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Rand Paul: Liberterian or Corporate Sellout

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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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Presidential hopeful, Senator, Rand Paul; has put forth a plan on how to revitalize the American economy. The proposal includes reductions in federal spending, a flat tax, economic freedom zones and eliminating the estate tax amongst other economic relief policies suggested.

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The economic platform of Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) is chock full of his libertarian convictions, with top billing for tax cuts, a deep reduction in federal spending, and a balanced budget. 

But the staunch proponent of small government has had to curtail some of his rhetoric as he tries to reach a more mainstream audience in his bid for the2016 Republican presidential nomination. 



There are several things suggested in the article I can agree with in context, however; IMO, the cons outweigh the pros in this case...ie...increasing military spending and the partial privatization of social security are just two.

The reason I disagree with these two primarily is as follows:

Increased military spending abroad ( external tyranny) leads to increased oppression ( internal tyranny) at home.

Please see: Crisis and Leviathon

Secondly and furthermore, the privatization of governmental bodies or anything for that matter, IMO, increases the possibility of capitalistic for profiting fraud and abuse at the expense of individuals we see happening in the for profit private culture of today.

On top of the abovementioned, Rand Paul, IMO, is double speaking. On one hand your trying to lift and put forth an economic plan to revitalize and reform, and on the other hand you vote in favor of the TPP.

These two issues are inextricably linked. And for that reason alone I will not vote for anyone who votes in favor of the TPP and it's secrecy. Even Rand himself has been in the secret room, but yet he still voted in favor of the TPP, what gives here?

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Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)—an opponent of the secretive Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) that would fast-track the Pacific Rim trade deal Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)—went inside the secret room inside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday morning to read the TPP text and told Breitbart News exclusively afterwards that he believes President Barack Obama should make it public now.


You tell me...does Rand voting in favor of the TPP and the global corporate establishment derail your hopes in his possible future presidency?





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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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Rand Paul just put himself on a fast track to political oblivion. Sell out to the ruling corporate Oligarchy? Apparently....



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Rand Paul just put himself on a fast track to political oblivion. Sell out to the ruling corporate Oligarchy? Apparently....


Selling out? He came from nowhere and immediately became a media darling. If he was the "real deal" you'd never of heard of him. Besides, he was raised in politics, period, that in itself is enough to give me the creeps.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:03 AM
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Rand Paul is no libertarian. He is not like his dad Ron, either. Rand seems to change his views with whichever way the political winds blow. Ron touted the same consistent message for years no matter how the general public perceived it.

I cannot bring myself to vote for Rand.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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Rand Paul is a libertarian corporate sellout.

Libertarians are dangerous because of their apathetic attitude towards corporate power. They mistake freedom (a relative proposition) for freedom to do what you want to do to anybody in the name of freedom, such as kill and oppress workers and consumers in the name of libertarian “freedom.”

Though no one is all bad so on some issues Paul is reasonable( such as civil rights and some human right abuses ) but here on SS and other issues the op illustrates he’s on the side of corporate power.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: Blueracer
Rand Paul is no libertarian. He is not like his dad Ron, either. Rand seems to change his views with whichever way the political winds blow. Ron touted the same consistent message for years no matter how the general public perceived it.

I cannot bring myself to vote for Rand.


Ron Paul had my vote...out of the 2012 political field, he was the only man in my opinion who stuck to his convictions.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: Daedal

Same here. I have voted for Ron and would do so again.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: Daedal

I thought he was a Republican?



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Daedal

I thought he was a Republican?


Republican / professed libertarian perhaps
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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: Daedal

Are you saying they are interchangeable?



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Daedal

Are you saying they are interchangeable?


Perhaps for elections yes.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Daedal

Are you saying they are interchangeable?


I don't think they are interchangeable but Libertarians lean to the Right side of the political spectrum and will chose a GOP candidate over a dem. every time.

Now Rand is neither one...he's a Corporatist.
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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 12:12 PM
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In some cases libertarians are as interchangeable with republicans as they are democrats. But in most cases, not.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 12:13 PM
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No more Bushes, no more Clintons.

Rand Paul is the only person I'll vote for simply because with him, there is a chance that he'll do the right things once in office.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: gladtobehere

Thinking like that is what got Obama elected. We don't even know who all the candidates are yet. Libertarian, Constitutional, Green, etc.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: Daedal

Eh, I disagree. Rand is a Republican through and through, so was his father. Is Gary Johnson running again? He was the independent vote.
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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

He's a politician but he's got one thing no other politician has, his father.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: Daedal


Increased military spending abroad ( external tyranny)



I quit reading right there as it became pretty obvious you have no idea what you were talking about. Your link is nothing more than a political attack written with biased views.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Daedal


Increased military spending abroad ( external tyranny)



I quit reading right there as it became pretty obvious you have no idea what you were talking about. Your link is nothing more than a political attack written with biased views.


Can you explain to me what it is I have no idea about?

Synopsis:

The Cycle of State

It's not a political attack as you mentioned. It applies to both parties, Dem and Republican alike.

I much rather like this idea. It would certainly curb efforts against prioritizing war. If it hits the multimillionaires in their pockets, perhaps their constituents in DC lobbying for militarization and war profiteering may decrease.

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Sen. Sanders isn’t just demanding the war tax. He is going to force Republicans to vote on it by proposing a war tax amendment. The way the Vermont senator has handled the Republican budget is the exact reason why Harry Reid gave him the top Democratic seat on the Senate Budget Committee. Bernie Sanders has waged a tireless battle against the Republican budget all week long. After Republican war hawks, led by Lindsey Graham, threatened to blow up the budget over military funding cuts, Republicans caved, but now they are going to have to deal with Sen. Sanders pointing out their hypocrisy at every turn.


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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

A Corporatist? As opposed to what? A governmentist? Which is Just another corporation? Bought and paid for?

The label is cute, but ends up muddying the waters even more.....



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