fact is the whole economy of the Western world, relies on social security payments to operate . If the Dole payments. and pensions and sick pay, were withdrawn . In my country whole towns would collapse and have to leave the present economic system. Then the follow on effect would be , all Gov. employees, dealing with the payments would be out of work, most of the food suppliers would close their doors. Power suppliers would go bust due to lack of payment. Councils would become insolvent because of lack of income. The rubbish wouldn't get picked up. Need I say more. In fact the more money you can give people on Social payments the better , as they are consumers, who spend, and thus stimulate the economy. That wouldn't be too difficult as its all a big Ponzi scheme, already . The only reason why this isn't happening, is that everybody would go on the Social, and their wouldn't be anyone left to man the remaining jobs. The Rich would get pissed off as they wouldn't feel rich any more.

posted on May, 20 2015 @ 10:42 PM

originally posted by: itsallmaya
a reply to: Legman

Yep, governor too!

Oh... he was a better wrestler.

Cool to know this though. Ive seen some of his topics before.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 02:10 AM
a reply to: JesseVentura

Part of the problem we're seeing with this is that there are a lot younger people becoming disabled. Look at the autism rates, and other things that affect people who are young. I think the biggest thing "they" could do to start fixing social security is to start curing things like Diabetes type 1 and 2 (especially juvenile or type 1 diabetes), find a cure for autism, and other disabilities that typically affect YOUNG people.

I have said before that a lot of these diseases are considered "profitable" by the "industry". Since type 1 diabetes only affects 5% of ALL cases of diabetes, why don't they find a cure for that? I know that they SAY that they are trying(for almost a hundred years now), but we haven't seen it yet!

People that have autism or type 1 diabetes often have to go on disability, because of medical issues that arise from either disability. If they just found a way to fix those 2, then it would alleviate about $2 billion a year AT LEAST. It would probably equate to at least $10 billion a year in saved medical costs.

I think in the next few years, we will see things that reduce type 1 diabetes. I don't think they will ever "allow" a cure. Perhaps some supplemental islets to make the diabetes "less of a disability". Then, you have the rising rates of autism. I don't think the "cures" will arise fast enough to prevent the implosion of "the social security system".

It's sad to see that people are getting so sick at such a young age, and the rates of those diseases are continuing to rise. Maybe they should take a look at the idea that vaccines could be causing this type of damage? It's too late in my humble opinion...

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 05:11 AM
a reply to: JesseVentura

I only regret you are too old Jesse when revolution starts and we start cleaning house.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 05:53 AM

originally posted by: JesseVentura
This week, I reveal a new study showing that the health of social security has been dramatically overstated by billions of dollars. If legislators don’t take action soon, the program could be insolvent. Tune in to an all new #WWJVD on Off the Grid to find out whether Social Security is screwed or whether it can be fixed.

How would you salvage Social Security?

Scape the whole system. Government should NOT be responsible for your retirement.

1. Keep the SS deduction, but let the people funnel it into a 401K/TSP type account. (I love my TSP).
2. Because we have lots of people already on it and that have put into it for years we would have to bite the bullet for these people.
A. People already getting SS keep it until they die.
B. Link a life insurance policy to the account to cover survivor benefits.
C. For people that are currently working set a change over date to new "TSP" accounts. People to be broken down to two groups based on the number of years already in SS.
1. over the set # of years they have a choice to roll over the money from SS into the "TSP" or keep the SS and everything new goes into the "TSP".
2. Under the # of years the money is rolled over into the "TSP"
D. New people go directly into the "TSP" system.
E. Government has no access to these "TSP" funds but does monitor the system to make sure there is no hanky-panky. I would leave an option to allow people to invest in a government run system if they chose. (Expand the TSP system government employes use.Under this the government would have access to account, but the person would decide the disbursement of funds)
F. All other systems would need accreditation.
G. The "TSP" account rolls over into survivors accounts on the death of the primary.

This would be a financial hit in the first couple years to setup and payout the accounts, but after that the government/tax would drop to almost nothing.

Nope haven't thought about this at all.

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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 10:40 AM
Ya know some of us have listened to the video and are only trying to keep up with the posts. and well we might also have someone in the house sleeping that we don't wish to wake up! Why is it that when I muted my speakers, it was over ridden by the video? why is it that the video is starting up automatically and well seems to repeat itself.

I would love to follow this thread but think I will go elsewhere sorry!

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 10:49 AM

originally posted by: dawnstar
Ya know some of us have listened to the video and are only trying to keep up with the posts. and well we might also have someone in the house sleeping that we don't wish to wake up! Why is it that when I muted my speakers, it was over ridden by the video? why is it that the video is starting up automatically and well seems to repeat itself.

I would love to follow this thread but think I will go elsewhere sorry!

All of that happened because Jesse Ventura thrives on attention and set his videos to auto-play.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 12:08 PM
Ah, yes. The good old standby. SSI is crumbling. SSI won't be there in ten years. Words spoken every year from 1960 - 2015, yet there it is. Words that will be spoken from 2015-who knows when. The Planet X of finance doom porn.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 12:15 PM
Handouts? Handouts? I will have you know that hardworking people PAID into that system and deserve their money back. Handouts indeed.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 12:50 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura

I've known about this and Canada's shortcomings since 2008.

The US will hit it's debt ceiling next year and will start bouncing checks.

It's not the welfare recipients or elderly that you will need to worry about.

It's the veterans.

They don't get their check, they literally have no reason to continue supporting the government.
Just like after the Revolutionary War and the Bonus Army.
They didn't get paid and almost overthrew the government before federal troops were brought in.

I know personally of 6 Vietnam Green Berets and Marine LRRPs that will go down to the nearest VA office and shoot it up if they don't get their disability checks.
These are guys that got dropped into VC villages and told to spray and pray.
They will have no problem shooting a government official.

Same with Canada
The CPP is going to run out after all the immigrants and people retiring collect their money.

It's all coming together now.
You ask when is it going to be enough to make people wake up?

It'll be another 6 years before they do.
But, this time, we'll have the knowledge and skills to make sure this never gets repeated again.
After the 3rd revolution, the United States and Canada will become the greatest empire since Rome.
They will make the fire rise to the heavens, so that all may see what becomes of those who betray their people.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 04:53 PM
What does it matter? Once we were off the gold standard and then silver the Fed Reserve started printing money out of thin air. Of course all of this will collapse eventually. The system is designed to. But not until they've stolen every possible asset from us.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 11:43 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura

What sickens me to read all these posts about people whining "social security won't be enough to retire on". Is that no one has even taken it upon themselves to be responsible for their own wealth. Consider this:
Social security is merely a means to stay alive in retirement, the bare minimum. Why not invest in yourself- educate yourself about money, investing, financial insurances etc. I came from a middle class family that had no money, I've taken it upon myself to learn about what it takes to create wealth. Now stop your wining about how the gov should be looking after you and now LOOK AFTER yourselves!! Geeeze!!!

posted on May, 22 2015 @ 08:21 AM
Social Security is a Government program. Unless the US Government falls apart, Social Security will be given to the people that qualify for it. All this BS about Social Security not being there for people is a just a marketing government tool to raise the amount that one must pay into it. It's called "fear". People fall for it, then the government raises the amount of income earned that one must pay into it. Think about it, the military budget is unlimited, there's a reason for it. National security, and national security also includes paying out Social Security. Plan and simple.
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posted on May, 22 2015 @ 03:24 PM

originally posted by: itsallmaya
a reply to: Legman

Yep, governor too!

And a Navy SEAL. A fighter.

He's heard things that'll blow your mind.

Great vid, S&F

posted on May, 22 2015 @ 04:17 PM
Most of us are not even eligible to participate in the Social Security Program. It is a federal employee benefit program ONLY. It is not mandatory to participate in and you can withdrawal from the program at anytime and live a productive life. Any 'compelled' disclosure of an SSN or denial of service for not using one, is bunk and against the law. There are NO penalties for not participating.

Allow me to illustrate. The Issuing Authority for Social Security Cards is found in 20 CFR § 422.103. Title 20 of the Code of FEDERAL Regulations, is titled none other than: "Employee Benefits".

So, who are these "Employees"? To answer that we turn to 5 USC §2105(a)(1), (2). Which ONLY defines FEDERAL Employees. If you are not a federal employee, you are not eligible. Likewise, the actual social security number is the PROPERTY of the social security administration, says so on the card itself, and in 20 CFR §422.103(d). Social Security numbers are public property assigned to public offices and the officers that occupy them.

"Employee" is also defined in 26 USC §3401(c), 26 CFR §31.3401(c)-1. 5 USC §552a(a)(13) defined 'federal personnel' a cognate of 'employee'. In every case 'Employee' is defined strictly as public government employees.

You will notice that both definitions implicitly EXCLUDE anyone who is not a public officer or serving the functions of a public office. This is in line with the IRS 'trade or business' definition found in 26 USC §7701(a)(26) "The term 'trade or business' includes the performance of the functions of a public office." AND ONLY the functions of a public office, the common meaning of 'Trade" and 'Business" cannot be presumed from this statutory definition. The laws of statutory construction allow only for what is expressly stated.

The answer to the OP, is simply not participating in the program if you are other than a [federal] government employee. By Volunteering for the program, you are agreeing to perform the functions of a public office that is domiciled in the District of Columbia, act as a fiduciary, without compensation, for a perceived benefit you may not even receive. We are more than capable to plan for our own retirements.

On a side note, the form to withdrawal is SSA-521. The form to terminate fiduciary responsibility associated with a social security number is IRS form 56.

posted on May, 22 2015 @ 06:46 PM
a reply to: J.B. Aloha

If medicine was socialised, it would mean that doctors would suffer a drop in income. Because their would have to be more of them. They would also have to work a lot harder. So the reason that the majority of people in the States do not get adequate health care is because the medical profession wants to protect its high earner status. They maintain a stranglehold on health providing, because they can, and,because they are not in it for the love. So the rich will live longer and the poor will die earlier.

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