Can we measure the damage that J Maussan Hoaxes are doing to serious UFOLOGY? or Science?

a reply to: The angel of light

The Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA) is a United States federal law enacted on 16 November 1990.

The Act requires federal agencies and institutions that receive federal funding to return Native American "cultural items" to lineal descendants and culturally affiliated Indian tribes and Native Hawaiian organizations. Cultural items include human remains, funerary objects, sacred objects, and objects of cultural patrimony. A program of federal grants assists in the repatriation process and the Secretary of the Interior may assess civil penalties on museums that fail to comply.

NAGPRA also establishes procedures for the inadvertent discovery or planned excavation of Native American cultural items on federal or tribal lands. While these provisions do not apply to discoveries or excavations on private or state lands, the collection provisions of the Act does apply to Native American cultural items if they come under the control of an institution that receives federal funding. Since this native American child was under the control of the United States National Park service at its Mesa Verde Museum, this child is covered by NAGPRA.

Lastly, NAGPRA makes it a criminal offense to traffic in Native American human remains without right of possession or in Native American cultural items obtained in violation of the Act. Penalties for a first offense may reach 12 months imprisonment and a $100,000 fine.

Therefor, Maussan is treading on dangerous legal ground by publicly offering a $10,000 reward for the body of the mummified Native American child.

The intent of the NAGPRA legislation is to address long-standing claims by federally recognized tribes for the return of human remains and cultural objects unlawfully obtained from prehistoric, historic, former, and current Native American homelands.

As the research as shown, the mummified Native American child was originally removed from an archaeological dig site. The body subsequently was turned over some years later to a National Parks museum - Mesa Verde. NAGPRA compelled the National Park Service to return said child back to Native Americans. In this case, the specific Native American tribe being the Pueblos.

Most presumably, this child was buried in the ground in 1990 on Pueblo land in the western United States, by the Pueblos.

Collections holders are obliged to inform and engage with tribes whose materials, including human remains, they may possess. NAGPRA was enacted primarily at the insistence and by the direction of members of Native American nations.

It has long been the time to let this deceased Native American boy rest in peace in the land of his descendants.

a reply to: LiteraryJourney

Well Dear LiteraryJourney,

Mr Maussan has offered U$5000 for just pictures of it and U$10000 for just to certify where it is the mummy located, in other words he does not require to have the mummy to pay the reward.

The Translation of his words from the twiter in Spanish to English is misleading, it was taken out of context, he has not offered money to buy the mummy, just to whoever has modern pictures of it and also if it is still in a museum to provide official report where is located .

The verb "Presentar" in Spanish does not mean necessarily to bring, it is enough to show where it is, it is equally possible to let him and the public opinion to know where is located. Now, he has used in the text of the offering of the reward the word "Museo" that is in English Museum, so he assumes it is part of the collection of some institution that of course is not going to sell it.

The idea that he is offering money to buy human remains is part of the many distortions made by who are decided to make him the escaping goat of this scandal.

Now, with such a Law that you have mentioned it is absolutely impossible that any museum that had the mummy sometime ago would have returned it to the native American, lets say the Pueblo or any other group, without having certified the devolution with an official document that of course must includes photos.

That photographic material necessarily must be more recent than the slide of the Ray Marriage, so possibly taken long after 1947, and it will be good enough to earn the 5000 or even the 10000 dollars of the reward, according with the own words published of Mr Maussan and his associates in his website.

There is nothing criminal or illegal what so ever into request and obtain a certified copy of that document and pictures from the archives of the respective museum.

Even an old magazine or visitors guide of that museum is likely that contain the photos of that mummy that now is claimed is the same of the so called Roswell slides. It is impossible that it was never documented in all its time in the museum, that is absolutely not professional, no museum in the world does not have photographic catalogue of its items.


I think you have read too much about people demonizing Maussan, after all if he is guilty of any crime for this scandal should be after the entire dream team and also after Adam Dew.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

My belief in life elsewhere in the universe isn't touched by this at all.

That is completely separate from my skepticism of alien visitation.

Who now and what slides?

a reply to: The angel of light

If at the end of the story those tests show that the creature is not human, in spite to be a mummy, as one professor of the National Forensic institute of Mexico says, supporting Maussan claims, then who is right now the favorite villain of the Ufology and the object of all the mockery should turn to be immediately the maximum Hero of this discipline.

If those supposed children mummies of the native Americans (or Egyptians) are really extraterrestrial bodies of the ancient past preserved by their ancestors or by the dessert environmental conditions, then the Roswell incident will appear to be as Joke in comparison with such a finding.



Dear Readers,

Here the video posted in youtube of the official act of presentation of the report of the National Mexican Institute of Forensic Sciences concerning the body showed in the so called Roswell Slides.

The Presentation was introduced by Mr Miguel Angel Alvarez, Director of the Institute, so it has the full endorsement of that coorporation.

The presentation was carried out by Dr Jose de Jesus Zalce-Benitez , Forensic Physican of the Institute and graduated in the school of that discipline of the Mexican National Army, so he is a military.

Here it is the video , with subtitles in English.

www.youtube.com...

I think this is a material that pay off to be checked, I am not asking to accept their findings or conclusions, but it is fair to be showed and discusssed here due to the magnitude of the scandal generated from the presentation of those slides.

If there is anybody in the forum with forensic Medical studies, or any Physician or Biologist, it would be really interesting to know other concepts and also any possible criticism of their methods, their way to conclude and their diagnostics.

By the way some important conclusions of this team of experts were:

- it is not a normal human mummy, it has huge anatomic anomalies.

- it shows preservation using formaldehyde, alcohol and formol.

- it shows that the death may be connected with a possible physical trauma of an accident at great speed.

- There are no known pathologies that can alter a human body to look as the one of the slides.

- The proportions of the bones defy any possibility for a human.

- The diameter of the head is practically the same length of the back or thorax.

- The size of the head is as big as the Thorax and abdomen together.

- The body does not have upper jaw and masseter.

- The number of ribs does not correspond to the human ones, are only 6 pairs, in different angle.

- There are no mammal glandes and no ears.

- The human mummies don't have preserved eyes of such size .

So this is the Medical report that defies the hypothesis that is a human mummy, either native American or Egyptian, and that is shocking with the findings in the placard.

Is this a case of missidentification of a Human mummy or a case of missclassification by a museum archivist or curator that labeled a body in exhibition as child mummy?

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

That guy!! Isn't Maussan the same dude who was backing that video of a grey alien reaching out from behind a pole and grabbing some kid? And he was like "we now have absolute proof...".
How does he even get to still be in the ufo field? Why do people listen to him?

A letter to the director of MUFON from one of their Assistant State Directors about Maussan appearing at their Symposium is causing a stir:

Hi Jan,
I'm the Chief Investigator and Assistant State Director for MUFON Wisconsin, and I have a request to make concerning this year's Symposium.

No doubt you have followed the sad saga of the Roswell Slides hoax, and so you must realize how inappropriate it would be to have Jaime Maussan appear at the 2015 Symposium.

High Strangeness: Eradicating the UFO Pestilence

What about it, does Jaime Maussan deserve a platform at the MUFON Symposium?

a reply to: CardDown

It is clear to me from their Hangar 1 series that MUFON is lacking in discernment. Time traveling soldier, who was based on Mars, is presented on the show for serious consideration, I think Maussan will fit right in.