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originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: Philippines
That is one of the most outrageous comments in this thread, and that is saying something. The Missionary goal of "Kill the Indian, save the man" is not looked at favourably by any of the nations. I find your claim of "indigenous folk" who are "thankful for being saved from themselves" highly dubious at best.
Native Americans were no more "Barbaric and Savage" than European settlers and most had a far more enlightened view of the role of EVERYONE in the society, including women.
The assumption that Christian Superiority was ever legitimate is something the remaining indigenous tribes of North America are still trying to recover from in the 21st Century.
originally posted by: Jobeycool
Do people ever stop arguing over this nonsense when Christian heritage is all over the place in this country.Like zombies and robots arguing.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Our country was founded by Christian refugees and was then populated by literally every type of Christian the world has ever seen.
Back in the 1930s, business leaders found themselves on the defensive. Their public prestige had plummeted with the Great Crash; their private businesses were under attack by Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal from above and labor from below. To regain the upper hand, corporate leaders fought back on all fronts. They waged a figurative war in statehouses and, occasionally, a literal one in the streets; their campaigns extended from courts of law to the court of public opinion. But nothing worked particularly well until they began an inspired public relations offensive that cast capitalism as the handmaiden of Christianity.
The two had been described as soul mates before, but in this campaign they were wedded in pointed opposition to the “creeping socialism” of the New Deal. The federal government had never really factored into Americans’ thinking about the relationship between faith and free enterprise, mostly because it had never loomed that large over business interests. But now it cast a long and ominous shadow.
Accordingly, throughout the 1930s and ’40s, corporate leaders marketed a new ideology that combined elements of Christianity with an anti-federal libertarianism. Powerful business lobbies like the United States Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers led the way, promoting this ideology’s appeal in conferences and P.R. campaigns. Generous funding came from prominent businessmen, from household names like Harvey Firestone, Conrad Hilton, E. F. Hutton, Fred Maytag and Henry R. Luce to lesser-known leaders at U.S. Steel, General Motors and DuPont.
In a shrewd decision, these executives made clergymen their spokesmen. As Sun Oil’s J. Howard Pew noted, polls proved that ministers could mold public opinion more than any other profession. And so these businessmen worked to recruit clergy through private meetings and public appeals. Many answered the call, but three deserve special attention.
The Rev. James W. Fifield — known as “the 13th Apostle of Big Business” and “Saint Paul of the Prosperous” — emerged as an early evangelist for the cause. Preaching to pews of millionaires at the elite First Congregational Church in Los Angeles, Mr. Fifield said reading the Bible was “like eating fish — we take the bones out to enjoy the meat. All parts are not of equal value.” He dismissed New Testament warnings about the corrupting nature of wealth. Instead, he paired Christianity and capitalism against the New Deal’s “pagan statism.”
Through his national organization, Spiritual Mobilization, founded in 1935, Mr. Fifield promoted “freedom under God.” By the late 1940s, his group was spreading the gospel of faith and free enterprise in a mass-circulated monthly magazine and a weekly radio program that eventually aired on more than 800 stations nationwide. It even encouraged ministers to preach sermons on its themes in competitions for cash prizes. Liberals howled at the group’s conflation of God and greed; in 1948, the radical journalist Carey McWilliams denounced it in a withering exposé. But Mr. Fifield exploited such criticism to raise more funds and redouble his efforts.
originally posted by: Guidance.Is.Internal
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Again, this is just silliness. Christian Nation vs Nation of Christians. Who cares? It was predominantly Christian, still is predominantly Christian, and will probably remain so for the next century. You may say it's not the official religion, but for all intents and purposes, the prevailing religion is Christianity. Why is this so hard to fathom?
originally posted by: Guidance.Is.Internal
a reply to: Barcs
You're dragging up atrocities from centuries and millennia ago when Islamists are carrying out equally horrible acts as we speak. Yet, here we are talking about whether the US is a Christian Nation of a Nation of Christians. Waste of time. I'm sure there are people in your lineage somewhere down the line who were absolutely ruthless, horrible people. Should I hold you responsible for that?
You can fixate on irrelevant issues like whether the religion is "official" as much as you like. It matters not when the vast majority of Americans identify as Christians. It only matters to people like you who have an axe to grind against a certain religion. Moving on ..