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“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
~John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
originally posted by: Gorman91
a reply to: AboveBoard
You're assuming innocent people exist in wartime.
In wartime, women and children are assets of the enemy. Destroying them destroys my enemy.
You're doing that thing again. Using contemporary words and assuming they haven't changed from their ancient times.
originally posted by: Gorman91
a reply to: Grimpachi
Half of these don't even talk about separation of church and state, and the other half either repeat previous points or go on tangents.
I, too, can quote random quotes if you'd like?
"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible...Some books on Deism fell into my hands...It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared much stronger than the refutations; in short I soon became a thorough deist."
-Benjamin Franklin, "Toward the Mystery" (autobiography)
"When the clergy addressed General Washington on his departure from the government, it was observed in their consultation, that he had never, on any occasion, said a word to the public which showed a belief in the Christian religion, and they thought they should so pen their address, as to force him at length to declare publicly whether he was a Christian or not. They did so. However, the old fox was too cunning for them. He answered every article of their address particularly except that, which he passed over without notice....he never did say a word of it in any of his public papers...Governor Morris has often told me that General Washington believed no more of that (Christian) system than he himself did.
-Thomas Jefferson, diary entry, 2/1/1799
originally posted by: windword
How can a nation profess to have Christian values and still carry the sentiments of your above statement? How can a Christian nation enforce borders or decide who is and isn't worthy of entry, amnesty or asylum?
If The United States of America ever was a Christian nation, then it is a bigger example of hypocrisy than the Vatican! If however, the United States of America is a government of the people, by the people and for the people, then the bond of the people's fortitude is the basis of their country.
The founding fathers never intended for our leaders to wrap their politics in a cloak of divinity. They got enough of that in England.
Cool so rather than explain how choosing rationalism over superstition = America is not a Christian nation (Despite Luther having argued similar grounds, and advocating for a properly regulated Christian nation that is separate from Christian faith), you say I'm too dumb to understand.
Cool story brah. Tell me again how posting random quotes = "I'm right" in your mind. Lend me more reason to view you as a pseudo-intelectual
That's what you asked, and I'm pointing out that a "Muslim nation" does just that. It, like any other theocratic nation, will act in contravention of whatever holy scriptures for political expediency.