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See ya Scotland, now please go before influencing our EU referendum for the UK

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posted on May, 15 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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No reply to my simple question asking do you support the right of Scottish MP's to vote on solely English issues when English MP's cannot vote on devolved Scottish issues? Yes or no?
...or are you just waiting for me to crash out before you then rant a load of off-topic rubbish or insults toward England after you've had a few drinks?

Simple question after our interesting exchange, do you support the right of Scottish MP's to vote on solely English issues when English MP's cannot vote on devolved Scottish issues?
You have contributed much in this specific exchange, except your opinion on the actual issue.




posted on May, 15 2015 @ 10:47 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

I don't feel compelled to change my point by your statement.

But, interesting issue you raise.

Can you tell me how many non-scots voted for the SNP?

Because potentially they could do with a name change...

Drop the S because it's so inclusive, that badging it scottish just isn't really representing it.

There's a sense of pride in what the party represents..a better deal for those living in Scotland. More say.

Let's big up the nationalist part. We love our country, after all.

And the assertion of progressively left wing is interesting. So, they are socialist.

I think that to feel more inclusive and more modern, and to represent all the non-scots voting for them, then a new name could work.

National socialist does have a ring to it....



posted on May, 16 2015 @ 02:33 AM
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originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Soloprotocol


*Edit*
Oh, and I of course only mentioned Welsh and Irish MP's as you brought them into the conversation.


Yeah, and i of course mentioned the Welsh because you (a Welshman) conveniently glossed over that fact and tried to lay blame solely at the Scots door.


The Welsh and Northern Irish aren't whinging about being in the UK so they are not on-topic.


Wait......What????...Seriously, Do you ever listen to yourself?.

The Irish Not only Whinge about the being part of the UK, they have waged a full on bullets and Bombs campaign to boot the English out since the early 1900's, Thousands have died, didn't you get the memo??...

As for the Welsh..Yeah, those old mining villiges are happy with their lot these days.....Like Wales, You need to Wake the # up.



posted on May, 16 2015 @ 02:39 AM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Again, to clarify, Wales and Northern Ireland are not campaigning to leave the UK right now. This thread is about the only nation in the UK voting 56 of their 59 MP's from a party which has a primary goal of independence from the UK, Scotland.

I think you need to read Sinn Fein and the SDLP's Manifesto..?



The leader of Plaid Cymru, Leanne Wood, has said she is "very confident" Wales will achieve independence in her lifetime. Speaking on The Andrew Marr Show, she said that Welsh polls consistently showed support for more devolution and that the country's dependency would reduce over time.
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Keep Digging, you wont need to Worry about the Scots Leaving the UK and the UK Leaving Europe, You'll be in Australia.
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posted on May, 16 2015 @ 05:04 AM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

You still deflect and refuse to answer:
Do you support Scottish MP's having the right to vote on soley English issues when English MP's cannot vote on the same devolved Scottish issues? Yes or no?

Oh and stop your silliness, Plaid Cymru came 4th after UKIP in Wales by vote share and Unionist parties had the majority vote in N.I.

This thread is about Scotland and the UK, you know, Scotland, the only part of the UK to vote overwhelmingly for a party seeking independence.

Answer the question, stop with the off topic or start your own #ing thread.

...dont get excited either, i'm replying on my phone and my clumsy thumb accidently gave you a star lol

*Edit*
And I'm not worried at all about Scotland leaving the UK, as I've said, I'd rather you go sooner than later if that is what you guys wish. Dragging it out is pointless and just results in more boring years of listening to nationalists whinging.
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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: selfharmonise
a reply to: nonspecific

Unfortunately, that seems to be the de facto response from the brownshirts.

Having lived abroad I cannot understand why a country would seek to make itself even smaller.

My attitude changed when I saw Scotland from the outside - I found its general entitlement culture, whining and blaming everyone except themselves for any given situation, and lack of ambition scary. To any Brownshirt who says that increasing public spending is a sign of ambition, I can't respond as it's just going to end up in a circular argument.

Moving back to Scotland was the worst mistake I made. To those who have asked the question around would any of those who have emigrated come back after independence..I would say it would be low.

Now, the fall back position for the brown shirts is to tell me to move. Actually, I have invested so much in Scotland...I can't.

My partner and I have a business here, we have a family. We have a home.

But this rampant nationalist braying and the deliberate baiting of the rest of the UK is making me a stranger in that home.



Yeah..... I'm guessing you aren't actually Scottish.
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posted on May, 17 2015 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: DiggerDogg

Are the comments of the member somehow less valid if he/she is not Scottish then?
Living and owning a business in Scotland seem to be reasonable qualifications to comment in my opinion.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 10:43 PM
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They may WANT independence from the UK, but it's not likely David Cameron is going to give them another vote.

He's said so publicly since the election.

If they DO get another vote, they really need to figure out ahead of time how they're going to handle everything. At the last referendum, Salmond's answer to every question about how things would change was "it won't, it will be exactly as it is now".

They even wanted to keep the pound and keep The Queen as Head of State. They really, really didn't have a clue as to how much Independence was going to massively affect Scotland.


They couldn't even say if they were going to have a President or a Prime Minister or say what their system of government would be. (an independent nation would have a President)

No, you won't get BBC (you'll get BBC World), you won't keep The Queen as Head of State.



posted on May, 17 2015 @ 10:48 PM
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Soloprotocol is a troll and should be banned. He (she?) just posts inflammatory comments to get a rise out of the person they're baiting.

Don't give them the pleasure.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand
You are absolutely correct informed comments should be treated with the same respect regardless of the nationality of the poster.
That said uniformed comments about "brown shirts" should be treated with the contempt they deserve.


edit on 18-5-2015 by ScepticScot because: missing word, not enough coffee.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 01:50 AM
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a reply to: babybunnies
I assume from your post you don't think Canada, Australia etc are independent countries.
The yes campaign explained in great detail what would happen in the event of independence. Just because you don't know the answers doesn't mean the rest of us are as ignorant.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Yep 'brown shirts' is a term I would not personally use, but it appears the member refers specifically to those who have shown hatred to English in his/her direct experiences, not the Scots in general.

On the other hand, a particulary vocal Scottish member calls the English scum of the earth, bags of rats and other choice words in this thread.
I'd call it a 1-1 draw so far.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand
The member in question is trying to equate the SNP with the NAZIs. Since they can't base this on policies or behaviour they have been reduced to silly word games around the name.
Don't see why it should be a contest at all to be honest. Being pro independence is not the same as being anti English. Just as I am sure you agree being anti EU is not the same as anti European.
Anti English sentiments aren't any more acceptable than anti Scots ones. (except for around 80 minutes a year when they should be compulsory)



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Haha true! Ah don't we love the 6 Nations

I think overall we've mostly played nice in Scots/UK threads though, always gonna have the overly emotional responses in both camps, thats life.

Most folk seem to present reasoned arguments and lets face it Scots/UK/EU independence questions are massively important issues for all of us.



posted on May, 18 2015 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: DiggerDogg

Because you can't see how a scottish person could possibly think the way I do?

Look through my previous posts in this thread. I clearly state that I am Scottish.

I have all the 'ancestors fought with Robert the Bruce against the English" heritage that many of my fellow countrymen like to crow about.

If you are trying to insult me, then got to say I have heard that one before...

Tell me next that I should leave Scotland.

Yawn.

You don't have to tell me if you're Scottish or not. Your statement proves it to me....

There's a big difference between nationalism and patriotism.


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posted on May, 19 2015 @ 12:34 AM
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The Nazi parallel seems to strike a chord with some.

In real life, I have managed to get 4 snp party members to agree that this national socialist is a good name for their movement.

I find this very entertaining.

Am hoping that the idea takes root and they start to propose it.

One of them was a candidate as my local mp.

Penny hasn't dropped for him yet.




posted on May, 19 2015 @ 01:53 AM
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originally posted by: selfharmonise
The Nazi parallel seems to strike a chord with some.

In real life, I have managed to get 4 snp party members to agree that this national socialist is a good name for their movement.

I find this very entertaining.

Am hoping that the idea takes root and they start to propose it.

One of them was a candidate as my local mp.

Penny hasn't dropped for him yet.


Of course you have..........
Now do you have anything on actual policy to back up your"Brown Shirts" comments or do things like policy not intrude in your "real life"?



posted on May, 19 2015 @ 02:03 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand
A genuine question, do you think Cameron will put through the legislation for a EU referendum?



posted on May, 19 2015 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

To be fair, if the EU referendum is not in the Queens speech next week then it would be political suicide for Cameron after all the promises before the election.
I have no doubt we'll be getting that referendum, the only real unknowns are the loaded wording of the question and when it happens.

Examples:
"Do you agree that it is in the UK's best interests to remain part of the EU?"
"Do you agree that leaving the EU could be damaging for the UK?"

I could think of more, but you see where I'm coming from.



posted on May, 19 2015 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Andy Burnham is now pushing for a 2016 referendum, although not yet leader it looks like he is pushing for Cameron to put his money where his mouth is.

It looks like a clever move to me as it puts him in a win/win situation politically.

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