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See ya Scotland, now please go before influencing our EU referendum for the UK

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posted on May, 8 2015 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
Only 3 Union supporting MP's left in Scotland out of your 59. It appears to me that your fate has been sealed.


Yet there is a Scottish parliament which is not so dominated by the SNP.

The General Election has returned a bunch of Scottish MPs, but that picture of whitewash is not replicated in Holyrood.




posted on May, 8 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

lol, let's see what happens in the next holyrood elections....and if you think it will be anything other than an SNP victory I wonder what planet you live on lol



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Its all very interesting as any one with Scottish heritage, can call Scotland home. Much the same as Ireland . It would make a great get out of the U.S.A. plan. Along with the Scottish passport comes, a European one. So I guess a lot of people are watching and polishing up their bagpipes.



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: anonentity

Then you would just be blatantly using the Scottish vote.
I would not support that.



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 06:53 PM
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Wow,

Everywhere I look there are comments and threads on different forums and news apps with nothing but pure anger and utter contempt for us scots. It's all getting rather ridiculous .

All these people who keep stating the same stuff over and over .im not going to go through everything that keeps getting thrown up , everyone is bored with it now.

I didn't vote SNP because I want to stay in Europe . I want out of Europe and feel that the hundreds of pounds I pay in tax( yes. That's right ,The tax money I pay goes straight to the same place as everyone else) Could be better spent on education and healthcare for the WHOLE of the UK.

I don't want to see my hard earned tax money be used to prop up an organisation who sits around a table and decides the best thing to do is to ban hoovers over a certain wattage, or hairdryers of a certain power wattage either. We pay millions to these people daily..

The reason I didnt vote for labour or the conservatives is why would I? That's like asking an Englishman to vote SNP. I want change . It's as simple as that.

Let's get off this whole Scotland is always moaning , they get this , they get that, band wagon .

You , as a Scotsman, Englishman, Irish , Welsh have the opertunity to change your country through voting . Us scots are trying , I suggest the rest do the same and stop moaning. If your not happy, bloody do something about it instead of moaning about us scots .



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: Stu2112

Actually i said exactly the opposite -- no one is special; therefore we're all of the same equal "unimportance".

And when did I say or imply London was the centre of the universe?

A very strange post.



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 08:54 PM
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Well, I just see all this bickering as really sad. It's like I'm your cousin watching two brothers fight. And from a "Western Civilization" point of view, that's what we are. The Scotts just had a referendum: 55-45. Now less than a year later y'all are saying it's the opposite and "it would be different of the election were held today."

I believe that. And it would be even different a year from now. Yet you want to make what is effectively an irrevocable, permanent decision when the electorate can be persuaded differently within six months?

That just seems insane to me.

And yet here's the EU telling you what you can and cannot do. Can the Scott's fish for salmon? Oh, no. You can't do that because someone in Brussels is against it. So that destroyed the fishing in Scotland.

You guys are getting screwed. All of you. And your bickering with each other is kind of the final nail in the coffin. Makes me want to cry.



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 08:58 PM
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Any Scots that read threads like this and still want to remain in the Union..... are quite simply mad.

You are obviously not wanted, and I can echo the sentiment of seeing literally hundreds of Scot-bashing threads all over the Internet.

Wanting to remain in the union is masochistic, and in my mind shows a certain spinelessness/lack of honor.



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

You really make your animosity to those of us North of the Border very clear, i wonder why?

The Referendum didn't work, Nichola Sturgeon made it clear this isn't about another Referendum, it isn't on the cards. Deny ignorance instead of embracing it...



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro

As a person who absolutely believes in the union I have a question to ask you.

How would the average Scot feel if there were a referendum on the expulsion of Scotland from the UK?

I ask simply because as a member of the UK I feel that we are always under the shadow of such a unilateral decision on behalf of Scotland. So then, how would that vote go, and what is more important, how would you feel?



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: Jonjonj
Given that the average Englander doesn't realise the amount of contribution from Scotland into the UK economy i feel we would be voted out but the government and royals know the truth and would do everything in their power to keep Scotland (like they did in the Referendum).

as for how i would feel, not sure on that. i mean, i voted Yes in the Referendum but nobody likes being thrown out of anything really ha ha



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: anonentity

Then you would just be blatantly using the Scottish vote.
I would not support that.


I cant see why , Scotland has been more than shafted by Thatcher's policies . The same as the North of England. Anywhere where their was a Socialist majority, they were screwed. As long as she kept the south happy the tory vote would come in. She dismantled all the gains that the average man made, by simply removing their jobs. Then charging for education and health, she knew if you were broke you were no threat. In fact all the policies, including globalisation is, either by happenstance or design, making paupers of citizens in their own countries. Thus easier to control, and role back the gains that poor people had struggled for . That's why the jails are filling up.



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
So what about that vote waaaay back in September that nixed independence by 55%-45%? That's not a huge margin of victory, but it's still a solid win. So much for a vote of the people? What's going on here?


It's called having your cake and eating it too. Scottish voters have worked out they can take more and more bribes from Westminster to stay in the Union. Who wouldn't vote against Scottish independence in the referendum while keeping the Scottish nationalistic flame alive?



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: xpert11

originally posted by: schuyler
So what about that vote waaaay back in September that nixed independence by 55%-45%? That's not a huge margin of victory, but it's still a solid win. So much for a vote of the people? What's going on here?


It's called having your cake and eating it too. Scottish voters have worked out they can take more and more bribes from Westminster to stay in the Union. Who wouldn't vote against Scottish independence in the referendum while keeping the Scottish nationalistic flame alive?


Only up to a point, Thatcher's policies have wreaked their havoc, to the point that no one back before her era would have even thought that, a Scotland would have left the UK. Their was no need, all the economic spin, was their for one reason alone, and that was to wind back the socialist policies that created full employment, and a fair distribution of resources. When everyone was employed, the Drug addiction, and social dislocation was a non event and the dole payments were insignificant. well built council houses, made sure you never had to have five kids in one bed . This was done in a post war economy, with a broke country . Their is no excuse for the present state of affairs, its all theft, and greed, by a class of people that think they are entitled to more than anybody else, because the laws let them.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 12:19 AM
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Scotland should build a reversed Hadrian's wall before they separate. They will need something to stop the hoards of beggars and invaders coming north from dying England (yet again).

btw this big Scottish independence victory is all a deception. If another referendum is not on the cards then the Scottish Independence Party is meaningless. All that has happened is the LD has been decimated and Cameron (his masters?) is given total control. What else has changed? Scots have a marginal party with no power. Either they get away from the Dutch bankers and their Prussian soldiers or they will continue to be robbed.


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posted on May, 9 2015 @ 02:03 AM
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This thread is just a prime example of how Governments can use Nationalism to get into people's heads. We are all in this together and any more division will make us even weaker. Labels are useless and the sooner we see through them, the better.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 02:29 AM
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originally posted by: DrunkYogi
This thread is just a prime example of how Governments can use Nationalism to get into people's heads. We are all in this together and any more division will make us even weaker. Labels are useless and the sooner we see through them, the better.


Quite right, the latest spurt of greed, is seeing more and more people living in smaller and smaller accommodation, and getting charged a lifetime mortgage for it . If any one thinks unbridled Capitalism is a fair society, without checks and balances. Then it will be you , and your children who will eventually have nothing. British Police have been given the power to use live ammunition on rioting crows. At some point in the future , disposed people that want a fair deal, after years of nothing getting done,will be shot. They will be called terrorists, trying to dismantle the state. We can all see the way this model is going.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 02:59 AM
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originally posted by: cainem
The Scottish voters who voted SNP were a mixture of their core vote and disillusioned Labour voters who could in all confidence use them as a protest vote as Independence was not on offer and it was made clear to all it wasn't, it probably wasn't reported that way in the mainstream media where you are, so you will have to sup it up as we are going no where anytime soon my friend,


Indeed - the SNP clean sweep in Scotland is not a vote or support for independence. It is simply because it was the only valid "protest vote" to the left-leaning Scots, of which there are many.

At any rate, the SNP share of vote was only 35% of the registered population, so there are 65% of Scots who didn't vote for them. Remember that.



posted on May, 9 2015 @ 03:25 AM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
Wow, what an impressive result in Scotland, 56 out of 59 MP's who all want independence from the UK.

Wrong! That is not why we voted SNP but you you refuse to listen .....just like the Labour party.


That pretty much seals it so cheers folks, it's been lovely and hope it works out for you, but please can you now campaign to leave quickly before any referendum on the UK's membership of the EU.

Presumably the landslide victory in Scotland, for a party which fully supports current membership of the EU, indicates that most of Scotland would probably vote to stay in the EU during any UK wide referendum.
Personally, I don't want Scotland to have any say in the future of the UK if you have no intention of remaining part of our current Union, and in any case, the better for you if you quickly free yourself of the new Conservative UK government which you didn't vote for.

There we have it. Democracy only as long as it matches your choice. We had an independence vote and Scotland voted NO DUH!!!

FYI only about a third of England voted for the Tories....DUH!!!


Nothing against you Scots but you have overwhelmingly shown you want to leave now, so please do go quick, and before your EU loving SNP can have any influence over a referendum on EU membership. A clear 84% of the Scottish vote yesterday was for EU supporting parties.

You mean not just the SNP, you mean folks like the Greens, like the (Tory tainted) Lib Dems and Labour. So pretty much every other party except the Tories and mouth foaming UKIP. Oh by the way UKIP go got well and truly hoovered up here.


My guess is that Cameron has it planned well out already, intends to call a loaded EU referendum while the Scots still have the UK vote, all the while hoping that the pro-EU Scottish vote and it's 10% voting contribution to the UK result will tip the balance in his favour.

I don't think he has thought that far ahead. His anti Scottish stance in the election was to scare the southern english voter into not voting Labour, it worked a treat especially since Miliband became defensive about it....idiot.


Either way, I'm tired of the Scots independence debate now so if you wanna go Scotland, please do, and quick...right now it's a bit like a married couple still living in the house when one has finally decided to divorce.

So what has really rattled your cage? The fact that Scotland has shown two fingers to the westminster banker loving millionaire politicians. Or let me guess you are a UKIP voter and UKIP lost bigtime. All this talk of a change in politics due to UKIP but no!!!!! The only big change in politics is coming from the left leaning voters of Scotland and that is what is p.ssing you off. Tough deal with it, people are tired of the money grabbing right wing politics of Westminster.

P.S. I'm not Scottish and I voted SNP so stick that in your pipe and smoke it......
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posted on May, 9 2015 @ 03:25 AM
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originally posted by: anonentity
I cant see why , Scotland has been more than shafted by Thatcher's policies . The same as the North of England. Anywhere where their was a Socialist majority, they were screwed.


To be fair, the socialists back in the 70's and 80's were killing off Britain. Industry was already crumbling under the silliness of time and public utilities and services were a joke. Thatcher only did quickly what would have happened slowly. For example, the coal industry was a shambles and could not be sustained and was being driven into the ground by intractable unions, ideology and cheaper coal from abroad. I am not defending Thatcher as I opposed her at the time and marched against the Poll Tax, for example, but you need to place her in the context of the time.

It helps the Scots to keep Thatcher alive for their little English bogyman. The impact she had was nation-wide and while Scotland has benefitted disproportionately from the Barnett Formula to invest in growth and change, the English regions have not.
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