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ISIS Counterpunch Stuns U.S. and Iraq

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posted on May, 18 2015 @ 06:50 PM
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I've said it in other posts.

I mean We...US and other countries have bombed the living daylights out of them. They've lost decisive battles and yet they still win. HOW? They must have Military Geniuses the likes of the Ancient Chinese, Napoleon and others leading them. There should be courses taught at WestPoint on the Military tactics and strategy of ISIS/IS/ISIL. If not for the fact that everyone hates them they could rule the world.




posted on May, 18 2015 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Problem 1 20 soldiers needed per insurgent per recommendations
Problem 2 assymetrical warfare is traditionally a special forces perogative
Problem 3 civil and popular administration winning of hearts and minds the US isnt too good at bar for special forces

Problem 4 20000 to 31500 ISIS fighters =400 000 to 630 000 special forces required only 72000 available.Yes the marines or
army could probably clock them but the casualties will be horrendous,they want to fight us

edit on 18-5-2015 by khnum because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: khnum

And sending ground troops into ISIS territory will stop any possible terror attack how? I'm not saying nothing should be done about ISIS, but putting boots on the ground wouldn't solve the deeper, cultural issues in the area, it would just add fuel to the flames, and guarantee a steady flow of future terrorists. We are not going to change a populations outlook on life by shooting at them.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: Syyth007

see my post above I agree,this genie might be too far out of the bottle



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: amazing

Problem 1 20 soldiers needed per insurgent per recommendations
Problem 2 assymetrical warfare is traditionally a special forces perogative
Problem 3 civil and popular administration winning of hearts and minds the US isnt too good at bar for special forces

Problem 4 20000 to 31500 ISIS fighters =400 000 to 630 000 special forces required only 72000 available.Yes the marines or
army could probably clock them but the casualties will be horrendous,they want to fight us


I don't think it needs to be us though. We can lead some air strikes, Iraq has areas that it will actually defend. Jordan and other countries and lets not forget the kurds. We don't need to fight a campaign like that. we need to think out side the box and do our air superiority and logistical support. I don't want anymore troops over there ever.

If you guys knew any of our troops that got wounded over there and heard their horror stories you'd think the same way.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 07:58 PM
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If they want to stop this ISIS groups, they could do it by putting real pressure against their sugar daddies but i have wild guess that the money and equipments, heck even orders comes from the same offices that supposedly are trying their hardest to stop em...



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 08:39 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: St Udio

1.In world war 2 we did not run away
2.In world war 2 we had steel purpose,resolve and will

My prediction for the middle east = Pol Pot Redux



This is a fair analysis.

Iran will have its proxy ISIS gear up the pain to justify its further meddling in the region. Lack of US real support is just driving Iraq into the arms of Iran.

So we liberated Iraq.....yep, yep......and handed them over to their enemies.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 08:54 PM
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People, people we have a self fulfilling prophecy of those zombie movies out of Hollywood….ISIS members are the murderous zombies.


They are worst than zombies.


In Islam, which I grew up in, there was NEVER any talk about going around killing Kafr’s…this is something new, something, bizarre, something evil...


These people are created out of the tradition of Nazism, Genghis Khanism, the worst of the Conquistadors genociding the Native Americans, they are the KKK, and they are brutal savages of zombie like self deceived beasts

They wont stop because they are brainwashed to believe God is on their side

Who will kill you and your momma, you wife, children and everything you hold dear

And this aint no neocon talking


We are in a war of life and death that the sane people of the world BETTER COME TOGETHER TO EXTERMINATE THESE ZOMBIES or this may be the beginningof the end of the world as we know it

edit on 18-5-2015 by Willtell because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
I've said it in other posts.

I mean We...US and other countries have bombed the living daylights out of them. They've lost decisive battles and yet they still win. HOW? They must have Military Geniuses the likes of the Ancient Chinese, Napoleon and others leading them. There should be courses taught at WestPoint on the Military tactics and strategy of ISIS/IS/ISIL. If not for the fact that everyone hates them they could rule the world.


The reason ISIS is gaining are these:


We have no organized group fighting them. It’s a disorganized mob of different interests… No unified command. Any body with any modicum of military insight can see that this won’t work…
We need a unified commander to have under their commend the Iraqis, Syrians, Kurds, Iranians. Just like we had in WWII under Eisenhower to fight Hitler

Obama is an unmitigated idiot and almost should ne impeached as his leadership is criminally deficient.


Military men are laughing and the others are crying over this incompetent, non- workable “coalition” that Obama is running

The Iraqi troops are tired of war (they have been fighting wars for 20 years)

They have a Shia Sunni sectarian division where the Shia are oppressing the Sunnis


Bottom line there is no leadership for the "coalition"

What this means is that even if we beat ISIS with this flimsy coalition( a miracle will have to happen) it will produce something worst than ISIS...simply because it will be done half ass

Since when do you half ass fight a Hitler, a Napoleon, a Ghenghis Khan, someone intent on genocide


Look at history. What defeated the Nazis: a unified powerful coalition that totally destroyed them

What defeated the Japanese? The same concept


With this flimsy coalition ISIS will never be destroyed.

Its clear the Arabs don't have the incentive to fight ISIS, only Iran and Syria does, therefore Obama should make a pact with them and tell the Arabs to go f___ themselves along with the Turks

That's what A REAL LEADER would do, something Obama is not

A real leader like a Lincoln, a Roosevelt, an Eisenhower, a Kennedy
edit on 18-5-2015 by Willtell because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: amazing
I've said it in other posts.

I mean We...US and other countries have bombed the living daylights out of them. They've lost decisive battles and yet they still win. HOW? They must have Military Geniuses the likes of the Ancient Chinese, Napoleon and others leading them. There should be courses taught at WestPoint on the Military tactics and strategy of ISIS/IS/ISIL. If not for the fact that everyone hates them they could rule the world.


The reason ISIS is gaining are these:


We have no organized group fighting them. It’s a disorganized mob of different interests… No unified command. Any body with any modicum of military insight can see that this won’t work…
We need a unified commander to have under their commend the Iraqis, Syrians, Kurds, Iranians. Just like we had in WWII under Eisenhower to fight Hitler

Obama is an unmitigated idiot and almost should ne impeached as his leadership is criminally deficient.


Military men are laughing and the others are crying over this incompetent, non- workable “coalition” that Obama is running

The Iraqi troops are tired of war (they have been fighting wars for 20 years)

They have a Shia Sunni sectarian division where the Shia are oppressing the Sunnis


Bottom line there is no leadership for the "coalition"

What this means is that even if we beat ISIS with this flimsy coalition( a miracle will have to happen) it will produce something worst than ISIS...simply because it will be done half ass

Since when do you half ass fight a Hitler, a Napoleon, a Ghenghis Khan, someone intent on genocide


Look at history. What defeated the Nazis: a unified powerful coalition that totally destroyed them

What defeated the Japanese? The same concept


With this flimsy coalition ISIS will never be destroyed.

Its clear the Arabs don't have the incentive to fight ISIS, only Iran and Syria does, therefore Obama should make a pact with them and tell the Arabs to go f___ themselves along with the Turks

That's what A REAL LEADER would do, something Obama is not

A real leader like a Lincoln, a Roosevelt, an Eisenhower, a Kennedy


But remember that Obama doesn't rule the world. It's not all on his shoulders nor is he leading a coalition. All I know is that we don't need troops on the ground. No matter what.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: amazing
I've said it in other posts.

I mean We...US and other countries have bombed the living daylights out of them. They've lost decisive battles and yet they still win. HOW? They must have Military Geniuses the likes of the Ancient Chinese, Napoleon and others leading them. There should be courses taught at WestPoint on the Military tactics and strategy of ISIS/IS/ISIL. If not for the fact that everyone hates them they could rule the world.


The reason ISIS is gaining are these:


We have no organized group fighting them. It’s a disorganized mob of different interests… No unified command. Any body with any modicum of military insight can see that this won’t work…
We need a unified commander to have under their commend the Iraqis, Syrians, Kurds, Iranians. Just like we had in WWII under Eisenhower to fight Hitler

Obama is an unmitigated idiot and almost should ne impeached as his leadership is criminally deficient.


Military men are laughing and the others are crying over this incompetent, non- workable “coalition” that Obama is running

The Iraqi troops are tired of war (they have been fighting wars for 20 years)

They have a Shia Sunni sectarian division where the Shia are oppressing the Sunnis


Bottom line there is no leadership for the "coalition"

What this means is that even if we beat ISIS with this flimsy coalition( a miracle will have to happen) it will produce something worst than ISIS...simply because it will be done half ass

Since when do you half ass fight a Hitler, a Napoleon, a Ghenghis Khan, someone intent on genocide


Look at history. What defeated the Nazis: a unified powerful coalition that totally destroyed them

What defeated the Japanese? The same concept


With this flimsy coalition ISIS will never be destroyed.

Its clear the Arabs don't have the incentive to fight ISIS, only Iran and Syria does, therefore Obama should make a pact with them and tell the Arabs to go f___ themselves along with the Turks

That's what A REAL LEADER would do, something Obama is not

A real leader like a Lincoln, a Roosevelt, an Eisenhower, a Kennedy


But remember that Obama doesn't rule the world. It's not all on his shoulders nor is he leading a coalition. All I know is that we don't need troops on the ground. No matter what.



No, Obama does not rule the world… but he as president has tremendous power and influence

A real leader understands that and balances power and wisdom enough to get something done in dire times

Look back at the times when we needed leadership from our presidents.

They didn’t go out and play Golf while an American is getting beheaded


Look how Lincoln sacrificed during the civil war. The country was falling apart and only his resolve to save the union saved this country...the slaves were freed and the union was saved


Kennedy’s leadership at the Bay of Pigs told the CIA he would shatter them to pieces. Probably cost him his life. And the Cuban missile crisis where the Army wanted him to nuke the Russians. He held firm to peace. That may have saved the world from destruction


Look at Eisenhower in WWII. He lead the greatest military coalition the world had ever known to defeat the most evil war lord the world had ever seen. If he didn’t we’d all be speaking German that is those who would not have been exterminated?


You know what Ike also did? He commanded the Israelis, British and the French to get the hell out of Egypt when they invaded the Suez Canal

And Roosevelt’s resolve and leadership saved the world from Hitler.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

The US doesn't want to defeat ISIS. The US funds ISIS and arms ISIS as does the Saudi gov't. You're being played here.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: amazing
I've said it in other posts.

I mean We...US and other countries have bombed the living daylights out of them. They've lost decisive battles and yet they still win. HOW? They must have Military Geniuses the likes of the Ancient Chinese, Napoleon and others leading them. There should be courses taught at WestPoint on the Military tactics and strategy of ISIS/IS/ISIL. If not for the fact that everyone hates them they could rule the world.


The reason ISIS is gaining are these:


We have no organized group fighting them. It’s a disorganized mob of different interests… No unified command. Any body with any modicum of military insight can see that this won’t work…
We need a unified commander to have under their commend the Iraqis, Syrians, Kurds, Iranians. Just like we had in WWII under Eisenhower to fight Hitler

Obama is an unmitigated idiot and almost should ne impeached as his leadership is criminally deficient.


Military men are laughing and the others are crying over this incompetent, non- workable “coalition” that Obama is running

The Iraqi troops are tired of war (they have been fighting wars for 20 years)

They have a Shia Sunni sectarian division where the Shia are oppressing the Sunnis


Bottom line there is no leadership for the "coalition"

What this means is that even if we beat ISIS with this flimsy coalition( a miracle will have to happen) it will produce something worst than ISIS...simply because it will be done half ass

Since when do you half ass fight a Hitler, a Napoleon, a Ghenghis Khan, someone intent on genocide


Look at history. What defeated the Nazis: a unified powerful coalition that totally destroyed them

What defeated the Japanese? The same concept


With this flimsy coalition ISIS will never be destroyed.

Its clear the Arabs don't have the incentive to fight ISIS, only Iran and Syria does, therefore Obama should make a pact with them and tell the Arabs to go f___ themselves along with the Turks

That's what A REAL LEADER would do, something Obama is not

A real leader like a Lincoln, a Roosevelt, an Eisenhower, a Kennedy


But remember that Obama doesn't rule the world. It's not all on his shoulders nor is he leading a coalition. All I know is that we don't need troops on the ground. No matter what.



No, Obama does not rule the world… but he as president has tremendous power and influence

A real leader understands that and balances power and wisdom enough to get something done in dire times

Look back at the times when we needed leadership from our presidents.

They didn’t go out and play Golf while an American is getting beheaded


Look how Lincoln sacrificed during the civil war. The country was falling apart and only his resolve to save the union saved this country...the slaves were freed and the union was saved


Kennedy’s leadership at the Bay of Pigs told the CIA he would shatter them to pieces. Probably cost him his life. And the Cuban missile crisis where the Army wanted him to nuke the Russians. He held firm to peace. That may have saved the world from destruction


Look at Eisenhower in WWII. He lead the greatest military coalition the world had ever known to defeat the most evil war lord the world had ever seen. If he didn’t we’d all be speaking German that is those who would not have been exterminated?


You know what Ike also did? He commanded the Israelis, British and the French to get the hell out of Egypt when they invaded the Suez Canal

And Roosevelt’s resolve and leadership saved the world from Hitler.



We don't need a Reaction President. The minute he falls for reacting to everything that happens he becomes bait for anything. We do need a President who Responds, in an appropriate way and time. There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here and armchair generals who think 5 stars on their thread makes them Napoleon or something. The geopolitical situation around the world is a minefield just waiting for someone to trip the wire. No we don't run in there with 100,000 troops and do a Deja Vu Baghdad Iraq II. Gathering intelligence and performing surgical strikes on the leadership and strategic bombing just like we're doing is the only way we can do this, and it won't be overnight. It might last for many years. There's no easy way to get rid of the problem. And no you can't say Bush created ISIS, and hindsight about Iraq is just that, hindsight. Just about everyone was gung ho to go into Iraq and it was a CNN worship-fest. We don't need another one.



posted on May, 19 2015 @ 01:42 AM
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We need a UN that is composed only of those upholding high standard of human rights and no dictatorships. AND a FAST ACTING ONE.

At this moment I'm filled with utter comtempt, disbelief and loathing at the leaders of the western world who are complicit in arranging, funding and committing these crimes on behalf of their handlers, royals or whatever, AND WANT THEM ARRESTED AND IMPRISONED NOW.

This isn't a battlefield, those days are actually past. Its not a game of chess. Its not win this battle or lose this one.

ITS A CRIME OF INSANE PSYCHO'S HOLDING TERRORIZED CIVILIANS HOSTAGE. ACT NOW. BUT FOR THE CONTEMPT AND CONSPIRACY AND MURDER BY THE LEADERS, ARREST THEM.

They think they get away with this, on a soul level, relying on soul recyling and saturn/moon. We're way above that frequency even. THE IOU'S ARE MOUNTING.

UNBELIEVABLE. But all the do is truck in Somalians across US border, DHS? Go figure. Its TREASON.

And if there are elections left, everyone is going to vote for one of the two, both sides supporting this. Grab a Cherokee Grandma and drag her kicking and screaming to the White House, and elect someone who can change the laws so due process and arrests follow all bad actions without any delays. The gift of freedom to actually replace these parties and we're all just brain dead and waste it.
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posted on May, 19 2015 @ 04:29 AM
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a reply to: Ultralight

Do you not understand that there rage and anger is not directed at the United States alone. It is directed against the western culture. England, France, America, Germany and the list can go on. I'm not saying it is right what they are doing. But when you look at their history and the treatment by countries like England and the US towards the middle east and Africa then you start to understand. Death and pain has been their lives for hundreds of years which they feel is being imposed on them by us. We don't stop our governments from carrying these crimes out so we are as guilty.

As proven by history that the only way to fix this mess is by dialogue not more mindless war



posted on May, 19 2015 @ 05:50 AM
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Isis is not the problem. Whoever is funding them is the problem.

Cut off the 'head' and the beast dies.

But then..............that's another story altogether, isn't it.

Follow the money.



posted on May, 19 2015 @ 12:05 PM
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Obviously, it was ALLOWED to happen. The likely reason for that was for a "Pearl Harbor" type of incident to get us decently enraged to send in ground troops. Frankly, my view is to pistol whip the Iraqi army and tell them to get the balls to do it on their own or simply let the invaders have their way with them.



posted on May, 19 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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One would be 'stopping' a government from 'committing these crimes', how exactly?

There were anti war demonstrations in the US, Europe and UK. Did it stop the criminals? No.

So, why are these people not after the criminals who caused these acts of war?

It' the same people 'driving the bus' on both lanes, that's why.


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posted on May, 19 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Yes let us continue to allow the threat to grow! History has taught us nothing. The caliphate,the riech, the empire. Whatever interchangeable, how many mothers wish we had destroyed Hitler earlier , instead of appeasing these psychos. The world is in need of another cleaning and all of our hands are gonna have to get dirty again sorry it's the reality We are in bite the bullet.
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posted on May, 19 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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How are we going to pay for the war?

Does that not matter anymore?
www.reuters.com...

And we are using the same talk track from those days to try and get us back over there.
That if we don't do something now we will be sorry, fight them there and not on main street, ect.


It is not our fight, if the ME is so scared of these guys then they should take care of them!
We already tried with AQ and the Taliban and just made things worse.



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