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Is "God" the Real Deceiver?

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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 05:57 AM
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How would you feel if you were taught that things are a certain way, and that there are certain truths incorruptible, such as "God" created everything, he is male, and is very possessive. only later, you find that the stories you were told were stolen history, re-written and plagiarized into a system of control and domination, turning wise beings into "demons" while demanding blood rituals such as communion, while causing all major slaughters and wars in history as it divided itself into other systems of control in order to pit them against each other?

Then you find that the "Garden of Eden" was a place intended to keep mankind in a beautiful cage and that the "Evil One" who "tricked" Adam and Eve, was in fact their biological father setting them free from his insane brother who wanted man either ignorant and controlled or dead! Then you ask yourself why it is our instinct is to sacrifice ourselves for our children, literally if needed, but "God's" instinct is to sacrifice his children for himself?

Then you discover that the New Testament Jesus was created from “Mithras” as was the resurrection story and that the words of Jesus came from the far east systems of Buddhism and Taoism, in some instances word for word, even using the same parables to teach people! And why does a god who has no favorites say outright that the Jews are his "chosen people" and Israel is his holy city?

How would you feel if you found out that it was Satan who stopped “God” from killing off man in the flood and every other plague the “loving father” unleashed on humanity without mercy and it could be proven? Then you discover that Satan was and is not “fallen” at all, but refused to allow an alien council to decide mankind’s fate and rebelled against the council as did others, and decided to fight for man. Then you realize that this is the “Rebellion in Heaven” spoken about in the Bible!

What I would like you to ask yourself if you would want to know the truth as it really is, not corrupted. Would you want to know your true origins and potential as a spiritual being created by the very consciousness of Creation itself, while being biologically created by a being from another planet who not only fell in love with what he created, but saved them from his brothers attempts to kill his creation because the unintended consequence of creating man was that Creation instilled them with spirit, which is a literal part of the consciousness and life-force of Creation itself.

You may even ask yourself if my conclusion is correct... the devil's greatest achievement was not in convincing man that he does not exist, but that he is GOD!




posted on May, 17 2015 @ 06:01 AM
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No matter your "religion", the very consciousness and Divine Spirit of Creation itself burns inside you. It has been said that there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed, and one of those secrets is that there is nothing you cannot understand, no limit to your spirit and no god that can put that in a furnace, because you cannot put Creation in a furnace, and Creation lives in you. You possess the Mind Of God as it truly is! It is not male, it is not an egomaniac, it is the life force of everything. And the fullness of it's beauty, and the fullness of it's love are the only things we will never fully understand.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 06:05 AM
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a reply to: ForceMaster

Thank god for the internet. Kind of self defeating, isn't it?



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 06:31 AM
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a reply to: ForceMaster


"you were taught'....
"then you find out"......
"then you discover"......

From the story and conclusion in your OP it appears your source is from the one book too, but other Abrahamic texts would also have you draw similar conclusions...maybe.

Everything one knows about God is written down by man therefore God is not a religious nut the real deceiver - man is.

God probably just has a really really bad headache from facepalming a lot.
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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: ForceMaster

I have always thought the same thing about God and Jesus, to me something never seemed right about it, everything you posted does make sense and who knows could be a real possiblity. I always wondered if God was such a loving and caring being why let such horrible things to happen to innocent babies and young children, you would think that God or some spiritual being would intervene in such things, but then again people say that life is one very hard test.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 06:48 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

Nice reply, so true about man, I never thought of putting it that way.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 06:49 AM
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God has only deceived himself. God is playing hide and seek.
God hides here as presence and seeks himself in time. He will not be found in time.
'We are looking for what is looking'. St. Francis of Assisi



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: ForceMaster

Its not God that's the problem, its organised religions interpretation and the subversion of the will of God to meet their own ends and agendas. That's the real deception!



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 07:48 AM
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originally posted by: ForceMaster
No matter your "religion", the very consciousness and Divine Spirit of Creation itself burns inside you. It has been said that there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed...



Yea Jesus said that.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 07:51 AM
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a reply to: ForceMaster

NIce and catchy. S&F.



Then you find that the "Garden of Eden" was a place intended to keep mankind in a beautiful cage and that the "Evil One" who "tricked" Adam and Eve, was in fact their biological father setting them free from his insane brother who wanted man either ignorant and controlled or dead!

I enjoyed this part, gave me a neat filler for the missing link in my "story of spirits".
Gives "deny ignorance" a whole new dimension, "say no to the devil!"



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: ForceMaster
Been reading about Enki and Enlil, I see.

Interesting story, and definitely better than the warped biblical version.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 08:27 AM
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No,man is the deceiver. God and devil are just the masks we use in our mockups.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 09:31 AM
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originally posted by: ForceMaster
How would you feel if you were taught that things are a certain way, and that there are certain truths incorruptible, such as "God" created everything, he is male, and is very possessive. only later, you find that the stories you were told were stolen history, re-written and plagiarized into a system of control and domination, turning wise beings into "demons" while demanding blood rituals such as communion, while causing all major slaughters and wars in history as it divided itself into other systems of control in order to pit them against each other?

Then you find that the "Garden of Eden" was a place intended to keep mankind in a beautiful cage and that the "Evil One" who "tricked" Adam and Eve, was in fact their biological father setting them free from his insane brother who wanted man either ignorant and controlled or dead! Then you ask yourself why it is our instinct is to sacrifice ourselves for our children, literally if needed, but "God's" instinct is to sacrifice his children for himself?

Then you discover that the New Testament Jesus was created from “Mithras” as was the resurrection story and that the words of Jesus came from the far east systems of Buddhism and Taoism, in some instances word for word, even using the same parables to teach people! And why does a god who has no favorites say outright that the Jews are his "chosen people" and Israel is his holy city?

How would you feel if you found out that it was Satan who stopped “God” from killing off man in the flood and every other plague the “loving father” unleashed on humanity without mercy and it could be proven? Then you discover that Satan was and is not “fallen” at all, but refused to allow an alien council to decide mankind’s fate and rebelled against the council as did others, and decided to fight for man. Then you realize that this is the “Rebellion in Heaven” spoken about in the Bible!

What I would like you to ask yourself if you would want to know the truth as it really is, not corrupted. Would you want to know your true origins and potential as a spiritual being created by the very consciousness of Creation itself, while being biologically created by a being from another planet who not only fell in love with what he created, but saved them from his brothers attempts to kill his creation because the unintended consequence of creating man was that Creation instilled them with spirit, which is a literal part of the consciousness and life-force of Creation itself.

You may even ask yourself if my conclusion is correct... the devil's greatest achievement was not in convincing man that he does not exist, but that he is GOD!


Thanks for the post.

Well, isn't this the idea of a couple different historic sects: Luciferians, one, and the ancient Christian gnostics?

The Luciferians have taught at some points that Lucifer is good because he brings real knowledge and liberation to humans.

The Christian gnostics, at least some of them, taught that the God of the Old Testament was actually not the one true god but some kind of lesser god or demigod. That this god was evil. Some accounts have that God also trapping us in this material realm.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ForceMaster

Its not God that's the problem, its organised religions interpretation and the subversion of the will of God to meet their own ends and agendas. That's the real deception!


I agree with this on my end.

Do you include the texts of religion in that, such as the Bible, as being misinterpretations of God? Or do you mean that people misinterpret the Bible, which is actually the word of god?

I hold, personally, that there is a higher power. I also hold that while holding some bits and pieces of truth in them, books like the Bible also have a lot of falsehoods, tribal beliefs (Old Testament), horrific actions by God or god-followers, twisted theologies (condemnation, original sin, hell), etc. The Bible has been probably mistranslated a lot, has contradictions. And even if it wasn't, who says those original dudes knew what they were talking about.

I do not think that the Judeo-Christian lineage represents God correctly.
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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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God the creator knew what was going to happen ,and who He couldn't trust .He also knew that man would misunderstand what He was saying and create a narrative (religion) of their own. Mithra is just one of the many stories that share some of the earlier stories while Mithra 2.0 was added after Christ .Like Islam has many of the same stories most if not all are plagiarized from earlier works . Like Islam the op is a attempt to invert the truth imo .God's promised seed of the woman has overturned the powers and has shown them that neither them nor man can stop God from doing what He had in His mind all along . God knew there would be battles to be lost but the war is His and He won 2000 years ago with His Christ .



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 09:49 AM
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Pretty mind blowing theory.

Imagine that! The devils been getting man to publish all his best work under the name of "God." Very creative Devil - very creative indeed!

Star and flag.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1

God the creator knew what was going to happen ,and who He couldn't trust .He also knew that man would misunderstand what He was saying and create a narrative (religion) of their own. Mithra is just one of the many stories that share some of the earlier stories while Mithra 2.0 was added after Christ .Like Islam has many of the same stories most if not all are plagiarized from earlier works . Like Islam the op is a attempt to invert the truth imo .God's promised seed of the womnan has overturned the powers and has shown them that neither them nor man can stop God from doing what He had in His mind all along . God knew there would be battles to be lost but the war is His and He won 2000 years ago with His Christ .


He knew all that stuff from the very beginning but he still chose to make the tree, put it in the one place it could be a problem, and conveniently left the gate open for the Judaic Loki. You don't smell a set up? The god of your fables is either a complete moron or a psychopath.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: ForceMaster

In my opinion, light is the real deceiver; whether altered by gravity or by time nothing really is as we see it.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: ForceMaster

Let's put it this way...

The biblical 'bad guy' hasn't had mass murder attributed to him.

The biblical 'good guy', has plenty of murders down to him, at one point the majority of life residing on this planet.

Which one do you think is the real bad guy...hmmm?

And before someone says 'the good guy' had the right to slaughter at will, write to your congressman or MP and ask them to free all the parents who have murdered their own kids and see how far you get.

edit on 17-5-2015 by MysterX because: added text



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

"Do you include the texts of religion in that, such as the Bible, as being misinterpretations of God?"

All books and/or religious texts that claim to hold the word of God/Gods are a product of Man. Written with all his fallibility's and insecurity at play. There is exactly no evidence to suggest God or the Gods had any hand what so ever regarding these religious texts existence.

"Or do you mean that people misinterpret the Bible, which is actually the word of god?"

People dont just misinterpret the Bible, the very book was constructed in such a way as to control the very people who maintain a belief and worship the religious ideology in the first place, old testament and new.
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