Seymour Hersh: Obama's Entire Account Of bin Laden's Death Is One Big Lie

a reply to: gazzerman

So you are taking a story that says basically that the Pakistan government knew about the raid beforehand, and extrapolating that into it really never happened at all, or he was already dead type of conspiracy bias.

Nice!

Good to see all of those NAMED sources Seymour references.

Truly makes his report much more believable.

A guy who wasn't there, who is using possibly fake sources as they are unnamed.

Yep...totally believable.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: schuyler

People are SO willing to believe anything negative about Obama, they don't even consider the source, the "proof" or the likelihood of the details. You can lead a horse to water...

The Many Problems with Seymour Hersh's Osama bin Laden Conspiracy Theory

The story simply does not hold up to scrutiny — and, sadly, is in line with Hersh's recent turn away from the investigative reporting that made him famous into unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

Proof or not, articles like these ruin any chance for proof and truth to see the light of day simply because of how dismissive people are towards conspiracy theorists.

a reply to: gazzerman

Burying Bin Laden on land would have given others' a shrine to his memory.
If he was responsible for 9/11 then dumping his ass in the sea is appropriate.

Here is a wonderful discussion on the article and the operation between Ian McMasters of Background Briefing and Robert Baer, former CIA middle east expert. He also talks a bit about unanswered questions about 9/11. The piece is about 15/20 minutes long.

The 1st part of the show is that discussion and there is more (which I didn't hear) in the 2nd portion of todays program.

ianmasters.com...

The wiki biography of Robert Baer:

en.wikipedia.org...

As a side note, this is from an independent radio station, KPFK, which most would consider very left learn. The point being that Liberals/Progressies/Socialists are horrified by some of Obama's actions (fast track TPP, letting Shell drill in the Artic) and actually seek the truth. And can change their minds when the evidence warrants.

Anyone who didn't smell a big steaming cow flop in the official story must have corks stuffed up their nostrils.
Pics or it didn't happen.
The guy is probably sipping cocktails on beautiful beach.

Doesn't surprise me one bit

Was Mr. Hersh there?
NUFF SAID.

a reply to: gazzerman

Totally agree OP, when I heard they just dumped the body
out to sea, convinced me, that this story was definitely
suspicious, especially since I had read official government
statements several times over the years that Osama Bin Laden
was already dead.

From what I understand he was under going Kidney Dialysis in
Riad, at the time of 9-11, and we're to believe that he was going
from cave to cave in Afghanistan with his Dialysis machine the entire
time.

I still remember Bill Cooper saying that only a moron would believe
that the government with all of it's assets couldn't find Osama
Bin Laden but some jerk off reporter with a camera crew were
able to find him and interview him.

Rebel 5

P.S. Did they ever release the video of whatever Obama
and the others were all watching at the white house during
this attack on Bin Laden? We all say them watching something
but I never saw what they were watching.

Of course the idea they had to throw him in the sea never made sense for this reason:


Salafi, Wahhabis don’t believe in going to grave sites to herald the dead

Hersh has been forever assaulted for having weak sources.

When he broke the My Lai massacre he had weak sources (but got a Pulitzer)

When he broke the Abu Ghraib scandal he had weak sources.

He has always had weak sources when he went against the Gov (maybe that's why people talk to him = he keeps his mouth shut).

Hersh is hardly a wet behind the ear blogger out to make a name for himself.

Is what he saying the truth? I don't know.

I just know the official story has more holes than a 25m target.

a reply to: rebelv

The whole kidney dialysis stuff came out from a series of what really amounts to Chinese whispers between the press during the early 2000's.

As for what they were watching, contrary to popular belief, what they were watching was not live footage from helmet cams but rather the over head feed form the drone high above the compound (I think i am right in saying it was a RQ-170).

Here's an early attempt to put Bin Laden to rest....

Report: Bin Laden Already Dead (Published December 26, 2001)

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.

Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

hmmm

a reply to: xuenchen

If i recall, that report when you trace it all back came from one source who said he had attended Bin Ladens funeral inside Tora-Bora in early December 2001.

I remember looking into this claim once and dismissing it because of a few things, principally because Dalton Fury the Delta Force commander on the ground says he listened to Bin Laden via radio making transmissions in mid-December (December 15 if i recall). There were also reports that UK SBS may also have actually had a visual on Bin Laden as he left the battle (but not verified). I am pretty sure there were a few other things about the report that never quite added up. I might look into it a little bit again later and try to provide some sources.

a reply to: gazzerman
you believe that aman with advanced kidney disease lasred all those years until seals came and took him out?
i believe that turd died in afganistan or pakistan probably in 2002 or 2003.thats why there has never been a real follow up attack since 911. trust me this great usa is not that well protected. i men we can't even stop all the illegal aliens crossing from mexico .

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: gazzerman
you believe that aman with advanced kidney disease lasred all those years until seals came and took him out?
i believe that turd died in afganistan or pakistan probably in 2002 or 2003.thats why there has never been a real follow up attack since 911. trust me this great usa is not that well protected. i men we can't even stop all the illegal aliens crossing from mexico .

sigh....

I cannot honestly believe some of the stuff that people will believe when it comes to this topic.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: xuenchen

If i recall, that report when you trace it all back came from one source who said he had attended Bin Ladens funeral inside Tora-Bora in early December 2001.

I remember looking into this claim once and dismissing it because of a few things, principally because Dalton Fury the Delta Force commander on the ground says he listened to Bin Laden via radio making transmissions in mid-December (December 15 if i recall). There were also reports that UK SBS may also have actually had a visual on Bin Laden as he left the battle (but not verified). I am pretty sure there were a few other things about the report that never quite added up. I might look into it a little bit again later and try to provide some sources.

The fact that Dalton Fury may have heard bin Laden issuing orders in mid-December does not preclude the possibility that he died a few days later. The December 7, 2001 video tape showed him looking pale and weak:
www.myvideo.de...
There is therefore no logic in your dismissal of the story in the Egyptian newspaper al-Wafd on Dember 26, 2001 (reported later by the New York Times and Fox News) that a member of the Taliban had attended his funeral ten days earlier. People who accept the US government version of events and all those dummy bin Laden videos that have been debunked by experts will of course want to find any reason they can to dismiss the story that bin Laden died in December, 2001. The flimsy reason you gave is inadequate rebuttal.

originally posted by: kazryll
a reply to: gazzerman

Personally I always thought Benazir Bhutto's claim that Osama bin Laden's was disposed of years before the U.S. claimed they did it interesting - and unfortunate she was then assassinated.

Me too.

Here is an interesting addition to this story:
www.rawstory.com...
Blogger says ‘there’s no way’ Seymour Hersh didn’t see her 2011 bin Laden story

Hersh makes no mention of Hillhouse or her nearly
four year-old article that appeared on her blog
devoted to the outsourcing of the war on terror,
The Spy Who Billed Me.

“It’s nice to see something come out that supports and confirms my work,” she said in an interview with Raw Story. “But it’s a mixed bag in that it was rather shocking to see that there was absolutely no acknowledgment of the prior work. Because there’s no way he could have done research on this topic and not come across my work.

“My background is in academics. When someone takes an existing skeleton then brings it up and presents it as completely new story of their own, that would be greatly frowned upon. There would be some serious issues that your work was really derivative and you’re making it appear that it’s original. In other words, he didn’t break the story and he should have acknowledged it.”

a reply to: micpsi

Bin Laden died one May first 2011 in Abbottabad Pakistan.

He did not die in December of 2001.

why?

Well for a few reasons, the big one that comes to mind is that in accordance with his faith his death would have to have been announced in some way such as we saw after his actual death in 2011. Also following his death there were numerous videos of him, there was audio tapes, there is a whole history behind his eventual death that has been very well documented. Dalton fury state he personally heard bin laden in radio intercepts, there are also reports UK special forces saw him flee into Pakistan and after the battle of Tora-Bora US forces spent months combing the mountains looking for him. Additionally, if, and i stress,if, Bin laden had been killed in that battle and US intelligence knew about this they would have made it public during the presidency of Bush.

And finally.

When you boil it down there is really only one source who once claims that he went to attend the funeral of Bin laden. This one source has never been independently verified and to believe it you must also believe that this funeral took place in the middle of a raging battle and American inelegance, who were very active in their search for Bin Laden at this time missed it. It always amazes me on ATS that you guys will believe just one source if it fits in with your wider "everything is a conspiracy" view of the world.

No he did not die in 2001.

If he did then why did Bush not tell us all at the time.

a reply to: wasaka

sigh....

no sorry but Bhutto simply misspoke.

a reply to: gazzerman

Here is a good read:

Smoke and Mirrors: Was Seymour Hersh’s ‘Bin Laden Raid’ Report a Red Herring?
21stcenturywire.com...

Recently, well noted writer, analyst and economist, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, weighed in on Hersh’s bin Laden report. Here’s an excerpt from the Roberts article entitled, Seymour Hersh Succumbs To Disinformation:

“I do not believe Hersh’s story for three reasons. One reason is that bin Laden was suffering from disease that no one can survive for a decade. His death was widely reported in 2001. One reason is that even Hersh’s “true” account of “what really happened” is contradicted by eye witnesses and the initial Pakistani TV interviews of eye witnesses. One reason is that Hersh’s story is too convoluted for an assassination raid, a routine event. He exposes lies within lies, indecision within decision, payoffs within payoffs, and reports such a huge number of people with advance knowledge of the raid that it cannot possibly have been kept a secret.”

"In addition, the bizarre and still relatively unexplained deaths of many SEAL Team 6 members taking place immediately after the alleged Bin Laden Raid should be more cause for suspicion."