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Demonizing of Iran by the West (U.S.)

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posted on May, 14 2015 @ 08:05 AM
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I wanted to open up a discussion on Iran with my ATS folks, since I've been very fuzzy on how and why Iran is such a threat to the U.S. (as we are told).

With this thought in mind, I just googled "Demonizing Iran", and found this blog post, which echoed my initial feeling about the subject:

The Recorder Article/Blog Post (it only allows you to view it once, otherwise you need a "subscription - sorry for a crappy source)

Anyway, we are constantly being told that Iran's nuclear program and potential for doing harm to the U.S. are great threats. It makes me think about countries all over the world which are probably saying the same things about the U.S., and with good reason to (look at all the military conflicts and other sketchy happenings the U.S. is responsible for all over the place).

But I really want to ask all of you what you know about the Iran/U.S. beef and what else may be behind it.

I have heard that Iran is one of the last few countries that is not going along with the rest of the world and the Banking Cartel, so I could see that as one solid reason behind the demonizing of Iran, but is there more?

I appreciate everyone trying to stay on topic and being respectful to one another - we don't need to bring up Israel unless it is necessary (I keep seeing commenters bring it back to Israel on unrelated topics, so if it's going to be one of those "But look at Israel, yada yada yada" arguments, please try to refrain unless it is directly related to the topic at hand. (Sorry if this sounds like a school lesson/teacher writing this right now, I've just been frustrated at thread drift and trolls lately).

IRAN = EVIL SCUM or what is really going on with this agitprop around Iran?

Thank you ATS - I love you guys! So many of you remind me why there is still hope for mankind (although we all have seen both ends of the spectrum on the forums I'm sure).

-FamCore




posted on May, 14 2015 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: FamCore
I wanted to open up a discussion on Iran with my ATS folks, since I've been very fuzzy on how and why Iran is such a threat to the U.S. (as we are told).

With this thought in mind, I just googled "Demonizing Iran", and found this blog post, which echoed my initial feeling about the subject:

The Recorder Article/Blog Post (it only allows you to view it once, otherwise you need a "subscription - sorry for a crappy source)

Anyway, we are constantly being told that Iran's nuclear program and potential for doing harm to the U.S. are great threats. It makes me think about countries all over the world which are probably saying the same things about the U.S., and with good reason to (look at all the military conflicts and other sketchy happenings the U.S. is responsible for all over the place).

But I really want to ask all of you what you know about the Iran/U.S. beef and what else may be behind it.

I have heard that Iran is one of the last few countries that is not going along with the rest of the world and the Banking Cartel, so I could see that as one solid reason behind the demonizing of Iran, but is there more?

I appreciate everyone trying to stay on topic and being respectful to one another - we don't need to bring up Israel unless it is necessary (I keep seeing commenters bring it back to Israel on unrelated topics, so if it's going to be one of those "But look at Israel, yada yada yada" arguments, please try to refrain unless it is directly related to the topic at hand. (Sorry if this sounds like a school lesson/teacher writing this right now, I've just been frustrated at thread drift and trolls lately).

IRAN = EVIL SCUM or what is really going on with this agitprop around Iran?

Thank you ATS - I love you guys! So many of you remind me why there is still hope for mankind (although we all have seen both ends of the spectrum on the forums I'm sure).

-FamCore


Good topic.

I invite everyone here to look up the history of Iranian aggression versus Western aggression. If one was to make a T-chart of Western/Western ally aggression versus Iranian, it would demonstrate clearly that the aggressor by far is the West. Iran in fact has initiated very few conflicts in a long long time.

Moreover, the West also armed Iran's enemies, such as Iraq. There is solid evidence that US intelligence provided targeting information for the very units who attacked Iran with chemical weapons.

Thirdly, it is factual that the CIA overthrew the Iranian regime in the 50's, installing the puppet Shah.

Cue the mysterious western apologists in 3....2.....1...
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posted on May, 14 2015 @ 08:26 AM
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I am on the same side of the fence as you guys. The fact that we have politicians wasting their time (and OUR money) arguing over Iranian policy and the "Iranian nuclear threat" is beyond me...



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 08:31 AM
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Thank you for this post, First let me say that the people of America, for the most part have no problem with the people of Iran. The 12th imam thing raises many questions, the "death to America" does not really scare anyone due to many reasons. The problem here is our governments, plain and simple, each one has faults uncountable... In America, currently, we have the worst government in our history. We are fed lies constantly, have our wonderful leaders use our hard earned tax dollars to further their agenda ( they each have their own agenda list) and make laws to maintain their power. Only the lazy sheep in this country are happy, but with all of the media focus on LEOs even they are starting to revolt and destroy their own neighborhoods. You let the economy tank here and Washington will burn with the so called leaders there. With all of the info we have fed to us, it is direct from the lying power driven media. On your side, you have leaders ( we are told) whom want America destroyed along with Israel, they are our ally, you cannot change that, period. You threaten one, you threaten the other, and we will defend them. I have personally seen the many, many times your leaders, since 1979, say destroy, destroy...are we supposed to just ignore this??? Would you like our leaders to constantly declare "destroy Iran"? Politics suck at this place in history, and its results are evident to those awake... but until, and only until leaders of both sides stop ALL of the agenda BS, it will remain as it is or worse.......



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Great insights - I know that the U.S. also installed "leaders" who help U.S. interest in South and Central America as well (including psychotic dictators who we knew would not be good for the people of those countries).

All of these shady political activities and yet Iran is painted as the evil of all evils... it's funny how they do that



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14 Sorry, but when you are the world's police, some action must be taken. The world's superpowers are obligated to force policy (as messy as that is) A small country should not try aggression or dictate policy due to the balance of force against them. We do a lot of things wrong, and have not pleased everyone, it is a curse that comes with the moniker. the "aggression balance" is not the real story... AND I am sure, with all of the video and audio out there, I could start a thread on "The demonizing of America by the middle East (Iran)....


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posted on May, 14 2015 @ 08:50 AM
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If I was an Iranian, I'd be making plans to leave as soon as possible. Once Bush is selected the blood shed will begin. It's an established pattern. Or perhaps you haven't noticed.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: teslahowitzer

As far as I know Iran has never tried to "dictate policy" for the U.S. - very unlike the U.S. which tries to dictate policy all over the place (and many times NOT for the betterment of those other places, usually the opposite).

The U.S. appears to be the aggressor in this scenario - not to say Iran is innocent in all this but I feel your sentiment regarding America as the "World Police" also demonstrates how agitprop has been effective in demonizing Iran and making the U.S. seem like the Hero in all of this. (nothing personal against you, not an attack in any way but I disagree with the main theme of your argument)



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:08 AM
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This does not excuse Iran.

HOWEVER. We did go in and overthrow their government back in the 50's.
So while I don't agree with Iran getting nuclear weapons. I understand the motivation.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:08 AM
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Is it not Israel that the U.S. is looking out for? The concern is not what Iran will do to the U.S. per se, but that it would use nukes against Israel, thusly drawing everybody else in; and by doing so effectively starting a world war.

The politics in Iran are very unstable and it is a highly emotional country. I agree they should not have nuclear weapons. The people are great.......... the rulers, not so much.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:08 AM
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I know some people from Iran and they are good people. I fail to see any reasonable argument to support aggressive action.

The banking cartel is an issue, took out Libya. For now Iran is in no man land as the global economy is going through its own tests and strains. Iran is at the cross roads of the EU, Russia, Middle East and China. I am sure they already have more than enough to deal with without adding other megalomaniac globalist agendas to the mix.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: teslahowitzer


In America, currently, we have the worst government in our history.


Yes, and it's called CONGRESS. If it were not for Barack Obama the U.S. would be in wars in almost every country in the ME now.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: angeldoll

So does Iran have some major beef with Israel then? And if so, how did that come to be?

And why is America so invested in Israel's affairs? Is it just because of the political and financial connections our leaders have with theirs?



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: angeldoll

So does Iran have some major beef with Israel then? And if so, how did that come to be?

And why is America so invested in Israel's affairs? Is it just because of the political and financial connections our leaders have with theirs?


Your questions appear to be rhetorical, so I won't bother. : )



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
Is it not Israel that the U.S. is looking out for? The concern is not what Iran will do to the U.S. per se, but that it would use nukes against Israel, thusly drawing everybody else in; and by doing so effectively starting a world war.

The politics in Iran are very unstable and it is a highly emotional country. I agree they should not have nuclear weapons. The people are great.......... the rulers, not so much.

on the contrary , Iran is the most stable and rational country in ME and even beyond .

when was the last time Iran made an irrational decision ? let me refresh your memory : hostage crisis . it was during the early days of the revolution and both seculars and islamists were struggling to get some more power .

nationalist movements + islamic movements wanted US gone (seculars , not so much) . a very sudden mini-revolution (if you will) erupted and students poured into US embassy . you know the rest .

so no buddy , Iranian government enjoys very high amount of public support , its very efficient , rational and formidable in decisions .

now the question is : what did we do to US ? and the opposite : What did US do to Iran ?

comparison of the results will give a clear vision .



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: FamCore

Well, let me be sucked in and respond to this.

I do not apologize whatsoever for U.S. actions in the 'fifties' or forward during the cold-war. Different times, different priorities. Plenty of mistakes made then and now.

Seeing that era is either largely unknown or ignored by you or your Iranian 'apologists', I will simply say fear of Soviet expansion was the order of the day. Iran, or it's then leaders, chose to align with the Soviets and the U.S. countered/blocked it wherever it occurred anywhere in the world.

Six foot wide rear-view mirrors show many instances where, perhaps the U.S. went too far. Yet that assessment only occurred after the defeat of that Soviet expansionism.

To be honest, I'd rebut better having gone 'too far' and win than too little and lose....

It's not a particularly nice planet...


Fast forward to the current mess....

( I will point out, I'm no expert-perhaps a good thing- so my views and explanation is 'simple' in it's wording.)

The current events appears to me to have four major players-I omit Israel as a player as they are largely used as a 'misdirect' to take attention of off their own actions...a smoke-screen- and they are Turkey, with their ambitions to restore a version of the Ottoman Empire, The Iranians/Persians with their similar ambitions, The Saudi/oil is king types that want status-quo and lastly the Isis types that say they want a pure religious region as what's there now is continued lunacy.

The trouble is that bunch has ended up crazier than the rest....

None of the above are concerned with 'survival' of their country, though through their actions they should be- it's expansion through influence with eventual dominance within their region. Simple.

Iran is a major player.

I have a few Ex-pat Iranian friends and acquaintances, both Jewish and Muslim, their stories of the Iranian gov't and their internal actions on their citizens are enlightening. Not nice people at all. Naturally, their actions outside their country would be and are worse. Again simple.

Now the U.S.. I stress NOW. Not the Bushes' era, now. The U.S. is, in fact coordinating with Iran in attacks against Isis. (The enemy of my enemy is my friend) Even Iran views the U.S. as a lesser threat than Isis. At least, at the moment.

If the U.S. really wanted to have at it with Iran, they would flood Iran with weapons, doo-doo stirrers, contractors...everything under the sun that would create the same 'revolutionary' situation that has occurred farther west in numerous other ME nations.

Prima Facie evidence is they have not done so.

In fact, the U.S. policy under Obama with Iran is appeasement. Even the piracy of a U.S. flagged ship and the retention of numerous U.S. citizens has created no significant response from Obama other than to escort U.S. and U.K. ships through the strait and then ordered those same U.S. military ships to retreat if confronted by the Iranian navy!

Please imagine what the consequences of that act would have been under Bush, Reagan, even Clinton....

All Obama wants is an Nuclear agreement with Iran, at least partially for legacy purposes, and is backing off in every possible way with Iran to achieve that.

Iran is taking full advantage of that fact.

I qualify that by saying that is at this moment in time. Later? Under a different president? It's a grim future in the ME.

This is only my opinion based on limited knowledge via culling out the wheat from the chaff of the various P.R. machines.

I could be totally wrong. Much, much more going on here than I could get a grip on.....



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posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:57 AM
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Even the piracy of a U.S. flagged ship and the retention of numerous U.S. citizens has created no significant response from Obama other than to escort U.S. and U.K. ships through the strait and then ordered those same U.S. ships to retreat if confronted by the Iranian navy!

It has been proven that ship held no Americans and the nation that ship belonged to owed Iran a debt. It is no different than you not paying for a car and the bank repossessed it.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: FamCore

Here is an idea, the US should invade the US and win the hearts and minds of the population by building infrastructure and putting locals to work.

Irans only problem is that Chevron, Exxon and Haliburtons oil is under Irans dirt.




posted on May, 14 2015 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

So I am an "Iranian apologist" because I'm asking why the West is deadset on demonizing Iran? Sorry, but this is not the case at all. I just haven't seen any legitimate threats made by Iran even though the media/representatives try to make it appear that way.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: FamCore
the US should invade the US and win the hearts and minds of the population by building infrastructure and putting locals to work.

Irans only problem is that Chevron, Exxon and Haliburtons oil is under Irans dirt.


Very well-said SublimeCraft - I would love to see more energy and resources being invested in domestic development, but we both know U.S. officials are most concerned with themselves and the groups that help fund them



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