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But for you, pthena..wouldn't this mean the same thing?
Enter in at the straight gate....once you have entered, you've entered?
but I do understand why people enlist (propaganda, mostly - and promises of adventure and college tuition). I think what is sick is that the government sends YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN out to do their dirty-work.
Surely between you, BuzzyWigs, Pthena and Windword, I can learn new things and be checked for what I don't know. At least I can learn what is wrong within my religion and fix it.
The word devil(and demon) is translated from the Greek word diabolo which is a cognate of two words
dia= a channel or conduit which is traversed
bollo= to be cast through
When Yahoshua was casting OUT devils he was not expelling some super natural evil “spiritual” being.He was healing(temporarily or not) their mind.
The Ancient Greek word δαίμων daimōn denotes a spirit or divine power, much like the Latin genius or numen. Daimōn most likely came from the Greek verb daiesthai (to divide, distribute).[3] The Greek conception of a daimōns notably appears in the works of Plato, where it describes the divine inspiration of Socrates. To distinguish the classical Greek concept from its later Christian interpretation, the former is anglicized as either daemon or daimon rather than demon.
The Greek terms do not have any connotations of evil or malevolence. In fact, εὐδαιμονία eudaimonia, (literally good-spiritedness) means happiness.
their temple, leaving them without a tabernacle or a Holy of Holies to put the ark of the covenant in.
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: WarminIndy
But for you, pthena..wouldn't this mean the same thing?
Enter in at the straight gate....once you have entered, you've entered?
No. It isn't breaking through. It's standing in the doorway. Sometimes closer to one side, sometimes closer to the other.
He goes, gets, brings back. If he didn't come back what benefit would there be for the people?
Instead of the Doors, listen rather to ELO Eldorado,
look up the lyrics even. And know that I can be in all those dreams. Typically first person dreamer. That's a Shaman. Very insignificant. The little things. Little things that mean much to one or two and useless to the rest.
I better stop there.
In Cold Blood. Dir. Richard Brooks. Perf. Robert Blake; Scott Wilson; John Forsyth. Colombia, 1967. Film.
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: WarminIndy
their temple, leaving them without a tabernacle or a Holy of Holies to put the ark of the covenant in.
I've changed my mind on a few things. On the other thread, I quoted the verse from Exodus, where the elders saw the god of Israel. The representation was the "sea" (abzu). The abzu was not in the temple at all, it was in the courtyard. When Jesus cleansed the temple he cleansed the courtyard.
Jesus said his mission was to gather the lost sheep of Israel. Not the Jews. Israel.
As soon as David chose Jerusalem as the capital, the 12 tribe alliance started breaking up as a result. Got worse in Solomons time. Finally shattered during his son's reign.
Imagine this dialog:
"The god of Israel says he doesn't want a temple"
"Well fine, we'll just put him in the courtyard then"
"Who will we put in the temple then?"
"Let's put the god in the box there, you know, the Levi god that Judah has accepted."
"Sounds good to me. That way we Judahites and Levites will have the inside track"
Remember god of Israel in the courtyard. Jesus cleansed the courtyard. That's what mattered to him. God of Israel rather than god of Levi/Judah.
And I really meant to put this in the other thread, because it's better suited to polytheism.
originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Rex282
The religious deny unbelievers entrance into a celestial Kingdom of heaven somewhere out there if they do not believe their doctrine of religion and then quote Jesus as the source.
You are not a victim nor held hostage to other minds. You have the same prerogatives as all people. By religious is not clear. Which religious factions are you referencing? There are many who claim the name of Jesus but not all are of His fold. A true Christian is not a judge or a respecter of people. No person can deny another person entrance into the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of heaven is the house of God and God is the master of the house.
After Yahoshua told the parable of the seed sown in the soils the disciples asked him afterwards why did he teach in parables when none could understand what he meant.He said it was so they would not understand because it was given ONLY to them(the disciples) to know the Kingdom of their heavens.That’s another major flyover of Christianity’s head.
The Kingdom of the heavens will be entered into by ALL of mankind and it will not be the celestial Kingdom somewhere out there it will be something of incomprehensible dimension.
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Rex282
The word devil(and demon) is translated from the Greek word diabolo which is a cognate of two words
dia= a channel or conduit which is traversed
bollo= to be cast through
When Yahoshua was casting OUT devils he was not expelling some super natural evil “spiritual” being.He was healing(temporarily or not) their mind.
The Ancient Greek word δαίμων daimōn denotes a spirit or divine power, much like the Latin genius or numen. Daimōn most likely came from the Greek verb daiesthai (to divide, distribute).[3] The Greek conception of a daimōns notably appears in the works of Plato, where it describes the divine inspiration of Socrates. To distinguish the classical Greek concept from its later Christian interpretation, the former is anglicized as either daemon or daimon rather than demon.
The Greek terms do not have any connotations of evil or malevolence. In fact, εὐδαιμονία eudaimonia, (literally good-spiritedness) means happiness.
I've actually been wondering about that. I usually take demon to mean "of divine origin". So, not a bad thing to have a demon. But if someone is under the influence of someone else's demon (religious teaching) which is conflicting, then a foreign demon is present. The more brutal the assault from an external belief system, the more brutal the internal conflict becomes.
Casting out the foreign demon (religious teaching) restores peace of mind.
Bottom line is people who force their own religious beliefs upon others are the ones causing bad demon possession.
There is a WORLD of difference between the Koine Greek meaning of diabolo(which the new testimony was written in..I know you know that..it was just for the 1 other possible person that reads this) and what the “modern” day religious meaning is.
The fact is I could care less what you believe.I am not attempting or would ever try to attempt to convince you of anything because I know for a fact it would be futile.
If you are NOT perceiving that you are NOT in the Kingdom of God and have NOT been born anew we are not even in the same universe.
This is why I don't communicate with you.If you are sensible you will not respond to this post because it is not meant to engage you in conversation it is only to comment on your statement to me.
.......but now you are telling other posters to not even bother to respond TO YOU, because they are too ignorant? Implying that they, too, are extremely condescending and adversarial??????
The reason you are not going to get many responses from ATS Christian regulars that know who you are is not because of your Christianphobia but because you are extremely condescending and adversarial.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Rex282
The fact is I could care less what you believe.I am not attempting or would ever try to attempt to convince you of anything because I know for a fact it would be futile.
If you are NOT perceiving that you are NOT in the Kingdom of God and have NOT been born anew we are not even in the same universe.
This is why I don't communicate with you.If you are sensible you will not respond to this post because it is not meant to engage you in conversation it is only to comment on your statement to me.
But.....
wait! Put yourself on "pause" for a moment. Just a moment.
I recall you telling me that I was condescending and [something else that starts with 'a' and was accusatory] and that's why I wouldn't get responses to a thread I made asking where 'preachers' get their training...
Yeah, here it is:.......but now you are telling other posters to not even bother to respond TO YOU, because they are too ignorant? They too are extremely condescending and adversarial??????
The reason you are not going to get many responses from ATS Christian regulars that know who you are is not because of your Christianphobia but because you are extremely condescending and adversarial.
That it's useless to even try. Really?
I don't agree with that.
Projection much?
Sorry to say, but you're reminding me of another member who does the same thing......
(and it isn't "me").
.
creator God
But where is their God in all of this
Yahoshua IS the savor/deliverer of ALL of mankind not just the many are called self chosen like you.
Jesu Christi, Исуса Христа, Iesu Grist, Jesucristo, Jeesuksen Kristuksen, χριστου, Jézus Krisztusnak, Jezikri, Ihu Karaiti,
If you are NOT perceiving that you are NOT in the Kingdom of God and have NOT been born anew we are not even in the same universe.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: WarminIndy
Hiya. Hug.
I have real problems with the idea of "demons". I just don't think they exist. But yet - at the same time, I DO believe that ANGELS exist!! Isn't that so weird?
People are capable of both good and bad things. ALL people.
I also understand that you are an open-minded Christian, and don't believe in the ideas of extremists that are sensationalized on the MSM about Christians (like Westboro, ISIS, the crazy guy in TN, etc).
I enjoy talking to you. I really do.
If you are sensible you will not respond to this post because it is not meant to engage you in conversation it is only to comment on your statement to me.
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Rex282
If you are sensible you will not respond to this post because it is not meant to engage you in conversation it is only to comment on your statement to me.
Except what you are linked to is her response to me.
I've watched a couple of the religion debunking videos by Aron Ra. I like his style. Simple denying ignorance. The style you exhibited in posts to others was rather the style of pitting your Creator God and Yahoshua against their God and Jesus.
Just pointing that out.