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I think we are all drugged. Mind control drugged.

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posted on May, 12 2015 @ 05:31 AM
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originally posted by: PeterMcFly
a reply to: Ritter327

The only thing I can tell you for sure is that I'm very often intoxicated by the secretion of Saccharomyces cerevisiae and it's most probably an OGM version like the strain Lalvin EC-1118.

I bet the site owner SO often get intoxicated with such evil secretion...


Okaay

No more ATS for you, bad petermcfly bad




posted on May, 12 2015 @ 05:31 AM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: JUhrman

So what makes Belgium so superior?


Classical Anglo-saxon defense; when you get criticized, attack the other side and ignore the valid criticism. That why you are not capable of self-examination.

I have plenty of criticisms against Belgians and it's not the point of the thread. The thread is why the general apathy and the Americans are the champions of apathy. Just check the news. That's why they allow each passing day for corporations and their gov to screw them a little more yet they don't do anything about it.


Also someone from probably an anglo-saxon country calling Belgium bigoted, racist, and without immigration. You got to love the irony here...
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posted on May, 12 2015 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: JUhrman

The reason no one can really compare Belgium and America is because you can't compare THE CRIMES

Hello.....9/11 anyone ?



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 05:37 AM
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originally posted by: Ritter327
a reply to: JUhrman

The reason no one can really compare Belgium and America is because you can't compare THE CRIMES

Hello.....9/11 anyone ?


Oh I get it. 9/11 is really terrible and the reason why people are apathetic.

I guess Belgium should be super apathetic too after getting raped twice during WW1 and WW2 too then. Not.



Sorry there is literally no excuse for apathy but laziness, fear or egoism



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 05:39 AM
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a reply to: JUhrman

Ritter already mentioned building 7 in OP

He meant 9/11 as in inside job, I think you misunderstood him.



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 05:42 AM
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Oh no! I am a free thinker! I don't give in to herd mentality! I don't follow a crowd! I'm individualistic, I go my own way, all alone, and am not dependent on any government or any group! I don't need to pay attention to any "they", for "they" don't impact my choices or life!
I'm an island, an the rest of you are sheep. I'll have none of it.
I'mma gonna buy myself a cuppa at Starbucks and do some shopping, and ignore your bleets. I'll tweet about it too.



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 05:44 AM
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originally posted by: TorinoFer
a reply to: JUhrman

Ritter already mentioned building 7 in OP

He meant 9/11 as in inside job, I think you misunderstood him.



I get it.

Yet if it was only 9/11 the problem I would get it.

There are tons of other reasons to be angry in the US (GMOs, Patriot act, deregulation without concern of people, ...) yet people hardly do anything about it.

Either they are scared of the government, either they don't care enough.

I think they don't care enough. Like another poster said "why risk what you have?". Well why would you even risk what you have saying you disagree with the gov? I think it's simply a convenient excuse to not have to get up from the couch and miss the superbowl.


Panem et circenses.



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 05:47 AM
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a reply to: JUhrman

Firstly, I'm Australian. So its not a classical American defense. Secondly, I'm interested in why you think the issue of citizens being non-interested in protesting against corporate & government corruption is exclusive to anglo countries?

Shutting off your borders and just letting countries like the US deal with the rest of the worlds problems, sounds kind of apathetic to me.

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posted on May, 12 2015 @ 05:53 AM
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originally posted by: Ritter327

originally posted by: skalla
Seriously, if all of this is how you think and act, then it would appear that you are simply apathetic.


Duhh

That's my point I am probably drugged.


You may well be which is entirely your own business, but you were suggesting that we all are.



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Secondly, I'm interested in why you think the issue of citizens being non-interested in protesting against corporate & government corruption is exclusive to anglo countries?


Apathy isn't an Anglo-Saxon specialty, only American, and quite modern. It did not use to be like that, before the entertainment industry became so important.

My point about anglo-saxon cultures is that they are usually overly patriotic and don't really stand criticisms if it's not coming from some compatriots. Most of the criticisms I make about the US are usually acknowledged among Americans, they just really hate it when it's a foreigner saying it. I think it's misplaced patriotic pride. European countries are usually much less patriotic and agree with criticisms when they are valid.



originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Shutting off your borders and just letting countries like the US deal with the rest of the worlds problems, sounds kind of apathy to me.



Immigrants in the US are around 13% of the population, the same as in Belgium. Germany, France, UK, Netherlands are at 11%. Spain and Sweden 14%. Austria 15%.


I don't know where you got you info our borders are more closed than say America but it's untrue and probably propaganda BS. I guess you never visited Europe lately if you claim there is no immigration and that borders are closed. We basically live next to Africa and Eastern Europe, I don't think you know what you talk about when saying we deal with different issues than the US.



Australia has a higher immigrant rate but you are almost begging for immigrants so it's quite normal...
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posted on May, 12 2015 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: Ritter327

I don't think we need to look much further than (most) television, I am not sure drugs would be necessary.



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Secondly, I'm interested in why you think the issue of citizens being non-interested in protesting against corporate & government corruption is exclusive to anglo countries?

Australia has a higher immigrant rate but you are almost begging for immigrants so it's quite normal...


I don't know where you got the idea we're begging for immigrants from, our current government won the election on the promise of "stopping the boats", lol. I don't know where you got the immigration rates from either. But I was going by population growth, where the US, canada and Australia has doubled in size since the 1960's, but the smaller western European countries have barely grown by 30%.

Anyway........ to answer my own question I asked you, it would seem most western European countries have more freedom of press than the US, or Australia for that matter (since we aren't any better, when it comes to apathy, imo).

List of freedom indices

So I doubt its because we're being drugged or just eat to much McDonalds and watch to much TV that makes us 'compliant slaves'. More likely the blame is with unscrupulous media moguls like rupert murdoch, who have the power to manipulate the masses in whatever direction serves there own political agenda.



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 07:18 AM
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How do you explain as skepticOverlord (whom i disagree with on many things) suggested that despite building 7 on 9/11, no one is doing anything about it.


Because what a 9/11 conspiracy theorist sees as a smoking gun, like WTC-7 the rest of us have a much more realistic take on the events. Its not because we have been drugged, its simply because we are not as susceptible to conspiracy theories.

The idea that we have been drugged into believing things like the official story of 9/11 is total bollocks!

If that were the case they why have you not been drugged?



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Ritter327

I don't think we need to look much further than (most) television, I am not sure drugs would be necessary.


I agree with you. Many, many programs on TV as well as TV ads are created to hypnotize people; and many people are susceptible to hypnotism There are the hidden subliminal messages in programs and advertizing and this strategy crosses over into the radio...music...and movie theaters.



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
More likely the blame is with unscrupulous media moguls like rupert murdoch, who have the power to manipulate the masses in whatever direction serves there own political agenda.



I agree. But it doesn't lift the blame from the people. They aren't forced to watch these biased media which are usually exclusively TV.

Written papers and internet sources are usually a bit more nuanced than fox news. Usually.


originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
I don't know where you got the immigration rates from either.


www.migrationpolicy.org...


Immigrants accounted for 13 percent of the total 316 million U.S. residents



There is a lot of misinformation about this topic going on because it's a sensible topic used by politicians to get votes. I can assure you there is not more immigration in the US than in Europe. Population growth isn't caused by immigration solely, you ignore birth. And the birth rate is higher in the US for various reasons (more religious, younger population, ...) Europe also has to deal with a lot of specific immigration problem and if you ever come here you would understand what I mean.
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posted on May, 12 2015 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: JUhrman

As far as no protests happening, that's just nonsense. They happen constantly. They just don't get covered by the media unless there's also rioting going on because our media is absolutely terrible. They exist for ratings, period.

As far as the rest, did you ever think maybe it's easier to organize people in a country such as yours? You do realize your country has 1/3 the population of just California? It's not the same, you can't compare. Belgium had 11.2 million people on the last census. California alone has over 30 million people.

So, setting aside the fact that there are protests all the time, it's still not the same. It's easy to sit in another country with a much smaller population, and therefore fewer issues to deal with, and just cast aspersions on other people. If you're so sure you can make meaningful changes, come on over, we'll welcome you with open arms. Let's see what you can do.



posted on May, 12 2015 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: Pimpish
a reply to: JUhrman

As far as no protests happening, that's just nonsense. They happen constantly. They just don't get covered by the media unless there's also rioting going on because our media is absolutely terrible. They exist for ratings, period.

As far as the rest, did you ever think maybe it's easier to organize people in a country such as yours? You do realize your country has 1/3 the population of just California? It's not the same, you can't compare. Belgium had 11.2 million people on the last census. California alone has over 30 million people.

So, setting aside the fact that there are protests all the time, it's still not the same. It's easy to sit in another country with a much smaller population, and therefore fewer issues to deal with, and just cast aspersions on other people. If you're so sure you can make meaningful changes, come on over, we'll welcome you with open arms. Let's see what you can do.



These are all valid points.

Yet I fail to see what the American population achieved lately as far as making the government go back regarding unpopular issues through mass social activism.

When you read the net it seems that Americans are massively unhappy with what the government is doing.

Yet all they seem to do it about it is complain online or organizing small protests with less than 10.000 people.


In other countries when they are truly unhappy they get out and show the government. I don't see that to same extent in the US anymore. Just an observation.


On the other hand I always read tons of different excuses on why not to protest. I never really get it I actually like a good massive protest
It's really one of these times when you feel part of something bigger than yourself. I guess it's more of a thing that happens in countries with socialist parties existing, that would explain what it's quite rare in the US.
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posted on May, 12 2015 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: smirkley
Protests rarely produce results short of lip service from whom you protest against. And then it is business as usual.


Then you are not protesting right. Like I said the Americans haven't made an efficient protest since the Vietnam war.

In the rest of the world it does get variable results so it's why people still do it.


So where is the protesting of America and how is it working out for those foreign countries?




In other countries when they are truly unhappy they get out and show the government. I don't see that to same extent in the US anymore. Just an observation.


Its called using Machiavelian tactics with some sprinkles of diversions and putting focus on the symptoms and not the real problem.

Bottom line as long as people are content they won't revolt. Solution change what defines content for the people at a slow enough pace and they won't notice the tip getting in deeper until its to late.

Other countries people revolt more because there leaders practice versus head on fear and intimidation tactics versus Machiavellian tactics. They don't even bother giving their people the illusion of hope and freedom, hence they have nothing to lose.

Both governing methods try to accomplish the same thing but the Machiavellian tactics is the smarter and longer lasting method of getting ,managing and keeping control.

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posted on May, 12 2015 @ 09:21 AM
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I agree, there is much apathy here. However, if you do a search on protests in the US you will see they are happening pretty regularly. I personally don't think any protest is going to change anything here. The only way we'll get real change here is with our vote.

The problem with that is "TPTB" have done such a great job of dividing the country and the population has fallen for it completely. Republicans versus democrats, citizens versus immigrants, skin colors versus skin colors. It's all a way to divide and it's worked wonderfully for them.

It always amazes me when people vote down the party line just based on the fact that x person is in x party. To vote for someone just because there's a (D) or (R) next to their name is ludicrous. The same idiots keep getting voted in over and over. Either the election system is rigged, which is possible, or people are just that stupid, which is just as possible.

If people could just put aside the bipartisan nonsense and vote based on issues that would be a great start. Sadly, I don't think that will ever happen. I personally have been advocating for years that we vote every single incumbent out of office. Every single one. I feel like that would send a message.

ETA: This is some news on some recent protests that happened in multiple cities involving thousands of people. They do happen. www.theguardian.com...
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posted on May, 12 2015 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42

Its called using Machiavelian tactics.



And it's what modern politicians are doing too so it's all fair the people use the same tactics.



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