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See ya Scotland, now please go before influencing our EU referendum for the UK

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posted on May, 14 2015 @ 07:38 AM
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originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: skalla

I moved from Scotland before 21, I have lived in England longer than Scotland. I considered moving back a few years ago to do a Masters degree or other postgrad study, until SNP appeared spouting it's small minded, delusional socialist agenda and it reminded me of all the things I hated about Scotland in the first place. I wondered if it had grown up, perhaps got more intelligent, but in fact the opposite. Then I heard of all the harassment of English people there that felt the need to relocate to somewhere more civilized. I am not considering moving there now and it has also tainted the idea of visiting.

Socialism, labour mentality and SNP have irrevocably damaged the reputation of Scotland which has impacted on its economic ability, cultural affability, investment potential and tourist industries. The population and economy there is declining because of a ruinous economic policy that concentrated on 'new towns' which is a known failed strategy and resulted in economic decline of the greater Glasgow area which impacts all of Scotland. Due to it's population size and Geography, Scotland could be seen as a 'county' where Glasgow represents it's metropolitan economic area, and if that is defunct then so is the rest. Introspective Nationalist Socialist agendas are not favourable environments in a global capitalist world. There is also the Barnett formula 'squeeze' which alludes to bringing Scotland in line with the rest of the UK in terms of funding, due to population decline it means even less money to Scotland, which is cited as a factor of economic decline, clearly Scotland is dependent on it.

Scotland basically needs policy review regarding their economic structure, financial investment from elsewhere than the UK, and inwards migration. These are dependent on its 'attraction' factor to investors. It's international reputation as an aggressive, violent, hate filled, Nationalist Socialist nation, that blames England for it's issues, is exactly the the opposite of that which Scotland needs. Scotland is culturally, economically and politically unattractive. Hence it's trends are heading towards that of a doomed nation and without bolstering from the rest of the UK would be in a worse condition than it already is and it only has itself to blame.

Some research from Strathclyde University, that is worth reading for actual factual analysis of Scotland's economy. It appears doubtful that SNP even considers valid research, instead using rhetoric from Braveheart on which they based their bunk manifesto.

strathprints.strath.ac.uk...


Abstract
The population of Scotland is declining, both absolutely and relatively to the rest of the UK. Decline in the Scottish population relative to the rest of the UK is not new. In fact it has been continuous at least since 1851. But a prolonged period of absolute decline such as we are currently seeing is new; the only significant previous decline was by a rather small 40,000 in the 1920s. Since 1974 there has been a fall of about 100,000 and the decline is now projected to extend into the foreseeable future, accelerating after 2020.

Item type: Article
Keywords: population statistics, population decline, population dynamics, Scottish economy, Economic History and Conditions, Economics, Econometrics and Finance(all)
Subjects: Social Sciences > Economic History and Conditions
Department: Strathclyde Business School > Economics
Strathclyde Business School > Fraser of Allander Institute
Depositing user: Pure Administrator
Date Deposited: 13 Mar 2015 12:01
Last modified: 15 Apr 2015 10:14







who even stars this mince..?




posted on May, 14 2015 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
Because they have every right to do so!



Agreed However my point being that the Scots, whom I know

living in England are constantly moaning about England and the English.

My stance is that if it is so bad ... Why? Why? do they stay ?




It remains a UNION and as long as it does so then that fact will never alter.



How long do you suppose it will remain so? Salmond has made his agenda

quite clear. and although not quite as militant, Sturgeon has already

stated she is going to shake up parliament. I'm sure she intends to scupper

any exit from the EU that she possibly can.




It seems that some people are missing the point(s).
Scotland voted to remain in the Union.



They did!! and my take on that result was that many 'canny Scots'

are of the opinion that >>>>

If it sounds too good to be true .... It probably is!!
















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posted on May, 14 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: eletheia



Agreed However my point being that the Scots, whom I know
living in England are constantly moaning about England and the English.


I know lots of Scots living here in England.
Sure some are complete dickheads - so are many English people - and some of them do moan continuously - so do many English people.
But the majority are fine with English people, enjoy living here and working and socialising with us English.

Its my experience that the one's who constantly moan are just mean spirited, unhappy people who will whinge and moan no matter where they are and about whoever and whatever surrounds them regardless.

But generally its just part of the game - a bit of craic.
And long may it continue.
I give at least as good as I get, and my Scots friends love it.
But I guess its true to say they like to ridicule those who fail to see the craic and appreciate it for what it is.



My stance is that if it is so bad ... Why? Why? do they stay ?


Because they can and because they want to.



How long do you suppose it will remain so?


Probably not for very long if people continue to tell the Scots to get the # out of the Union.

You see, I'm one of those who believe we are both stronger and better together.
We have more of a chance making this country something we can ALL be proud of by remaining united fighting against those that would rule and subjugate us.



I'm sure she intends to scupper
any exit from the EU that she possibly can.


If we do ever get a vote on continued EU membership then she would be perfectly entitled to campaign whatever way she saw fit.
She has no legal or moral right to deny such a referendum....and the SNP lacks the political power in Westminster to do so as well.
So realistically what can she actually do to stop it from going ahead if Cameron ever does grant us the Right to Self-Determination?

Personally I feel its more important that we get the chance to debate publicly the pro's and con's of EU membership and then let the people decide.
Regardless of the outcome it will then be the peoples decision and not a bunch of smug, arrogant, self-centred politicians and Civil Servants.

I think if the UK voted to come out of the EU then Sturgeon would look at how Scotland voted and then decide what she believed would be the right course of action for Scotland.
Second guessing such outcomes at this juncture is pointless.






posted on May, 14 2015 @ 08:33 AM
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An interesting read;

www.bbc.co.uk...

Many in 'The North' feel they have a damn sight more in common with Scotland than they do with 'The South'.

I know I've encountered the 'you're from the North East so you're not really English' sentiment on countless occasions when in Scotland.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 08:56 AM
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Many of the Scots "mad" or who have a "negative view" towards the English dont know why - the ones that do know that it originates back to Celtic/anglo saxon times, and those that know all about this, know that the scots dont hate the English at all - they just like the other Celts more (welsh and Irish) than the English. It doesnt go any deeper these days than somone to shout at, down the pub when the rugby's on.

The yobs that hate the English in Scotland and the English yobs that hate the Scots (or Welsh/Irish) do so because they hate everyone, which typically is any creed, race, and ethnicity that isnt their own. These small collection of idiots in the UK take ancient 'grudges' to the papers and makes their nation look like leak ignorant fools.


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posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
You might need to take a seat, wouldn't want you to injure yourself when your knees buckle at this news...We built a brand new Hospital..Just opened last week. State of the art stuff.


One whole new hospital? Wow, we don't have these down in England...

Oh, wait.. Brand new, specialist, Emergency Care Hospital in England.. - so new in fact it's still being built...Ooh, another one....... I could go one, but point made.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

It's obviously not that serious, Freeborn, with many of those using the hashtag making it a joke and even then it's only been used 24,000 times out of a population of Millions, mainly by the miserable Left who cannot countenance people having differing views to them, so I'm not going to lose sleep over it.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: flammadraco
Strangely up here no one belived the polls and they where pretty damn accurate. UK wide people did believe and they seem to have missed by miles. As a genuine question has anyone read any good analysis of why the polls git it wrong, everything I have seen is just opinion pieces.



Yes, its called "Shy Tories", meaning those who voted Tory were to embarrassed or felt threatened to admit they were or did vote Tory. In Scotland at the last election the Tories received over 200,000 votes. This doubled last week to over 400,000 votes for the conservatives so they doubled their supporters in Scotland despite not winning any seats.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

In fact, the more I think about it and look into this, the more it smacks of "sore losers", as before the election, neither the hastag nor the map posted by the hashtag creator received any attention, bar a few hundred retweets - even "Stu Dents" own supporters ignored it (he has thousands of followers).

It's also made more annoying by the fact we had a Labour Government for 13 years, who did little to solve "northern problems", yet they still vote Labour and when they lost the election we get stupid nonsense like this. We didn't have the hashtag "take us with you France" in the South during those 13 years.

Another point worth making is that the North East is not interested in getting devolved power. They rejected a referendum years back and with the new Cities Bill, the local councils are rejecting a directly elected Mayor in return for more money and power as the local Authorities are trying to protect their own Fiefdoms - weirdly for the reason it would undermine the "elected representatives on the Councils", which is code for "we don't want to become irrelevant in the face of a powerful, elected Mayor accountable to the people rather than non-elected "Chief Executives" of those councils" - at least Manchester got over their petty differences and 10 LA's have signed up to the idea.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco
The vast majority of polls are online or phone based. How insecure does someone have to be to be threatened or embarrassed in such circumstances. And if it is true then being Tory has surely been embarrassing for decades. An adjustment factor should be was enough to calculate for polling results.
Thinking about it the exit polls were the most accurate and they are face to face aren't they?
Not discounting shy tories all together but not convinced is whole cause.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Let's be honest, the only correct polls were those that said SNP would win by a landslide. Only the BBC exit poll on the election night was spot on and other pollsters including YouGov stated that the BBC figures were wrong. There was a lot of "hat eating" a few hours later.

These pollsters only survey 2000 to 6000 people. The BBC polled 22,000 for their exit poll. This goes someway to prove that any poll with less than 20,000 folk surveyed needs to be taken with a pinch of salt!



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: flammadraco
True
, doesn't matter how good the methodology is if the sample size is too small. Cr*p in = Cr*p out.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: stumason

You're probably right mate.

Whilst I don't doubt there is significant sympathy and even a certain amount of respect for the Scots for the way they have stood up to Westminster after all the empty promises made to them during the referendum debate.

And its very common to hear people state that they feel they have more in common with Scots than they do Southerners.

However, there seems to have been quite a strong reaction to this article - the general gist of things is an overwhelming 'never' - we may have our differences but the majority still very much think they are English first and foremost....and always will be.

So yeah, I think I'd take the article with a pinch of salt.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 01:05 PM
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Another point worth making is that the North East is not interested in getting devolved power. They rejected a referendum years back......


Oh, I remember that well.
If ever there was a one sided referendum it was that one.

There was remarkably little publicity about it and what there was was incredibly one-sided.

Many of my friends, many of whom are educated and informed, can't even remember it taking place.

There is definitely a growing support for some sort of devolved power to the North East.



......and with the new Cities Bill, the local councils are rejecting a directly elected Mayor in return for more money and power as the local Authorities are trying to protect their own Fiefdoms - weirdly for the reason it would undermine the "elected representatives on the Councils",


To be honest I'm not all that up to date on the new Cities Bill and the plans for increased power being handed to City Councils.
Again, being honest, my initial reaction is one of doubt and suspicion - I don't live in a city - and I fear rural areas and towns will get forgotten or even ignored.

My town is governed by a Unitary Council.
Between 110,000 and 120,000 people live here - the population is growing quite dramatically.
They are most corrupt, opinionated, bullying organisation I have ever encountered.
Six Council officials are on salaries exceeding £100,000 per year - the Leader of the Council, a thoroughly repugnant individual, is paid more than the Prime Minister of this country.

I could rattle on for ever about their incompetencies, irregularities etc but this isn't the time or place.

It will come as no surprise to you when I tell you it is a Labour led council. (Even I voted against Labour yet they were re-elected nonetheless).

In theory I believe in devolution of power to all the regions of the UK within a Federal like Union.

But I am also a realist and I recognise that we are a long way away from being able to implement a system that offers the people a genuine say in matters that directly affect them and accountability for all elected and unelected officials.



- at least Manchester got over their petty differences and 10 LA's have signed up to the idea.


Yes, and many are now envious of what they perceive will be Manchester's pre-eminent position as some sort of capital of 'The North'.

I suspect none of this will have any sort of positive impact on all the old pit towns and villages and places like Teesside.



posted on May, 14 2015 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
You might need to take a seat, wouldn't want you to injure yourself when your knees buckle at this news...We built a brand new Hospital..Just opened last week. State of the art stuff.


One whole new hospital? Wow, we don't have these down in England...

Oh, wait.. Brand new, specialist, Emergency Care Hospital in England.. - so new in fact it's still being built...Ooh, another one....... I could go one, but point made.

From the guy who loses sleep at night because us Scots get free tuition fees and free prescription charges...you missed the point entirely.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
us Scots get free tuition fees
Yep, and it was thanks to Scottish MP's tipping the balance who voted in Parliament to reject free Uni tuition for England.
No matter, in a few months or so your MP's will have no vote over solely English matters any more, and we will be getting closer to a much more equitable situation.

The Scottish MP's voting against free Uni tuition in England was a disgrace and probably caused more resentment than many other issues including the Barnett formula. Remember, those Scottish MP's could have abstained and they didn't. English MP's had no say about devolved Scottish education (and rightly so) but your MP's stabbed the English students in the back. People haven't forgotten about that here.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
us Scots get free tuition fees
Yep, and it was thanks to Scottish MP's tipping the balance who voted in Parliament to reject free Uni tuition for England.
No matter, in a few months or so your MP's will have no vote over solely English matters any more, and we will be getting closer to a much more equitable situation.

The Scottish MP's voting against free Uni tuition in England was a disgrace and probably caused more resentment than many other issues including the Barnett formula. Remember, those Scottish MP's could have abstained and they didn't. English MP's had no say about devolved Scottish education (and rightly so) but your MP's stabbed the English students in the back. People haven't forgotten about that here.


you are Talking about Scots Labour MP's, less than 50, they voted against it up here also, as did English Mp's in there Hundreds vote in Westminster to stab their own Countrymen in the back....Blame your own English MP's.

Anyway, Labour are of no concern to me.
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posted on May, 15 2015 @ 11:55 AM
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Who cares what party they represented, they were Scottish MP's representing constituencies in Scotland voting on a solely English issue. Scottish MP's stabbed English students in the back. Free Uni tuition would have been provided to English students if those SCOTTISH MP's had abstained. It has not been forgotten.

I am pleased that unequitable situation will soon come to an end, and I look forward to seeing the SNP lose vote after vote in Parliament in the coming months lol...much amusement, possibly payback time.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi
To the OP. You assume people in England, Wales and NI want to leave the EU.

With a half decent public debate, I think you may find that this assumption is misplaced, even with some renegotiation.

The EU in or out


A misplaced presumption?

According to the linked poll 45% of citizens would vote to keep Britain within the EU.

Which, given a "yes or no" choice, means the majority, 55%, would vote to leave the EU.



posted on May, 15 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Who cares what party they represented, they were Scottish MP's representing constituencies in Scotland voting on a solely English issue. Scottish MP's stabbed English students in the back. Free Uni tuition would have been provided to English students if those SCOTTISH MP's had abstained. It has not been forgotten.

I am pleased that unequitable situation will soon come to an end, and I look forward to seeing the SNP lose vote after vote in Parliament in the coming months lol...much amusement, possibly payback time.


So it bothers you that Scottish MP's have a say on English matters, but you are quite happy for a English Elected Government to dictate to Scotland as it has done over and over again for hundreds of years...Hypocrite much.

David Cameron and Co can do what they like, He will go down in History as the PM who lost Scotland...dream on if you believe you will get a referendum on Europe. it aint gonna happen.

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