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Sweden is now rewarding ISIS fighters

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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 05:46 AM
a reply to: HumansEh

Europe was too prosperous and homogeneous, they had to introduce some disorder. Order out of chaos as they say.

When the Muslim population reach a certain level they'll be painted as the enemy and used to introduce further police state measures.

Some European leaders already seem to be laying the groundwork for this view, talking about the failure of multiculturalism and similar things. They'll have a fifth column that will conveniently have to be fought, perhaps in addition to an external enemy, i.e. endless war in the Middle East(?).

I might be delusional but I really think they are that devious. It also conveniently divides the population. What you have to understand about Sweden is that we really haven't had any real political division up until very recently. The 7 main parties are more or less the same social democrats with minor cosmetic differences. In 2015 it's all about immigration and this question has more or less polarized the whole population and radicalised minor or even major elements..

We've imported friction in an attempt to stem an almost endless tide of poor third worlders. In the end it won't make a difference, by 2100 the population of Africa will have quadrupled to 4 billion people and by then this naive experiment will be over and Europe as we know it will be no more.

Though one wonders if a mass die-off isn't also in the works.. I think they might be waiting for the robotics revolution to kick in and are in the meantime taking advantage of the technological progression that comes with a massive population. This game is played on multiple levels though and they might not be as well-informed and powerful as they would like to believe. They are also on a need-to-know basis.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 10:38 AM

I just finished reading this article and I thought I would post it here for anyone that has an interest in the political climate of Sweden. The translation is painfully rudimentary of course but it should suffice to convey some sense of how things work over here.

Thought I would post a quite enlightening quote from another article I'm currently reading. This is what passes for serious political talk in Sweden:

In the debate yesterday the social democratic member of parliament Azadeh Rohjan Gustafsson defended the ISIS soldiers and talked about not stigmatizing those that belong to the terrorist group.

- "They should return to our society and not be stigmatized" she said.

- It's obvious that radicalisation and Islamism isn't something that disappears by itself but it doesn't disappear if one sits in prison for a long time either.

This is mentally ill levels of liberalism, these people have disconnected entirely from reality. The meta-level of political belief in this country is seriously skewed, these people are as brainwashed as the ISIS members themselves. And incidentally and ironically they make great bedfellows too. The cognitive dissonance between such extreme tolerance and such extreme intolerance should make everyone raise their eyebrows. But no, it is the new normal, such blatant and irrational inconsistencies is merely part of the ideological dogma that has become the new state religion of Sweden. If Sweden were diagnosed and judged by the DSM-IV it would be diagnosed as a severely delusional individual probably with an utterly convoluted and contradictory narcissistic mental complex.

People are waking up though. The oppositional party that had a mere 2,93% of the votes in 2006 now had 19,7% in the latest poll. In time I expect them to become the largest party which at this time is the social democrats with around 26%.

Interesting times at the very least.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 02:31 PM
a reply to: TheLaughingGod

As a Swede, I can tell you the "mentaly illnes" among politians and media is far worse than you could imagen. Everyone I know from formely Left Party, Socialist Democrats, to the slightly more right "Moderaterna" is so pi$$ed of about this countrys reckless immigration politis they say they are gonna vote for the oppistiional party next time and deeply regretting not doing it last year. People here can't even ask a simple question about anything negative about immigration issues without the media and political correct hippies literaly hang you out in media, pulling the rasist-card.
Let me list a few issues I find a bit.. "strange", besides this embarrassing ISIS-issue, and tell me if I'm a rasist for questioning this:

Alot of people coming here (almost 100% from Somalia) have no id-papers at all, yet they are allowed to stay here.
And! A immigrant with no paper (I belive every other, sane country, call them illegal immigrants) they get the benifit of free (about 10 dollars) health care AND dental care. There are many poor elders in Sweden, who has been working hard all their life but still have to pay or get bad teeth, at the same time illegal imegrants walk past them in line and dont pay anything (in most cases they dont even pay the 10 dollar fee)

About 5-10% of people coming here are refugees. The rest immigrants. Yet they all are treated the same and are all called refugees by polititians.

We get what you call "lonely refugee children" that get stay and they get the theoretical part of the driving lisence for free. Alot of poor youngsters in Sweden cant afford that and get no help.
Also, there is absolutly no control what so ever regarding the real age of these children. In some cases they look about 30 and even have huge beards. They dont need to show id.

In Sweden, we no longer use vaccine for TBC, yet we have seen outbreaks in Sweden lately, from TBC. Some countries are regarded as high risk countries because of TBC, yet there is absolutly no control what so ever on people coming here from those same countries. Apoarently, beeing political correct is more important than preventing an outbreak of TBC.

Jews are recomended NOT to travel to Malmö because there are alot of hate, spitting, rocks thrown beatings etc. etc. Yet no one hardly mention that this hate is mostly from islamists. In media the skinheads gets the blame. (I have hardly not seen a skinhead since the 90s)

The situation with beggars from Romania is snowballing out of control, yet the politicians do NOTHING but expects the people to put up with them building smal villages out of trash and destroying old parks and forrests. In one camp that was cleaned up after they left, 120!!! tons of garbage had to be shipped out from that site. There was literaly fieces all over the site. In many cases, these beggars dont have id, yet they too are allowed to use our dental care and health care. It is against the law to throw garbage around you un Sweden, yet the police do NOTHING. In one case, the landowner wanted a big camp to leave his property but he got NO help. He was even told to PAY fines because his property looked line a dump.

Let me say that again:
Beggars took a part of his land in possession. Turned it into a small village built from scraps. With no toilets, they shat all over the place.
That land owner wanted them to leave. Got NO help.

He now has to PAY to get the place cleaned up, because he is responsible for his land. And the beggars still live there, complaining no one is helping them clean up.

This is how it now looks in most citys in Sweden.

If you got the image of Sweden as a green nice clean country with blonds, you are in for quit a shock if you get here. (The blond part was stereotypical, but in many areas in Sweden, people dont even speak swedish anymore)

But if you complain about this. Or even as much as talk a bit negative about it, you are a racist and right wing/skinhead according to the political correct media and politians.

One of our ministers, "minister of homes" or what it would be called, once said that when people go to fight together with ISIS, it is just the same as when Swedes was going to Finland to help them in the Winter War against Sovjet.
Last time I read the history book, the people of Finland has very little in common with ISIS... But not according to Mehmet Kaplan, Swedish minister of housing..

Sorry for ranting but I am literally writing this in anger.

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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 02:48 PM
a reply to: JesperA

That's insane. There are PLENTY of Europeans who would love the chance to form part of Swedish society and benefit from it. Plenty who haven't raped and killed. Why the hell is this even a reality. Who is the idiot who saw this through?

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 03:08 PM
a reply to: tadaman

Our Minister of State keeps repeating the same mantra: Sweden would not make it without immigrants, we would not grow, we need them. Yet he time after time fails to explain just what we would not be able to do without what we seeing now. Sweden takes 3 times as many immigrants as Norway, Denmark and Finland - COMBINED!!!
I think only Gernany and France have more, but consider Sweden is only 9 million people... We are watching pre school loosing money, school results dropping like a stone, unemployment rate in some areas are extreme. Yet they keep saying we should open our hearts and accept even more.
Would it not be better to concentrate on the 5-10% that actually are seeking refugee??? Accepting alot less immigrants would benefit those who really DO need help alot imo.
We have had several incidents lately with immigrants refusing to leave the buss tjey arrive in, because the refugee centre wasnt close enough to the city... We open our hearts and wallets, and they just thank us with complaining they dont get to live central..

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 04:32 PM

originally posted by: JesperA
Yeah i almost threw up writing that topic but unfortunately it is 100% true

Except it's not true, and we all know it.

Anyone who has actually bothered to read about this, and not simply trusting the ranting echo chamber of the right wing nutters, will know that this is far more complex and sensible than you and they are making it out to be.

The main issue here is that no one know what these people were supposedly guilty of, or whether they were guilty of anything at all.

Secondly, the program is about rehabilitation, which goes much further than this notion of "handing them other peoples jobs" (which, btw, is the same bs lie every right-wing hate group across the world uses to encourage racism and xenophobia toward anyone not "pure" of nationality).

Thirdly, what is the alternative?
Lock everyone up in some kind of concentration camp?
Charge them with random crimes just to keep the right wingers happy?
Eject them from the country, to go to the US, or another European nation where they'll just be more angry and potentially find another violent cause to join?

Really, I would love to know what people think is the more appropriate solution here, because I can bet you any money you'd be ranting about that too. This is a no-win situation.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 04:41 PM
I really concur with your view here and in your previous post. Insightful and I agree entirely. People are being duped big time. Its just like handing costume jewelry to native American people for swathes of land...just a modern rendition and context.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 04:45 PM
What a bunch of of malarky. They joined a group of people to mass kill other people...enjoy your utopia as it only will exist in your God...people have had it to easy. Rehab killers? Have at it just leave me and my family out of your insane experiment. reply to: Rocker2013

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 04:48 PM

originally posted by: BlueJacket
What a bunch of of malarky. They joined a group of people to mass kill other people...enjoy your utopia as it only will exist in your God...people have had it to easy. Rehab killers? Have at it just leave me and my family out of your insane experiment. reply to: Rocker2013

Yes, neo liberal progressives actually think this way!

The committed are now running the asylum.

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 04:59 PM
a reply to: JesperA

Here''s something along the same lines - only in Denmark:

But while other countries are sending their jihadists to court – last month 46 suspected jihadists went on trial in Belgium – the Danes are tackling the problem in an innovative way, by sending them to psychiatrists and assisting in reintegration with the help of their families.

"Our main principle is inclusion" said Preben Bertelsen, a professor of psychology at the University of Aarhus, who has played a leading role in the so-called Aarhus model for jihadist deradicalisation.

"What motivates these young people is not that far from the motivation the rest of us have: a decent life. For them, joining Isis is fighting for utopia, fighting for a place where they're wanted.

"We're not stigmatising them or excluding them. Instead, we tell them that we can help them get an education, get a job, re-enter society."

On a national level, the Danish government recently announced the launch of an "exit centre" for people keen to leave extremist groups. While fighters are screened, and those who have committed crimes are dealt with by the courts, the rest of the returnees are given the option of reintegration.

This is the way forward. If certain parts of the world don't want to face a 100 year war filled with nothing but what we're looking at now, we will need to rethink our approach

Do you think you understand why these young people run off to join ISIS? Do you think you understand why they want to come back? Do you know how ISIS does it's recruiting?

The way to end war is to remove incentives for war

Inclusion really is the only way out

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posted on May, 21 2015 @ 05:00 PM
My friend I am utterly flabbergasted at whats going on. People havent had to scrap for their existence over the last couple decades and it has made a throng of soft minded fools poised to run the world. God where do people with sense go to live if these kind of fools actually continue to gain sway? Egads!. eply to: infolurker

posted on May, 21 2015 @ 11:25 PM
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

While there may be merit to the idea in certain cases we're still looking at a clash of civilisation. And in the eyes of Europeans a massive population replacement. It will remain a cultural war and the stakes will continue to be raised by an by any standards extreme immigration policy. I will stand by my people and my culture in the face of this inverted colonialism to the death if that's what it takes. We're not giving up Europe without a fight and we're not handing them the keys to the lands that we have fought for for thousands of years just to satisfy some smug cultural elite that is completely oblivious to reality.

Conflict is preprogrammed and while it may be a clever manipulation the chaos and the conflict will still be for real.

They're creating enclaves - no go zones and stoning police and ambulance now at only a few percentage of the population. How do you think the situation will look when they're a third of the population in 2030? When they're half the population in 2050? It sure will necessitate a police state won't it. Shouldn't this quite obvious trajectory be clear to us ATS'ers?

Want a war with the Muslim world? Take the war to the home of the decadent and apathetic westerners. That'll make them approve of another more serious round of endless war in the Middle East and North Africa. There'll be plenty of fifth columnists to go around. We're really just along for the ride, useful idiots of different colours, almost all of us play their game, we pretty much have to. Forgive the cliché, but the matrix is all around us. And the general population don't pay any heed to ramblings of any such vast fantastic conspiracies.. it is the stuff of fiction yet I wonder if it isn't true after all.

What's the real end game we're looking at here?

posted on May, 22 2015 @ 12:50 AM
a reply to: TheLaughingGod

What's the real end game we're looking at here?

You tell me -

the OP is upset that Sweden would foolishly offer returning ISIS members a safe haven. He (and many others) thinks they're being rewarded for bad behavior

You seem to think we're being played and that the end game is some kind of inevitable doom being brought to us by forces too great to be overcome

I disagree with both of you
Sometimes the only way out is in

We will never have peace until the incentives for war are removed. What the Danes and Swedes are attempting goes against the grain for those that think some kind of victory can be had by never ending retribution and vengeance

Offer people a chance for a better future, work, health - peace... even if we were actually being manipulated by nearly omnipotent powers (ha!) this approach is the only chance of seeing the whole thing come undone

You've seen what the USA has unleashed in the Middle East - you still think the Scandinavians are stupid?

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posted on May, 22 2015 @ 01:37 AM
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Yes, Scandinavians are stupid or more specifically naive and Swedes take the price. If you don't live here it really is hard to convey. I could cite examples but where I would see suicidal behaviour you would see tolerance. Tolerance isn't worth sh#t when the tolerant people and culture is being systematically replaced by an intolerant culture.

I've seen the repercussions of the wars in the Middle East, after all, we are saddled with a much greater stream of immigrants than probably any other country in the world, proportionally that is. US bombs the place and we get stuck with the refugees. You could import millions of immigrants and absorb them without fundamentally transforming the nation, and indeed you do. We're talking about a population of 9 million people here though, with about a hundred thousand immigrants coming each year. That's about 1% of the population, do the math. How long until our country is another muslim satellite?

How do you honestly see that playing out when muslim youth are already in a low intensive conflict with the authorities? What do you see happening when their population reaches 30-50%? I want answers. I never get an answer for that question, I can't remember a reasonable rebuttal at all.

Do you have any consideration at all for a sovereign people and a sovereign culture or is it all to be expended at a whim and be sacrificed on the altar of tolerance and compassion? All for a people that in general show little respect or regard to their adopted country. An immigrant group could scarcely show less respect than the MENA immigrants in Sweden have done these last 20 years.

One doesn't have to be omnipotent when the general populace are both too ignorant and too busy to really have any clue. Let's be honest, when was the last time the general populace ever had a clue about anything and wasn't generally in the thrall of their particular paradigm of thought and thus easily manipulated by powerful interests? When was this magical time? Our current materialistic fantasy? People are mental and physical slaves and being naive and unsuspecting will only further one's demise.

This is the story of the scorpion and the frog.. so yes, the frog is stupid.

posted on May, 22 2015 @ 05:56 AM
Sweden is a mess, its under the radar but its slowly turning in to the slum of Europe. I feel so sorry for the Swedish, but they need to get rid of this left wing government that has slowly been destroying them.

posted on May, 22 2015 @ 03:43 PM
a reply to: SecretFace

We are a very tolerant people. Even the old norse, contrary to the "barbaric vikings" people tend to belive, had a very high torelance and respect to other cultures. BUT only if the respect was in both directions. The first capital of Sweden, Birka, even had a churc build. Not because the norse wanted to convert, but out of respect for the christian traders living there. They let preachers travel the land just as long as they didnt interfere with the norse peoples religion. When Saint Eskil was slain by norse pagans, it was because he basicaly walked into a "churc" of Odin, and kicked down norse symblos. He was killed on the spot.

We have a saying in Sweden that hot tempered people have a short fuse. Most swedes have a very long fuse. But the longer the fuse, the bigger the bomb. I have a gut feeling this is not going to end well. The people of Sweden are not the left twisted idiots that you see control the media, even if alot of us simply take the short cut and dont look for facts much deeper than the tabloids. We have become lazy. But everyone I talked to who get the insight behind what is realy going on, get so angry and sad. They simply did not know what is going on.

Just today I read that the Swedish SÄPO (kind of like fbi) was very worried about the fact that so many "swedes" are going back and forth to ISIS. They even said: "If this escalates, we are not going to make it"

And at the same time, media tries their best to make everything look wonderfull, so many of the immigrants are highly educated and we cant make it without them, we should give free health care, let them cut the line to find homes (we have a big shortage of homes in Sweden. Many people cant find an apartment) it was actually suggested by polititians that immigrants should not have to wait in line for a home, like the swedes are suppoused to do. Just let them have it, and let the kind swede wait a bit longer.

Another thing I dont know if you heard about is this: Now, imagen, as an American, you would be told this:

On your national day, you are not allowed to play or sing your national anthem. Because immigrants might be offended.
Yes, in many schools in Sweden, our own fcking nationall anthem, was BANNED from our own fcking national day, in our own fcking country!!!
This was some years ago, but you get the mentallity of our media and goverment....

How would you Americans react, if at the 4th of July, you could not sing your national anthem, and if you waved the stars and stripes, people would call you a racist???

posted on May, 28 2015 @ 01:48 AM

originally posted by: DrumStickNinja

originally posted by: NthOther
I wonder what the bikini team thinks of all this.

Ankle!! I see Ankle!!!
What do you want from that girl ? does she pose any threat to you ? is she taking away your freedoms ? so what , she doesn't like you to see her belly button . is that a crime ? isn't that her inevitable right ?

ankle ankle , damn straight ankle . its her God given right to cover her body if she wants to .

posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 10:18 PM
a reply to: haman10

What if she doesn't want to cover up but has to or face prosecution. Is that her God given right too?

posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 06:23 AM
I am interested to know if Sweden has past the point of no return.
It seems that many European countries are starting to wake up.
Not Sweden.

posted on Jul, 26 2015 @ 07:04 AM
a reply to: haman10

What do you want from that girl ? does she pose any threat to you ? is she taking away your freedoms ? so what , she doesn't like you to see her belly button . is that a crime ? isn't that her inevitable right ?
ankle ankle , damn straight ankle . its her God given right to cover her body if she wants to .

There is no problem if you assume that this is what she really wants. I mean, it's retarded, but it is her right to cover herself.
Thing is, it is equally possible, that she wants to take it off but can't as she is bound by cultural and religious norms.
Women in strict Islamic societies are punished on a daily basics, for expressing their own will.
If a girl tries showing up on a beach with out a burqini, in Iran for example, she will face harsh punishment.

How I Survived 40 Lashes - The crime? Wearing a miniskirt — in the privacy of a friend's home — in Iran.

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