Ex-Obama pilot describes lengthy UFO encounter

a reply to: TrueMessiah

Since when has a disc been equated to any form of weather phenomena?

Here's one example.
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Here's another.
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TrueMessiah

Since when has a disc been equated to any form of weather phenomena?

Here's one example.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here's another.
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What is that exactly?
Edit: Seems to be a cloud but see if you can find something that fits the description of what the pilot described as being similar to the moon.

a reply to: TrueMessiah

A lenticular cloud. A weather phenomenon.
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originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

It's a great reported sighting he makes in that interview. No idea how he managed to leap to spaceships and aliens based on what he described seeing. And how many more times must someone *prove* something was 'aliens' based on how many bloody stars there are in the universe? It irks the crap out of me! Also why would the presenter equate aliens with having no fear of dying? From sighting to evidence of an afterlife with not a rational thought in between.

You really don't know how he managed to leap to spaceships and aliens based on what he saw? Doesn't that possibility fall on the spectrum of possible explanations? And doesn't a pilot who has flown for decades and has tens of thousands of hours under his belt, and presumably seen or heard himself or from fellow pilots just about everything related to strange aerial phenomenon have a better grasp from experience on what could be ruled out and what the remaining alternatives are?

I'm not sure why you are upset about him mentioning the correlation between the possibility of intelligent life in the universe and the number of galaxies and solar systems, isn't the Drake equation and other similar ones based on the same premise?

That part about dying I missed, I'll have to go back and look at that, it seems like a bit of a non-sequitur.

The impression I'm left with from his report is that of a weather phenomenon. Another impression is that the guy is relating what he saw accurately; I believe him.

Okay, you say there have been reports of clouds with flashing lights and clouds that pull apart which are weather phenomenon, what kind of weather phenomenon do you think would be the disc that mirrored the course of his aircraft for 40 minutes?

Do you think an EBE craft is a possibility or would you completely rule that out?

a reply to: TrueMessiah

Edit: Seems to be a cloud but see if you can find something that fits the description of what the pilot described as being similar to the moon.

That is not what you asked for:

Since when has a disc been equated to any form of weather phenomena?

But that's one of the problem with eyewitness reports, we didn't see what the pilot saw. All we have is his description and eyewitness descriptions are not very reliable. Especially when it comes to eyewitness reports about unusual or unfamiliar things.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TrueMessiah

A lenticular cloud. A weather phenomenon.
earthsky.org...

Didn't the pilot say they watched it for about 40 mins?

How far does a jetliner travel in 40 mins? If it is going around 500mph - that would be about 330 miles.

Would not the cloud move out of view over that distance?

And a better question would be, wouldn't a pilot with decades of experience and tens of thousands of hours know his various cloud formations? Do you think he would risk going on TV as well as all the other reports he detailed if he thought there was a chance this was just a cloud?

Maybe it was a weather balloon with rockets attached?

originally posted by: Aliensun

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Pilots resists telling their tales because they will be grounded if they insist they "see things". Airline companies aren't covering for anything, just concerned with safety.

Thanks for bringing the story.

At 4:12, "It was sooo cool". I totally identify with that.

Nice spin attempt. You want to rethink your first sentence about the pilots being grounded by the airlines if they speak out, because, as you then say, the airlines are concerned about safety?

Sightings can be reported anonymously, which is what I would do. You really cant blame airlines for not wanting their pilots to be associated with alien contact. I cant see how that would possibly be good for business.

While it may impede our investigation into this phenomena, the airlines would like to continue to remain in business.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TrueMessiah

Edit: Seems to be a cloud but see if you can find something that fits the description of what the pilot described as being similar to the moon.

That is not what you asked for:

Since when has a disc been equated to any form of weather phenomena?

But that's one of the problem with eyewitness reports, we didn't see what the pilot saw. All we have is his description and eyewitness descriptions are not very reliable. Especially when it comes to eyewitness reports about unusual or unfamiliar things.

Ok you answered that but we need specifics due to the fact that the pilot's description is comparable to the moon.
Gosh, how hard can it be to misconstrue what appears to be similar to a moon?

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TrueMessiah

A lenticular cloud. A weather phenomenon.
earthsky.org...

Didn't the pilot say they watched it for about 40 mins?

How far does a jetliner travel in 40 mins? If it is going around 500mph - that would be about 200 miles.

Would not the cloud move out of view over that distance?

And a better question would be, wouldn't a pilot with decades of experience and tens of thousands of hours know his various cloud formations? Do you think he would risk going on TV as well as all the other reports he detailed if he thought there was a chance this was just a cloud?

Maybe it was a weather balloon with rockets attached?

You might want to check you maths.

Other than that I would agree.

originally posted by: 111DPKING111

originally posted by: Aliensun

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Pilots resists telling their tales because they will be grounded if they insist they "see things". Airline companies aren't covering for anything, just concerned with safety.

Thanks for bringing the story.

At 4:12, "It was sooo cool". I totally identify with that.

Nice spin attempt. You want to rethink your first sentence about the pilots being grounded by the airlines if they speak out, because, as you then say, the airlines are concerned about safety?

Sightings can be reported anonymously, which is what I would do. You really cant blame airlines for not wanting their pilots to be associated with alien contact. I cant see how that would possibly be good for business.

While it may impede our investigation into this phenomena, the airlines would like to continue to remain in business.

I think, though I could be wrong and it wouldn't apply to everyone, that airlines are missing the boat on this one. If they know of certain air corridors and/or times where the incidence of UFO sightings are higher, it would be a great marketing tool! I bet those flights would be sold out!

a reply to: TrueMessiah

Gosh, how hard can it be to misconstrue what appears to be similar to a moon?

Again, eyewitness reports are not very reliable when it comes to unusual or unfamiliar phenomena. Our minds tend to fill in the blanks. Come to conclusions about size, distance, and speed. Make connections which may not exist.

We can speculate about what the pilot may have seen if we wish. That's it.

originally posted by: Phage
All we have is his description and eyewitness descriptions are not very reliable. Especially when it comes to eyewitness reports about unusual or unfamiliar things.

I know exactly what that means, and how it feels to be one of those unreliable eyewitnesses now.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Honestly, when stuff like this happens, I think people are better off keeping to themselves.

Live and learn I suppose. You really do have to "be there" yourself, no report, account, photo etc can really prove anything. You just come off either looking foolish, or crazy eventually.

a reply to: nonspecific

Thanks, you were right, stupid math mistake, I'm so glad I was still within the edit window and that mistake did not live on in perpetuity!

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

I would not like your opinion to be deemed void because of such a silly mistake!

originally posted by: crazyewok
what’s a Obama pilot? Is it like Obama care were everyone pays for there own Pilot ?

Do you mean Airforce one Pilot?

Lol I was thinking the same thing...

originally posted by: nonspecific


And a better question would be, wouldn't a pilot with decades of experience and tens of thousands of hours know his various cloud formations? Do you think he would risk going on TV as well as all the other reports he detailed if he thought there was a chance this was just a cloud?

I got 10,000 hours in the military and I spent about 1% of my flying actually looking outside...

originally posted by: Phage

But that's one of the problem with eyewitness reports, we didn't see what the pilot saw. All we have is his description and eyewitness descriptions are not very reliable. Especially when it comes to eyewitness reports about unusual or unfamiliar things.

That is what drives me crazy... We have about 6000 years of nothing but eye-witness reports with no further advancement in proof and people feel one more eye witness report is some how is a game changer.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Didn't the pilot say they watched it for about 40 mins?

Did I say that's what the pilot may have seen?

a reply to: ausername

You just come off either looking foolish, or crazy eventually.

Nope. Seeing something unusual is just that. You saw something you hadn't seen before. Maybe someone else could have recognized it, maybe not.

The problems may show up when conclusions are made about it. The U is part of UFO for a reason and without enough information it will continue to be so.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TrueMessiah

Gosh, how hard can it be to misconstrue what appears to be similar to a moon?

Again, eyewitness reports are not very reliable when it comes to unusual or unfamiliar phenomena. Our minds tend to fill in the blanks. Come to conclusions about size, distance, and speed. Make connections which may not exist.

We can speculate about what the pilot may have seen if we wish. That's it.

So basically 20/20 vision is baloney, even when it comes to something as simple as comparing/contrasting unknown phenomena with well known phenomena? It may not be known what the unfamiliar phenomena is but to say the average person can't tell you what it may look like based on what is known is absurd IMO.