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Is "God" the Real Deceiver?

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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 09:43 PM
Quick Bible break down: "God" is Yahweh ie. En.lil (Sumerian). The Serpent is his half brother (Sumerian). crafted the Adams body. is is the scientist. Yahweh got jealous and took the Adam and placed him in the garden. The true Khod (Indo-European) is Female. She needs no male consort to create life. She existed at the very beginning.
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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 09:44 PM
An actual real non metaphoric satan? I'd say its all a fairy tale. Your inner Michael is to defeat your inner dragon. And what moses said, "man of peace, be still and know god" ie meditate to overcome your anger and reactions.

Also there is some codes to god already in different religions to be the king of sirus b, which is probably what a person would call satan, dark gravity star set up soul traps moon and saturn, and all our elites serve this.

I don't call that God however, which is infinite progressed Consciousness, ie Goodness and the Tao of Love.

posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:40 PM

originally posted by: TzarChasm
No,man is the deceiver. God and devil are just the masks we use in our mockups.

Who or what created man (assuming it had a prime creator and allowed for these fowl-ups to occur)[nature of the beast] create or destroy.
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posted on May, 18 2015 @ 12:23 AM
Hmmmm. Why is it that all those who speak on the side of ''God" only quote scripture, and never REALLY andwer the questions, or debunk with any accuracy, the many plagurisms of the bible? The stories that were taken, were taken from religions that PREDATE your religions. Every holiday was taken from older religions. It makes no logical sense. What does quoting scripture do save make you look more foolish? Show some real, verifiable EVIDENCE, or quiet down.

"Can god, or can god not, create a boulder which he himself can not lift."

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 02:29 AM
When you say god, you mean the modern depiction of god and the god-fearing that every religion preaches. God itself is something that can't be defected from. Anyone or thing that tells you that you can displease or dissatisfy god is wrong, because we are all expressions of this ultimate being.

"There's nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be" - Lennon

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 05:50 AM
The old testament was designed to invoke god-fearing man, blind faith, and the embrace of ignorance. That's a telling recipe for subjugation, if I've heard such parable without previous catholic reinforcement and rhetoric. That interpretation of god does not feel organic, or conducive to Elysian solace.

To me, these stories shape the passive aggressive warnings of a narcissistic overture bellowed by a tyrant. This dogma tends to exploit the banal, with the fear of the unknown and superstition. I would say it's a retardation of the truth.

It is still mind boggling to me, that literature scribed, close to 2000 years ago, be held in such reverence, even though the authors bear no witness to such claims. 300 years of rumor, gossip, here say, and playing "telephone" gave narrative to original renditions that endear human spirit.

I think the works are entertaining and add moral value to compass, but i wouldn't take ANY scripture as gospel.
Digress for a moment. People from that era thought that these piety peddlers were either snake oil salesman or certifiable to be committed. It took hundreds of year and tragic times to sell the idolatry! Suspicious no?

Imagine a gilded tongue trying to challenge your faith by selling you L. RON Hubbard's work, Dianetics. "Yes my son, Zim and Zam from the Smoochy Cluster proclaim your charitable and piety act and expression of vow to poverty, by donating nine tenths of your worth, will earn you an all expense paid trip on his spaceship to Smoochy's belt. But this voucher can only be redeemed postmortem, sweetie. Have a little faith in me, your new surrogate papi."

Pretty creepy in that context huh? But hey, it's the model that worked for the wanting.

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 05:57 AM
There is valuable text out there if you make an effort to investigate. Any mantra designed and marketed to the masses, sounds like Round-up on rye.

a reply to: trifecta

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 05:57 AM

what a silly thread. sorry if that offends anyone but come on now, God says that nothing is hidden that will not be revealed. God = love, truth, wisdom

Evil = confusion, lies, deceit

can't get much simpler than that. idk just seems to me like you're not even questioning this foolish (and not to mention pretty darn blasphemous) thread you've got goin' here, OP. I'm really sorry you're so confused that you actually begin to question the nature of God. I sincerely hope you find the faith and happiness that God intends for you. Believe whatever you want. And I'll believe whatever I want, too ^_^

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 02:29 PM
a reply to: rukia
Why is this thread foolish? Yet again, quoting scripture instead of actually putting forth any -real- evidence.

The vast majority of the Old Testament was taken from older, pre-existing religions (Babylonians, Egyptians, Pagans). The holidays were stolen from older religions. These religions existed BEFORE even the dead sea scrolls. So quoting any scripting, or saying it was put there by the 'great deciever' is bullocks. You can -believe- whatever you want, but i'll stick to facts. These things have all been dated.

To call someone foolish for questioning things truely makes you the foolish one. Blind beliefs are what caused the vast majority of the religious atrocities commited in the (sometimes not too distant) past.

I bet we get more quoted scripture instead of any factual evidence...

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 03:38 PM
You almost lost me at "blood sacrifice like communion." lol, really? There is no blood sacrifice in Christianity. It's symbolic of the body and blood of Christ, but it's wine and bread and that's how it was at the Last Supper too. Animal sacrifice existed in Judaism but eventually was abolished. Animal sacrifice was meant to represent how seriously God takes sin. You want to talk about blood sacrifice? All pagans were sacrificing humans and animals before and after the Israelites...

I was an atheist when I was younger. I used to think of all my own arguments instead of regurgitating the same atheist rhetoric. This world has been dramatically shaped by Christianity, and people today love to boast, "I forgive people and have morals and I didn't need religion or the Bible to tell me how!" Or "you don't need religion to have morals. The Western world and its morals (if followed correctly have been monumentally shaped by Christianity. People need to wake up and realize that they can't use their 21st century Western eyes to imagine the world in millennia's past.

But you'll say, "look at God, the mass murderer, right?! Satan didn't kill anyone." Firstly, a lot of you are attacking a Being you don't believe in and stories you don't think actually occurred. Let's for a moment consider Noah's flood. Let's say it happened and take everything in it as truth... Well, in context, the whole world but Noah and his family were irredeemably depraved and morally bankrupt, and that's why God sought to start again. If we're taking the story as written, they weren't a bunch of innocents who some evil Yahweh slaughtered. If you're going to criticize God and the story, don't take the context away.

See, we have this gift called Free Will. People question the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent nature of God. If God is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving, how does evil exist? It's really a simply answer: God gave us a free will. God gave us freedom, consciousness, choices. Choices to choose him or not to choose him, to do good and evil. What's more loving than that? God doesn't overwhelmingly go back on his gift and destroy everyone's free will, either. You think it would be more loving if God made us a bunch of robots in a perfect universe, ignorant of anything morally neutral or evil, incapable of truly thinking and learning and exploring? Incapable of loving and failing, learning and growing from mistakes, striving to achieve things? I'd say no. Free will is loving. Just because God is all powerful doesn't mean He must use that power. Especially when the most loving thing to do was to give us freedom.

You're also forgetting that if we accept that God exists and killed all these morally bankrupt humans, that God is the sole giver of life. Nothing would exist without Him. God gave people free will. People chose tremendous evil and corrupted generation after generation. Would it be loving for God to let the cycle continue on, new generation being corrupted, all good people being persecuted? You're also forgetting that this life and death are not all that there is--if we are to take the story as is.

All sin is offensive to God. Jesus Christ fulfilled scripture through His death on the cross. Through Christ we achieve salvation, for none of us are good enough (can't wait for people to get angry and say they're good enough) to achieve it on our own. Salvation and life with God? God is perfect, we are born into a broken world that was chosen by man, and we have all chosen sin and therefore we are are imperfect. Christ ransomed us from our sin. Faith in Christ eliminates the perfection gap between God and mankind. God is eternally loving and merciful. None of us truly know what happens to non-believers after death. Non-believers include those who claim to believe but rampantly, intentionally sin regardless and whose works defy their "beliefs." What happens to infants or the mentally-disabled? Look at God's character. God is merciful and loving. We can trust in God's grace to do what's right. Absence from God or fire and brimstone hell, dead infants and mentally disabled will not be there. People who don't believe but are good people? I don't know. None of us are really that good. We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. If you don't believe, then why do you care?

God gave us the choice. The free will. If people actively choose to defy Him and do not believe or love Him, then likely their fate will be nothingness, absence from God. You can whine all day about it, but it's akin to a toddler whining to a parent about not being allowed to have his desert, times infinity. After all, I'll ask again: if you don't believe, why does it even bother you?

Based on the long rant above, I think I'm sticking to the belief that God is God... Not the devil.

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 04:08 PM
a reply to: ForceMaster

What I would like you to ask yourself if you would want to know the truth as it really is, not corrupted

There can never be any one Truth...only little truths that unfold to build a picture that the OT god is the demiurge. I'm glad I lost trust in the old evil OT. It all seemed so childlike that Jehovah would make a perfect planet and place 2 trees in Eden and a wandering free will serpent allowed to mire Jehovas greatest creation. Only to have apologists come along to say "its all about free will"

If such a thing as big "T" Truth existed there would be no need for infant baptism or enduring religious dogma. It would be self evident with no need of coercion or compliance through sanctions or war.

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 04:12 PM
a reply to: the2ofusr1

God's promised seed of the woman has overturned the powers and has shown them that neither them nor man can stop God from doing what He had in His mind all along .

Which was what exactly? An omniscient god was asleep circa 0 BC and then wakes up to create the perfect plan?
Not so Omniscient was it?.

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 07:28 PM
a reply to: infolurker

Death will be just like before I was concieved. Nothingness. Just like how I wasn't around for billions of years and then one day I suddenly was. Well, one day I suddenly won't be and it will not even slightly, be an inconvenience.

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 08:24 PM
originally posted by: Willtell


If God is God as described by western religion then ultimately he is responsible for the good,the bad and the ugly.

If not then there is a God with God.

Humans are mini-God (particulates existing as matter form) describing that/there/may be of a condition God sought and obviously created to express Itself.

Willtell: The devil theory also ultimately is nonsense since God supposed to have power over ALL things.

And if this devil is independent from God then he is a God as well

A friend of mine use to always say to me: “God is the devil”

You are God, you are the Devil BOTH in your sublime/mysterious/exasperating existence as a Human (God created everything).
God should be under indictment in some court of law for not telling the human what its purpose is (charged with neglect/child abuse).
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posted on May, 18 2015 @ 08:39 PM
a reply to: vethumanbeing

That's actually a really good description of mankind: gracefully exasperating.

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 10:02 PM
The real deceivers are the priests who sell God to gullible practitioners as "The Truth".

There is no bigger lie than the lie you are asked to believe on faith that everything will be fine after you die.

They sell God as "The Truth" and "The Light".

Do you ever wonder why parishoners are referred to as a "flock"? Because they're all sheeple being led around by the nose. As soon as someone questions the herd mentality, they usually find out it's all a crock and head out on their own.

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 10:11 PM
a reply to: ForceMaster

Fascinating perspective - or reality, many would not have thought there was a benign or "good" aspect associated with Satan. Words and concepts can be confusing, but I would look at it as almost 'pagan', perhaps...

Do you ever see a day where this type of spirituality associated with Satanism would become more "out in the open", so to speak, like an appointed religious type of overthrowing of standard Christianity etc as it has been sort of shoving its agenda down people's throats for centuries? Even in Canada, Christian conservatism seems to be the ruling majority...

What can be done about that sort of thing?

posted on May, 18 2015 @ 10:38 PM

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: vethumanbeing

That's actually a really good description of mankind: gracefully exasperating.

Yes. We are graceful; in this exasperating experience of being in HUMAN form (the reason? untold and mysterious)--Karma related; we are God objects seeking Itself without primal knowledge of the WHY? (do we do this).
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posted on May, 18 2015 @ 10:42 PM
this is god
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posted on May, 19 2015 @ 12:15 AM
a reply to: ForceMaster

Jesus was not created from "Mithras", maybe Paul's beliefs about Jesus which says we are saved by grace from eating the bread and drinking the wine while believing in his sacrifice and resurrection instead of (good) works.

The man who said this (Yeshua/Jesus):

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." - Matthew 7:12

and this...

"And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:" - Matthee 7:26

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" - Luke 6:46

Obviously contradicts Paul's teaching that we are saved by grace and not of works...

Verses like this in the old testament (claimed to be inspired by the "Lord" Yahweh/Jehovah):

"Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood." - Jeremiah 48:10

Goes against teachings from Jesus like "turn the other cheek" and "do not draw the sword for those who pick up the sword are ended by the sword."

Yahweh's torah (also called by some: "old testament"), and Paul's version of salvation through faith not by good works (The Pauline Epistles - Romans, Corinthians, etc.), goes against The Sayings of Christ in the Gospel.

Matthew 10:34-36 where Jesus said he did not come to bring Peace is plagiarism from a Jewish Scroll named Micah (verse 7:6), it probably was written to get Jewish people to believe in Jesus.

Check out this thread:

The title of Lucifer/Phosphoros belongs to Christ (2 Peter 1:19), Jesus gave us The Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil , and The Fruit for Everlasting Life

I see you have a picture of a being which symbolizes "the devil" to most people. Most Satanists say Yahweh is a deception but then hate Christ. Why is that?

Yahweh (according to Torah/Old Testament of the "Bible") said revenge is good, show no pity trade a "life for a life" and "an eye for an eye", he taught that his "people" are superior to everyone else ("chosen"). He promoted animal sacrifice. He said to kill non-believers (those who worship other "gods").

Christ said don't stress yourself with violence, turn the other cheek and walk away, those who live by the sword dies by the sword, do not kill the innocent, do not offend (corrupt/harm) the children and love thy neighbour as thyself...

Yet, Jesus gets thrown in with yahweh and satanists seem to be exposing these dark bible verses while being against Jesus who didn't even have nothing to do with that!

Did you know the Jewish pharisees claimed Jesus was possessed by the demon Beelzebub and did socery? Did wanted to kill him for working on the Sabbath and teaching "Ye are Gods" (John 10:34). Those who followed yahweh called Jesus Christ evil.

There are similarities between the stories of Jesus Christ and Enki.

Who is able to bring the dead from Hell back to Life? Jesus and Enki.

Who brings Bread of Life and Living Water? Jesus and Enki.

Who has Healing power? Jesus and Enki.

Sure, Enki was associated with a Serpent,

but wasn't Jesus compared to the Rise of The Bronze Healing Serpent which Moses supposedly used to Heal (John 3:14)? Jesud said to be wise like Serpents and gentle like Doves. Serpent doesn't automatically mean evil, it also means Healing and Wisdom.

There are many false belief systems which doesn't represent Jesus at all according to his words/teachings, and it seems like many satanists are reacting to these false teachings which were never even taught by him.

Many "Christians" are the main ones giving Jesus a bad name which is why I don't call myself Christian. Do not be deceived by anti-christ " Christians".

Much Wisdom and Peace.

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