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Marijuana Prohibition Is Unscientific, Unconstitutional, And Unjust

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posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TinfoilTP

No YOU missed the point. How does doing that commerce hurt you, a non-participant in the commerce, exactly? It doesn't. THAT was the point of that passage.


How does a murderer hurt me if they murder someone I don't know and I was not present when it happened? Do you see the failed logic employed which you are embracing now?




posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: jhn7537
Who's the major jackass('s) who keeps derailing any progress of making it fully legal? I would like to give them an ear full...


These people



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: jhn7537
Who's the major jackass('s) who keeps derailing any progress of making it fully legal? I would like to give them an ear full...


These people


As I go to grab my phone.....

And it makes total sense....
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posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:05 AM
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If it weren't for marijuana I sincerely doubt Jazz music would even exist.
Great thread, that's been my position for over 40 years now.
We thought Jimmy Carter would change it.
I learned my lesson about politicians at that point.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TinfoilTP

No YOU missed the point. How does doing that commerce hurt you, a non-participant in the commerce, exactly? It doesn't. THAT was the point of that passage.


How does a murderer hurt me if they murder someone I don't know and I was not present when it happened? Do you see the failed logic employed which you are embracing now?


Um... A murderer may not hurt YOU specifically, but he certainly is hurting SOMEONE. So nice try but it's not the same thing at all. I want to know how someone selling a plant to someone else hurts ANYONE in any way.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Excellent thread! Bravo!!!

I've been doing a lot of research on high CBD oils (non-psychoactive) and was thinking about writing a thread on the same... I've also been looking at cultivation... I would be happy to send you the links I've bookmarked for your research. I don't know when/if I'll have the time to write a thread, but I'm happy to help you (or anyone) get the info out there!



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

By all means. If you got some information, I'd be willing to read it and when I write the thread I'll be more than willing to let everyone know that I got those sources from you if I use them.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: PhoenixOD
Im not sure you can cure the worlds energy and textile problems with anything that you can grow. You would just need so much fertile land to grow it in. Its just not doable. Plus you would need to use so much oil based fertilizer to re-nurish the land every few years.


Hemp cultivation actually benefits the soil in many ways. At harvest, the stalks are cut close to the ground, and the roots are tilled into the soil for its nitrogen-fixing properties. It requires little (if any) fertilizers, pesticides or herbicides -- especially compared to cotton, for example. Its water needs are also minimal, and in some regions, rainfall is more than adequate for irrigation needs. In the right climate, two and even three crops can be grown each year. Not to discount or minimize the medicinal qualities of cannabis, but industrial hemp would do far more to clean up our planet than, say, carbon credits!



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Yes in the right climates and under the right conditions you can produce it very efficiently. But how much land would you need to produce all the oil needed to run an entire country considering that a lot of countries already use all the fertile land for growing crops for food.

In the UK you can get a license to grow hemp for crops but not many farms do it.

I think there's a lot more to using it to cure the world problems that whats written in pro hemp books. Someone should run the numbers for large scale production..realistically, taking into account land available that's unused plus maintenance of the land. All drops need fertilizer which is mainly oil based.

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posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TinfoilTP

No YOU missed the point. How does doing that commerce hurt you, a non-participant in the commerce, exactly? It doesn't. THAT was the point of that passage.


How does a murderer hurt me if they murder someone I don't know and I was not present when it happened? Do you see the failed logic employed which you are embracing now?


Um... A murderer may not hurt YOU specifically, but he certainly is hurting SOMEONE. So nice try but it's not the same thing at all. I want to know how someone selling a plant to someone else hurts ANYONE in any way.


No you asked how does it hurt "You".


originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TinfoilTP

No YOU missed the point. How does doing that commerce hurt you, a non-participant in the commerce, exactly? It doesn't. THAT was the point of that passage.


Quit trying to change the narrative, if bait and switch dishonest tactics are all you got then this was too easy.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
If it weren't for marijuana I sincerely doubt Jazz music would even exist.
Great thread, that's been my position for over 40 years now.
We thought Jimmy Carter would change it.
I learned my lesson about politicians at that point.


That notorious documentary 'Grass' that's narrated by Woody Harrelson, talks about how Jimmy Carter was going to legalize cannabis. But then there was a coc aine scandal within the government and he couldn't be seen to be "soft on drugs".

Awesome doco, btw. Extremely informative look at why the US government was so adamant about making cannabis illegal in the US and the rest of the world.

Grass; The History of cannabis (1 of 6)

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posted on May, 15 2015 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Seriously people get on to that doco I posted, it should be required viewing within all western nations.

Sorry I can't post the documentary in whole, but youtube just doesn't have the doco in full. but I'm sure most people are intelligent enough to be able to find the other 5 parts on youtube.

It's a a vital part of American culture and is all above board being posted on ATS. Since it relates directly to the 'war on drugs'.

Peace
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posted on May, 15 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Excellent post!



Basically, what I put into my body has ZERO baring on you and yours. So leave me and mine alone and we'll all be happy. Stop being so nosy! Legalize freedom!



I agree and feel the same way. Here's the thing tho; despite the fact that it is illegal (on paper,) has that stopped it from becoming accessible to members of society who desire it...? What's the problem then...?

I personally feel that 100/km on the highway is a silly speed limit but, it cannot stop me from speeding despite that...

The flip-side is I will pay a penalty if I'm caught speeding, so that is what I see as the core of the problem: unfair laws that incarcerate and strip one of their personal freedom. There are people serving time in jail for distributing marijuana whereas there are others such as financiers who have done more damage to the livelihood of everyday people (causing some to commit suicide, depression, etc) allowed to go about on their merry way.

I believe in personal freedom; the right to self determination; and therefore loyal to my ideology.

The only ones I see that should be truly opposed to marijuana being illegal are the manufacturers and distributors of it. Pablo Escobar deeply believed that coc aine would one day be accepted by society and felt that he was simply ahead of the curve. He believed that society may see him as a criminal but one day come to view him as a business man with vision.

Again, despite all the laws:

How has MJ being labelled illegal; despite all the b.s reasons given as to why it should be illegal by ignorant wicked political puppets; prevented one from acquiring it?

Again; what's the problem...?

Yes, making it legal will free up law enforcement to actually pursue real criminals and fight real crime...but then the government does not like an open free market.

That is there pie. Frank Lucas was flying in heroin on military planes carrying the bodies of dead soldiers and flooding black neighbourhoods with it netting 1 Million dollars a week back in the 1970's and 1980's . That operation requires many on the inside...like "Big Papi."








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posted on May, 15 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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Good god you don't half bang on about pot being illegal.Give it a rest.Those who want to smoke it will get it anyway.Or are hoping if it's made legal everyone will start smoking and we'll have a revolution in society? Besides,most people have better things to do than sitting around giggling and munching on chrisps.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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I'm pro marijuana.

I don't care what anyone says, it's not a gateway drug, it's not addictive like coc aine or heroin or any chemically refined stimulants.

If alcohol and cigarette is legal, there is absolutely zero reason marijuana should be illegal. Marijuana don't kill people, alcohol and cigarette does, it's a scientific fact, I wonder how long it would take to get it into people's heads.

The problem is taboo. Urban legends, gangster portrayals, that drove the parents crazy.

Yes, I blame racism, but I also blame African American Gangster Rappers writing song chants like "Smoke weed everyday!". Just Google "Smoke Weed Everyday" rap song, and see how many hits you get. What kind of mental image are you sending to the parents, when you're telling young people that smoking weed everyday, doing nothing, riding down the street prepping for drive by's, dealing rocks is ... "COOL".

In my opinion, MARIJUANA need a new MARKETING FIRM, ASAP! It's being wrongly portrayed and wrongfully advertised. We need Phillip Morris to come help spin this #. Imagine a TV commercial of Picasso or some world famous painter, firing up a portable vaporizer pen (E-Cigarette) with a nice tank of Sativa juice to expand their minds, coming up with insane painting concepts and #...

I kid, but you get the point.

We need to petition, organize and form our own campaigns, hire our own SUPER EXPENSIVE lobbyists and start back pocketing congress to get things changed. Ya know.. go through the legal route that most other corrupted companies are doing.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

So do you need a lecture on the different ways that the word "you" can be used? In this case, you was being impersonal. I could have just as easily said "No YOU missed the point. How does doing that commerce hurt a non-participant in the commerce exactly? It doesn't. THAT was the point of that passage," and I'd mean the same thing.

Stop splitting hairs over the wordage when you know DAMN well what I meant.
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posted on May, 15 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: CallYourBluff



Or are hoping if it's made legal everyone will start smoking and we'll have a revolution in society?


I personally think people would be more calm, cool and collected. Perhaps less violent...more sedated...and less aggressive in their online post....

If government wanted to avoid a revolution then perhaps legalizing it would be a good idea instead.



Besides,most people have better things to do than sitting around giggling and munching on chrisps.



Yes indeed, very true.

Off to pack.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I just sent them in a PM...

Let me know if you don't receive it, and I'll try it again. Otherwise, I'll just be looking forward to your thread!



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

Why is it you appear in almost every cannabis thread and just come up with crazy scenarios that some how support the notion that Cannabis Prohibition and the Civil War on Drugs needs to be continued.

You use disinfo in manipulation tactics heavily in these threads and then accuse those who disagree with you of pretty much the same thing you are guilty of on this thread.

I just find your posts fishy. It is as if you want this thread's topic to be diluted and full of BS instead of a civil and intelligent discussion.

Cannabis prohibition is deeply rooted in racism, the claims the DEA and friends use to keep in a schedule 1 are unscientific.

Prohibition on a non toxic plant with great medicinal value is insane!



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: CallYourBluff




Besides,most people have better things to do than sitting around giggling and munching on chrisps.


Maybe that's what America needs minus the chrisps!

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