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See ya Scotland, now please go before influencing our EU referendum for the UK

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posted on May, 9 2015 @ 04:46 AM
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Here's what I would like to see. Full independence for each of the separate countries that make up Great Britain. That is to say that England, Scotland, Ireland (with Northern Ireland fully repatriated to Southern Ireland), and Wales hold to their own sovereignty, and each have their own parliament and their own government.

Once each country has fully transitioned to its own sovereignty and a working 'domestic' government, all countries should vote in a single one-off referendum to opt in to form a 'Great Britain Union' (GBU).

From each country, an equal number of publicly elected MP's who have served at least 2 contiguous terms for their constituency form a Great Britain government that oversees the Union. Once a Great Britain Union has been formed, then the whole of Great Britain can vote for membership, or to stay in the European Union.

No matter what country within Great Britain you are from, no matter what trivial and childish prejudice you display to other people from other parts of Great Britain, we are definitely 'better together'. We are stronger together, we share the same history together, and we honour the same historical and traditional legacies together.

History has bound us together for right or wrong, and it would be foolish for any of us to seek to un-glue that bond out of petty nationalism and prejudice. There is no way that Britain would have achieved what it has if we had remained separate. However, as much as I call for separate independence for each of the countries that make up Great Britain, I believe it is better to be 'together' because we 'want' to be together, and not because one country dominates the political and economic landscape.




posted on May, 9 2015 @ 06:15 AM
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The words from Sturgeon's acerbic mouth are offensive to the rest of the UK, hence the dislike for ways of the SNP from the rest of the UK.

Her 'message' today was along the lines of ''no longer will be not be heard in Westminster, we have a say etc'' which is utter garbage as they have always had a say, in fact their devolution gave them more of a say and the Barnett formula more money than the rest of the population per person. It is just vile nationalist propaganda and the Braveheart brainwashed majority in Scotland bought it hook, line and sinker, until if they ever got their 'freedom' and the whole of Scotland would know rapidly when they were relegated to an economic status on par to Jamaica and flung out of the EU, that it actually depended on that union, the union that they pleaded for in the first place.

Imagine if England voted for English devolution including taxes etc and chose to freeze out Scotland, denying them their taxes etc, how would that go down in Scotland? Seeing as the majority of the money of the UK is in London from foreign investors and due to geography, logistics, climate, history etc, that the majority of money from industry is in the South, the chances are that they wouldn't be impressed at being denied access to those funds.



So what’s in all this for the English voters who have given Cameron his majority?
Not only will we get the EU vote the other parties would have denied us; the Human Rights Act will be scrapped; the low-paid will be taken out of tax altogether, millions of hard-pressed middle-income earners will be taken out of the 40p band and the top rate won’t rise to an enterprise-sapping 50 per cent.
We’ve also been spared the mansion tax and the bullying bureaucracy and attack on civil liberties and free speech which would have come with a recovery-wrecking Labour/SNP set-up.
For that we can thank the sensible voters of Middle England, however reluctant many of us may have felt when voting Tory.
Time to stop holding our noses and breathe a deep sigh of relief.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... xzz3ZduGlJ6A

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posted on May, 9 2015 @ 07:29 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
To be fair, the socialists back in the 70's and 80's were killing off Britain. Industry was already crumbling under the silliness of time and public utilities and services were a joke. Thatcher only did quickly what would have happened slowly. For example, the coal industry was a shambles and could not be sustained and was being driven into the ground by intractable unions, ideology and cheaper coal from abroad. I am not defending Thatcher as I opposed her at the time and marched against the Poll Tax, for example, but you need to place her in the context of the time.

Not quite. The context of the time was Thatchers hatred of the unions because of what they did to Ted Heath. If the nationalised industries were in such dire straits how come she sold them off for a considerable sum ? Ironically she sold some of them to foreign nationalised industries (you couldn't make it up could you !!!!!).

Fuel is always an issue and distorts markets massively. There was an oil crisis in the 70's which crippled industries, well two actually 1973 and 1979. One thing people forget is that the top level of management of a nationalised industry is the government. If that government is ideologically opposed to nationlisation they are not going to run it well are they !!!

What I would agree on is that the unions had too much power or rather a handful of very active leaders had too much influence over their members. A lot of the need for unions has been replaced with EU legislation to protect people at work. On the flip side of the same coin, private industry is led by people who had (and still do) far too much influence over government. Just as bad, just as damaging just coming in from a different political direction.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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The issue here is that the majority of Scots who voted No, treated this as a normal UK general election and split their vote according to their normal preference between Labour, Conservative, Liberal. The minority who voted Yes vote almost uniformly to the SNP as a continuation of the indyref (regardless of their previous voting preferences).

It is possible that the destruction of normal politics that this result represents will create a unified centrist unionist movement to oppose the nationalist block vote. Scottish politics reduced to nationalists and unionists in a zero sum game. The realisation dawns now that horrific as that is the alternative is the minority using FPTP to dominate the majority.

I weep for the nation of my birth and i'm happy to no longer live there.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: grainofsand

Okay....yah, maybe hate is too strong.

So let us use the word: "Animosity" instead.

Sorry, but that IS what I'm seeing here.


Its kinda what we do, english, welch, irish and scots. Whine, bicker and scrap


Whingin Pommes would seem a good description of the U.K people then



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand


You do realise that more than half of all Scots voted against leaving the union, right?
This vote wasn't an Anti-English vote or a vote to say "Bye" to England.... it was an Anti-Austerity and Anti-Tory vote.
It's quite simple really.

Scotland will most definitely leave the Union and probably sooner than we realise... but this vote wasn't about that.
It was about them not wanting to be ruled by Conservatives and sticking two fingers up to Austerity.
And frankly I don't blame them.

I'll probably end up moving there before they split... get away from the Tories lol



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
The words from Sturgeon's acerbic mouth are offensive to the rest of the UK, hence the dislike for ways of the SNP from the rest of the UK.

Her 'message' today was along the lines of ''no longer will be not be heard in Westminster, we have a say etc'' which is utter garbage as they have always had a say, in fact their devolution gave them more of a say and the Barnett formula more money than the rest of the population per person. It is just vile nationalist propaganda and the Braveheart brainwashed majority in Scotland bought it hook, line and sinker, until if they ever got their 'freedom' and the whole of Scotland would know rapidly when they were relegated to an economic status on par to Jamaica and flung out of the EU, that it actually depended on that union, the union that they pleaded for in the first place.

Imagine if England voted for English devolution including taxes etc and chose to freeze out Scotland, denying them their taxes etc, how would that go down in Scotland? Seeing as the majority of the money of the UK is in London from foreign investors and due to geography, logistics, climate, history etc, that the majority of money from industry is in the South, the chances are that they wouldn't be impressed at being denied access to those funds.


Typical clueless obnoxious Daily Mail Reader....Outstanding.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth


You should change your username to AbsoluteDrivel because that's what your spouting in this thread.

You didn't even state one single fact in your post. Maybe getting your info somewhere other than the Mail would help rectify that!!!

edit on 9/5/15 by djz3ro because: i fixed some spelling...



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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Actually, I subscribe to the Telegraph and only occasionally read articles from the Daily Mail if they catch my attention.

The video of Sturgeon saying that which I mentioned is from the Telegraph, I added the quote after as I happened to be reading it and it is relevant.

Though if you have nothing left, no real arguments to the politics and points then it isn't any wonder you resorted to name calling. Denial is a cruel mistress.

As for facts, they are there on video:

Video from The Telegraph

a reply to: Soloprotocol
a reply to: djz3ro
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posted on May, 9 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

If i had access to a tablet or netbook or even a decent signal on my phone i would be finding links (not from a biased source such as yours either) to prove that we in Scotland actually do pay purpose fair share and more in taxes. Sadly fixing my spelling mistake took nearly an hour thanks to a rubbish signal where i am.

It's scary how many people actually fall for the media bias on this issue...



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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Double post, mod please remove...
edit on 9/5/15 by djz3ro because: my phone posted twice, innit..



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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I don't think any of you got Nicola Sturgeons plans. Even if the SNP took all of the Scottish seats she would have NO POWER in Westminster than the Lib Dems with a couple of seats. The SNP would be out voted at every turn out.
She only had one game, one chance and that chance, if successful, would have given her the power to do whatever she wanted.
She dearly wanted the Labour and Conservatives to have a close seat tally so that she could been in a strong coalition with Labour. Even Labour were banking on it but the English didn't vote enough Labour people in. So like Labour she's in no mans land and must accept what the Conservatives have in store. She can shout all she wants about an EU in or EU out, or more money for Scotland, but the Conservatives have the majority vote and they'll do what they want.
By the way get your private medical insurance now cos the NHS is now truly f*****.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro

I grew up in Scotland and I also am aware of the truth of the politics.

I never mentioned taxes but since you mentioned it, Scotland has free prescriptions and education for all (whilst receiving more money per person from the UK taxpayer under the Barnett formula), unlike England so how fair is that? Meanwhile Scotland is bleating about not having a say whilst being unfairly proportionately represented at Westminster (how fair is that for the rest of the UK and all the millions of UKIP voters), and having their own DEVOLVED parliament. How would Scotland feel if England were to have a devolved English parliament, free healthcare and education whilst Scotland had none of those? A reality check is called for as too many aren't even aware of the truth.
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posted on May, 9 2015 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: djz3ro

I grew up in Scotland and I also am aware of the truth of the politics.

I never mentioned taxes but since you mentioned it, Scotland has free prescriptions and education for all, unlike England so how fair is that?

Shock Horror, Scotland does good by it's people..What a sad thing to say. I guess you get pissed off also when we do our best for people on the bread line like remove the Bedroom tax.

What Scotland spends it's money on is Scotland's Business, We prefer to spend it on People, Westminster prefers to spend Scotland's, Wales and Northern Ireland's money on more infrastructure for London. Take it up with your imperial masters if you have a problem with it.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

''Imperial masters'' (is that a comment from Braveheart?) there you go name calling again because you cannot keep to the point and know the truth is not the same as that spouted by the toxic Sturgeon.

Throwing their dummy out the pram because Westminster happens to be in England and convenient to blame for Scotland's woes whilst they are the cause themselves is the point. The Barnett formula will soon be scrapped and English votes for English laws will be in place. If Scotland ever got their fantasy land 'freedom' from England they would soon regret it.

As I said I grew up there and I do not hate Scotland, I have lived in England longer than Scotland, it is my home and I feel more comfortable and safer here than in Scotland, but even so, I would prefer that the people there aren't subjected to the ruination promised by the SNP. Nor the English people (majority) subjected to the Braveheart fantasies of a bunch of (minority) deluded Nationalists.

Do not bother replying, I have said it all before to you when there was a referendum, read my opinions there if you want.
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posted on May, 9 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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Ah, some interesting replies, with of course the typical lame cries that I'm a Scot hater lol, grow up and separate politics from people why don't you?
Either way, the following are my replies to those who directly replied/quoted me...

a reply to: mirageman
Haha, perhaps!
...Oh, and Anchovy Hopkins worked part time for my Gran many years ago while he was learning to act as a boy in South Wales.

a reply to: djz3ro
Nope, you imagine that animosity, perhaps quote my offending words before whinging next time?

a reply to: anonentity
Agreed, I grew up in South Wales in the 80's and Thatcher shafted much of the UK the same.
I don't see why anyone is going on about Thatcher in this thread though, old news I say, time to get over it maybe.
Even the vote breakdown in Labour dominant Wales last week had the Tories at 27.2%, UKIP at 13.6%, and Labour at 36.9%.

a reply to: yorkshirelad

originally posted by: yorkshirelad

originally posted by: grainofsand
Wow, what an impressive result in Scotland, 56 out of 59 MP's who all want independence from the UK.

Wrong!
Nope, absolutely correct. All 56 Scottish MP's out of their 59 total want independence from the UK.
It is good that they can actually do pretty much nothing now there is a unionist majority government in Westminster.
Although I would prefer Scotland leaves sooner than later instead of whinging for another 5 years.

The rest of your reply I shall just dismiss as emotionally inspired invention, as it is you who appears to be in a cage which has been rattled, not I. You invent allegations that I am 'pissed off' you are incorrect, although I do find your comments amusing.

a reply to: blupblup

originally posted by: blupblup
Scotland will most definitely leave the Union and probably sooner than we realise.
Good, the sooner the better in my opinion, then we can concentrate on the remaining UK without the distraction of part of the union which wants to leave anyway. I wish the Scots the best but stop dragging it out now, just leave soon as.
Like I said, it's like a married couple living in the same house when one has already decided on a divorce.
Go quick, you can even take the cat and our vinyl collection as a sweetener.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: blupblup
Good, the sooner the better in my opinion, then we can concentrate on the remaining UK without the distraction of part of the union which wants to leave anyway. I wish the Scots the best but stop dragging it out now, just leave soon as.
Like I said, it's like a married couple living in the same house when one has already decided on a divorce.
Go quick, you can even take the cat and our vinyl collection as a sweetener.



You didn't actually reply to my post at all.
Over half of them don't want to leave or didn't at the referendum so all of your "Hurry up and go.. we don't want you" crap is just insulting and petty.
This election for Scotland was about saying no to the Tory party... not becoming independent.


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posted on May, 9 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: blupblup

No, again more invention on your part. I didn't say 'we' don't want you, I said 'I' want Scotland to go quickly in response to your assertion that Scotland 'will' leave the union in the coming years.
That is a sensible and rational political position to hold as far as I see it, perhaps you are that sensitive you find it insulting but that is just needless emotional drama.

Oh, Alex Salmond has just said on Radio 5, I quote, "We are one step closer to Scottish independence".
How you gonna spin that?
I say good, go quick then. If you wanna whinge that my political opinion is insulting then that is of course your right, but silly.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: blupblup

No, again more invention on your part. I didn't say 'we' don't want you, I said 'I' want Scotland to go quickly in response to your assertion that Scotland 'will' leave the union in the coming years.


You didn't just say it in response to me you said it in your OP and almost every post youv'e made on this thread.
Scotland will probably go but there'll have to be another Referendum yet and yes, I'm sure it would be vastly different.
Many hoped that we would get a decent, fair and balanced government and not one that would continue to rob from the poor and give to the millionaires.... crap all over the vulnerable and needy and dismantle the NHS.

How wrong they were....




Oh, Alex Salmond has just said on Radio 5, I quote, "We are one step closer to Scottish independence".
How you gonna spin that?
I say good, go quick then. If you wanna whinge that my political opinion is insulting then that is of course your right, but silly.


Why would I need to spin it? That's exactly what they want and what they were set up to achieve and they've not denied it, merely said that they ran this election campaign on Ant-Austerity and Anti-Tory policies... that election is over and they now have a huge voice in Westminster.
As well as taking the Tories to task as the Tories will look to scythe through the poorest, sickest and neediest in our society, the SNP will obviously look to make an Independent Scotland a reality.



Crazy times ahead methinks.
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posted on May, 9 2015 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: blupblup
You didn't just say it in response to me you said it in your OP and almost every post youv'e made on this thread.
Nope, you invent that again. I've said that if you wanna leave then do it quickly. Nowhere have I said "We don't want you" just recognised that if they don't want us then do one quickly. How can you not see that?
Perhaps quote me before you get all emotional next time eh.


Why would I need to spin it? That's exactly what they want and what they were set up to achieve and they've not denied it, merely said that they ran this election campaign on Ant-Austerity and Anti-Tory policies... that election is over and they now have a huge voice in Westminster.
So my position is not unreasonable then? As you say the SNP want out of the UK, and the Scottish voted overwhelmingly for the only party which wants out of the UK.
If they want out then I want the divorce to be quick so that people who do not support the Union have no influence over UK matters, and leave us quickly.
Cry insult or whatever drama queen stuff you like but I stand by my reasoned position which insults nobody.
...or quote me next time you wish to assert I am being unkind to Scottish people yeah.



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