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originally posted by: Unity_99
Perception - The reality beyond matter
originally posted by: rickymouse
The out of body does not have to be anything other than seeing through the eyes of another being, even a fly or mosquito. Linking with other minds. It doesn't even have to be anything other then memories created by another organism or person.
This reality is very real to us no matter if it is real or similated. You cut yourself and you bleed, you get shot in the chest and you will die.
This other being that is in control, sounds kind of like what is referred to as god. We could just be a microscopic part of a bigger organism, one we cannot identify from this speck in the universe. I am not restricted from believing there could be more to this than what science has already discovered. It could all be real and the earth could have a collective consiousness. There could be hundreds of things that we have not discovered yet that could better explain things than science has theorized or conditioned us to believe.
Our consciousness is guided by our conditioning, we have been conditioned since we were born. We were taught to see things as our parents and society sees them. We were taught to think like what they want us to think like and if you do not see things their way, they have a disease name for that. Much of our conditioning is necessary while other conditioning is just to make others rich or to give power to others to run things. But that is life, it varies from country to country, but basically all societies condition us. The conditioning also evolves faster than we can adapt to it now, it wasn't nearly as stressful fifty years ago.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Elementalist
I'm trying to follow your logic here only to find there isn't any. One premise never leads to the next one. It's called a non-sequitur.
Personally, learning about reality from someone who prefers sleep and hibernation seems backwards. Your explorations are made from your bed.
A consciousness or soul having a human experience? Haven't heard that one before. I have to wonder if you are speaking about reality or simply repeating someone else's mantra.
As you are someone so familiar with this thing called consciousness, what is consciousness and what are its properties?
This is very disheartening to me; as one who has dream walked, Astral traveled remote viewed and a plethora of of experiences while out of body, consciously.
Let's start destruction this fantastic idea; it would assume that our universe is nothing less, nothing more then an artifical structure built or created by a more advanced being(s).
Would assume gravity is nothing but a program. Biology, chemistry, physics and all the natures that create the universe and within, are just mere programs of an artificial intelligence.
These programs would be set in place by an advanced mind, which is conscious and aware of what it is doing, before it's does (thought before action).
We as humans, are conscious of our experience in the body (via 5 sense signals), as well as within the dream/Astral/paralell space.
For this entire simulation to have truth, the projection then, comes from inside us, within the parallel space that the bodies 5 senses cannot receive signals of.
You CAN experience your "other side", your consciousness is there, but the bridge is worn out and need rebuilding so to speak. I have keys for anyone interested, U2U.
The only thing that i know to be certain is that :
1) - No one here including me or you really KNOWS anything about the truth of this reality. We just have opinions and our points of view. You MAY know more once you die. You MAY not...
2) - Its incredibly foolish and naive to take an ultimate stance on anything in life. Once you close your mind to a possibility other than the one you currently have your lessen yourself intellectually is how i feel. Take that or leave it, I don't care but I see many absolute statements here and have made some myself...but i do often reflect on and re ananlyze my thoughts and statements based on new information i come across and I am certain many people here and elsewhere do not.