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ObamaCare Critic Gets Sick, Now He Wants ObamaCare

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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 12:55 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

What do we do about the millions of true middle class who had wonderful insurance they were pleased with 4 years ago and now, since Obamacare, have watched in horror as their premiums have quadrupled, their rates doubled, and their doctor choices halved? Obamacare raped the majority of America that had health coverage that was both affordable and useful. Instead we now have a socialized failure in which the majority have been left with less than they had (both in coverage and in money) and those who had no coverage prior really are taking it in the seat with effectively no coverage still, only now their lack of coverage mandates they make a monthly payment to the leeches in the insurance industry.




posted on May, 21 2015 @ 01:04 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
Hopefully one day we can be just like Greece...

So it seems your system has a perpetual tax increase to work, where do we stop, 35%, 50% 75% 100%?


At whatever it takes to fund the things we should be funding. Clinton did it right, he cut spending but we didn't really lose anything we couldn't afford to cut, and he even increased spending in some areas.

Let me ask you a question to establish a starting point. What should the federal governments annual budget be? Better yet, break it down by sector how much should each area get? For reference here's how it's broken down right now (rounded to the nearest billion):
Social Security - 857 billion
Defense - 621 billion
Welfare/Disability/etc - 542 billion
Medicare - 519 billion
Healthcare - 451 billion
Interest - 223 billion
Veterans benefits - 151 billion
Education - 100 billion
Transportation - 96 billion
Justice dept - 53 billion
Foreign Aid - 48 billion
Environment - 39 billion
Regional Development - 33 billion
Science, Space, and Technology - 29 billion
Agriculture - 23 billion
General government - 22 billion
Energy - 13 billion



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 01:07 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

socialist medicine can work..
sort of
i figured out my condition
and then later a successful treatment two days before my first disability check arrived
(6 months late)
err..lol
i have to pay the treatment(s) myself out of my meager check
but I CAN, so its all good
but as my Doctor said: whatever works: carry on

Obama care was INTENDED to screw the middle class out of existance
not to work

Jonathan Gruber ADMITTED That Obama Lied…They Knew It Would Not Control Costs!

dailycaller.com...

youz been grubered as they say


i got better healthcare here at ATS
thanks for that


re clinton did it right
nope
sorry, he did not
he did something similar in morality to what was done to greece:
he scammed the actual reserves into actual debts to make a "look good" moment
www.forbes.com...



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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 01:33 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: AllSourceIntel
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
So he blames everyone but himself?


Wow, when he changed parties he went all the way, didn't he?

It does not matter to me what party he associates with, or that he has changed his views. It does not matter to me that he has a gofundme page, and I am actually delighted fellow Americans are helping him out. I feel for the man and can understand his predicament, but I have to be honest when I say I would have more respect for him if he said something to the effect of "I have a serious health condition with no insurance and I am now in need of an expensive operation that I cannot afford because I allowed my political views to determine my health decisions and I am fully responsible." What matters to me is placing responsibility where responsibility ought to be placed, and that, is with himself. There are times when one should place their principles aside. Someone noted that he might have been refused insurance before the ACA due to a pre-existing condition, one that he was apparently warned of how bad it can get. I don't think anyone would blame a person for setting aside their principles and political views in favor of their health, that man should have jumped at the opportunity of the ACA. This isn't a partisan issue to me, it's an issue of rational thought and responsibility.

I don't like everything about the ACA, nor have I signed up for it, but I was smart enough before it came into affect to sign up for health care through my county/state since I was eligible while I was a student at the time and had no income.
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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 01:38 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Xtrozero

What do we do about the millions of true middle class who had wonderful insurance they were pleased with 4 years ago and now, since Obamacare, have watched in horror as their premiums have quadrupled, their rates doubled, and their doctor choices halved?


I'm one of them and I wish it was only quadrupled....



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Relax, you got compensated more than that by the removal of the estate tax. Am I wrong?



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 03:37 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Awesome post and replies.. Didn't laugh so hard for a long time..

Oh no I am so retarded..
I read Obama got sick now he wants Obamacare and all the replies to that...
especially the one where it says Muslim converting to Islam.
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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

That is my problem.
Think Progress is the questionable source here.

Remove their "reporting" of his political backing and you have just another irresponsible adult that didn't do the adult thing.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: intrepid

Wait....this guy is now a Conservative?? Did Think Progress also report that?



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: macman
That is my problem.


You're right. It is YOUR problem.



Think Progress is the questionable source here.


Is Raw Story also a questionable source?
Is The Detroit Free Press also a questionable source?
Is there ANY source you wouldn't "have a problem" with?
Would FOX News be the ONLY source you would trust?

How about The Charlotte Observer?



“I do hold myself partly responsible because of the view that I had. I should have taken better care of my sugar,” he said. “Yeah, I should have had insurance.”

Are you just going to keep complaining about the source? Or do you have anything of substance to add to the thread?

Since you clearly haven't read the articles, Luis Lang WAS a Republican and after realizing how messed up his party is, by standing in the way of Obamacare, he has changed his party to become a Democrat.

I'm sorry that I can't seem to find that FOX is carrying this story, not surprisingly. And if you still have a problem, you're just going to have to deal with it yourself.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Nothing political about this. Television, in keeping with the standard it has set for itself, sought out one of the morons who walks among us and gave them some attention. Being a moron, he acted out a little more than he normally would (you know, playing it up for the TV and pandering for more attention).



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Nothing political about this.


Not sure I understand your point. If it needs to be in a different forum, please move it.

I'm not really trying to make any point with this story. I just thought it was interesting. I feel sorry for the guy. He thought he was doing the right thing and made some bad choices (don't we all?) and now he's getting help, which I'm glad about.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Think Progress is the source........that is the issue.

It is a story of someone that didn't do the big boy thing and is paying the price.

Think Progress spun it as some Republican that has seen the light. Bull$hit!! All of the other media sources are reporting what Think Progress reported.

You might as well have provided a story authored by Killary Clinton about banking ethics.

And I guess GoFundMe.com has now turned into the virtual underpass where people beg for money?



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

And the slight about Fox news being my trusted source?? really?

Go get a clue and actually research a little bit about where I pull info from and what I stand for.
Or, like every Progressive here, assume that I am a Republican and watch Fox.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

From your quoted source:


I’m in the situation I’m in because they chose not to expand Medicaid for political reasons. And I know I’m not the only one.


No, apparently he's in the situation he's in because he made poor decisions on his timing and personal healthcare. It's not because of any political party.

Another example of proof that Congress can't legislate personal responsibility, but can always be blamed for a lack thereof.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: macman
Think Progress spun it as some Republican that has seen the light. Bull$hit!! All of the other media sources are reporting what Think Progress reported.


Oh! I see. You're butt hurt because a Republican turned on the party. So, you complain about the source. Got it. Thanks for your input.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
No, apparently he's in the situation he's in because he made poor decisions on his timing and personal healthcare. It's not because of any political party.


Some GOP states have refused the Medicaid extension for political reasons (because it was part of ObamaCare). Yes, the guy made some bad decisions (as I have said) and when he wanted to get Medicaid, he found his state had refused it. I can't fault him for blaming the GOP for not thinking about the people of their state.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: GodEmperor


Health is not a right, if a person wants to be healthy they can take steps to ensure that health, and even going so far as to train themselves in medicine and basic/advanced treatment.


That seems like an amazingly simplified view. You do realize there are many diseases people can get that are entirely out of their control, right? Or maybe you just mean that if someone gets a tumor or something they should train themselves to remove it on their own?

Many countries have better healthcare than America. The US is pretty far behind in this area. People say doctors get paid so much because the amount of money and time they have to spend on their education. Well, if education wasn't so expensive that would help with that.

Not only is our healthcare system lagging behind, so is the education system.

www.attn.com...



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Who's butthurt??

In order to by butthurt, I would need to have a tie to the GOP. But......like every Progressive here, you keep assuming that I am a republican.


And turning on the GOP??? He sounds like someone that blames everyone else for his plights in life, thus making him a better fit for the Democrats.



posted on May, 21 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: Pimpish

Please show me and everyone else where any founding documents outline healthcare as a Right of the People.




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