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Is Britain Really a Democracy or just a Fudge of it?

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posted on May, 10 2015 @ 06:21 AM
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I was taught that in a democracy, the majority held power, so lets look at how the majority of votes were actually proportioned and what we should have had, instead of what we got!

2015 Election Result Under Proportional Representation :
Conservatives (36.9%) : 244 seats
Labour (30.4%) : 201 seats
Ukip (12.6%) : 83 seats
LibDems (7.9%) : 52 seats
SNP (4.8%) : 31 seats
Greens (3.8%) : 25 seats
DUP (0.6%) : 3 seats
Sinn Fein (0.6%) : 3 seats
UUP (0.4%) : 2 seats
SDLP (0.3%)_ : 2 seats
Alliance (0.2%) : 1 seat
(Source : Electoral Reform Society - courtesy of The Times)

Politics in the UK certainly are not democratic or fair and I wonder how this will pan out when cameron and club royal try to force their policies on people. I think we will be in for a lot of unrest and strikes. However if it gets us change to a fairer system, let cameron's head and that creepy osborne's fall, no one likes either very much apparently.




posted on May, 10 2015 @ 06:36 AM
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The U.K had a chance to change the current First Past the Post system and rejected the AV proposal.

As long as the Tories and Labour continue to dominate the political landscape, things will never change. So, PR is a pie in the sky dream for everyone who disagrees with the position we find ourselves in.

Personally, I quite like the idea of PR, but I am being realistic about the chance of this ever becoming a possibility.
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posted on May, 10 2015 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: Shiloh7
I was taught that in a democracy, the majority held power, so lets look at how the majority of votes were actually proportioned and what we should have had, instead of what we got!

2015 Election Result Under Proportional Representation :
Conservatives (36.9%) : 244 seats
Labour (30.4%) : 201 seats
Ukip (12.6%) : 83 seats
LibDems (7.9%) : 52 seats
SNP (4.8%) : 31 seats
Greens (3.8%) : 25 seats
DUP (0.6%) : 3 seats
Sinn Fein (0.6%) : 3 seats
UUP (0.4%) : 2 seats
SDLP (0.3%)_ : 2 seats
Alliance (0.2%) : 1 seat
(Source : Electoral Reform Society - courtesy of The Times)

Politics in the UK certainly are not democratic or fair and I wonder how this will pan out when cameron and club royal try to force their policies on people. I think we will be in for a lot of unrest and strikes. However if it gets us change to a fairer system, let cameron's head and that creepy osborne's fall, no one likes either very much apparently.


Who cares if it is democratic or not when everyone know that money makes the world go round. Even if your guy was fairly elected, if he/she does not have the blessing of the capitalists then jobs will soon dry up and you will have very little chance of winning next time since the candidate that can bring the most jobs and strongest economy almost always wins.

Then there is Alberta... WTF happened there?



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 07:04 AM
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If the politicians were really wanting to address voter apathy and reverse the falling numbers of voters then they would bring in PR, i doubt the desire is there to do so as it may upset the mutually assured gravy train of the main two parties



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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When has politics ever been fair?
It's a joke and anyone who gets pulled into it is a fool.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 07:35 AM
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a reply to: Shiloh7

As much as I despise UKIP I do think that PR is a much fairer system than FPTP.
We need to change as soon as possible... but sadly if we do have a referendum, nobody will vote as most people don't have a clue or the inclination to change anything.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: Shiloh7




Is Britain Really a Democracy or just a Fudge of it?


Of course Britain is a democracy.

We just have a awful electoral system.

But if you want proof that we are a democracy just look at 2011, we had the choice to change this system the one that was more proportional and we voted it down. (well we had the chance to swap over to AV, not quite PR but more fair)

I keep seeing all these threads about how unfair our electoral system is, and I agree, but nobody seems to bother to mention that in 2011, we, the British publish, chose to keep it that way.
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posted on May, 10 2015 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: MALBOSIA

The song that 'jobs will ail dry up if we don't toe the line' is rubbish. Simply because the UK is one of the easiest mass populations to distribute and sell goods to. Our infrastructure of ports, airports, freight distribution is amazing and works incredibly well. If anyone thinks that companies will simply ignore the UK and not bother to send goods here is living in cloud cookoo land.

No corporation will ever ignore Britain and the City, so no one needs to pay any attention to stupid threats. Also firms need to employ people here to represent them and their services. In fact we are suffering from to munch low-paid foreign employment by corporations who don't pay taxes for their UK sales into the Treasury here anyway). I might order through Amazon but its a Brit who delivers to me and often its British goods I order.

However, were everyone to suddenly stop trading with the UK, don't you think the people here would be immediately up and reinventing themselves and their businesses, or another firm would leap in to get their market? We are a very innovative nation.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 07:51 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I am sceptic through experience having reached the grey(isn) side of life. But what intrigues me is that whenever we look to try to change the status quo in Britain, it never happens does it. We are always told not enough people are interested or voted for change. However the protests and ill feeling on the net would suggest otherwise.

I look at the SNP result in Scotland and the result of the Referendum the SNP wanted, the vote was so recent for that but either a large proportion of Scots had a lobotomy and voted in the wrong box, but they managed to get their cross in the right box this time or ……… I know some Scots think they were hoodwinked over their referendum and can't wait to have another.

So perhaps we will have to wait for the SNP to sort out their referendum and then see what cameron has to govern. I do hate having to rely on the Scots, but it could well prove very interesting in the future,



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 07:51 AM
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a reply to: SilentE

I have not done the calculation but the possibility exists that Milliband would now be choosing the curtains in the bedrooms of 10 Downing St if Britain had had proportional representation.

Political reality in Britain is a farce. Nothing is real because the political reality that the election materialized was manufactured by an arbitrary and totally unfair type of voting. The result was totally artificial. UKIP did not fail, Labour did not fail, etc. It was the system that failed because it generated a false result with absurd features that do not accurately reflect political reality (e.g., UKIP had 12.6% of the vote yet only one MP - a former Conservative).

As usual, we get a government that is not supported by most people. Some people might call it a dictatorship.

There is no point in voting as long as the main parties who benefit from the current voting system refuse to change it. If one continues to do so, one is participating in a meaningless farce.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 08:31 AM
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Democracy is a lie to make the people feel like they have a choice- it helps keep them compliant.

Bank of England was established in 1964- about 35 years after Britain finished its transformation into a "Democratic country"

Once a privately owned central bank controls the currency of a nation, they are the captain steering the ship- the rest of your government- politicians, and voters, are just swabbing the deck.
And unless you do your part, they'll have you walk the plank.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 08:44 AM
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the candidate that can bring the most jobs and strongest economy almost always wins.


doesn't work that way in the usa. if a politician can destroy the economy, they are praised, by the whole planet. lol problem is, our economy is based on the european central bank, so what it really is is, who can rob the americans so the european socialists, can divide up the spoils, not between the people but between the guys who are already so rich, they couldn't give away as much as they make in 5 minutes, doing absolutely nothing.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I received a pamphlet through my door that said:
AV will cost more money.
Nick Clegg likes this system and Nick Clegg is crap, therefore this system is crap.
This pamphlet was not published using tax-payer money.

Also I recall the media bombarding people with the belief that AV was dead in the water (so there was no point in voting) even though over 30% of people voted yes, despite the media (and therefore big money's) propaganda war against AV.

But yes, people were dumb as bricks to believe what they were being told. It's a shame for the people who saw through and voted Yes and now how to live with the current oligarchy, because that is what it is. Look up the leaked citibank memos if you don't agree.
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posted on May, 10 2015 @ 09:41 AM
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I expect the Scots will separate. England and Wales might get PR and a constitution then. But probably not. The 0.01% have the population by the short and curlies.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Shiloh7
Historically, it has always been a system which groups people by area rather than party.
Each individual constituency chose the man or woman they most wanted as their local representative. THAT is what the process was designed to achieve.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: lordcomac
A very good point and something that needs to be addressed is the Bank of England and its role in our lives. Most people actually think its part of the Government and don't realise its rothschild's tentacles running our banking system for himself and his own profit.

But as I asked in the question should Britain project into self into the world as a model if democracy and this election says no. Being a Brit over the hears when I have worked or travelled abroad, although I made friends and never had a personal problem with people in their own countries when working there, I was surprised at how many dislike Britain and all it stands for. I do now why now though.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: undo

I don't quite agree with you because people don't hate the American public from my experience whatsoever, we all are in the same boat. Its the political puppets employed by private industrialists,financiers/ bankers and probably the Israeli dictating lobby that people fume against around the world when looking at American actions, especially within their countries. In the UK we haven't gained any friends through much of our foreign policy. Currently Cameron is after Russia's blood for some unknown reason not explained to the british public, although it could be that Russia supports Iran and Syria and Israel wants Iran nuked/neutered and also another contribution of land from Syria and so it goes on and on.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

I think we have moved on since then. Politicians were admired and honourable in the past. If anyone can remember profumo, once he was caught is a prostitute he resigned. Today its positively indecent how low a politicians can sink before they can be prized out of their seats. They are on to too much of a good thing and have no honour today and demand their seat in the House of Lords after. Mind you with men like Janner in there there is little or no honour there either.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: Shiloh7
The character of people coming forward as politicians is not affected by the voting system.
What we've got is a system which treats voters as local inhabitants rather than as members of parties. And they are still more likely to think of themselves as local inhabitants rather than members of parties.



posted on May, 10 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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13% of the vote and 1 seat a democracy haha,this election is faked,no one in this country wants to privatise the nhs and if you really believe this was the true vote then ill be interested in what psy-ops rubbish your going to hit me with.

we the people know we did not vote this ,we love our nhs and are proud of it.

interesting statistics
current uk population 63 million uk population
so 13% of 63 million gives us 8293193.61 thats 8 million people and they have been given 1 seat for 8 million people
edit on 10-5-2015 by stuthealien because: interesting stats



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