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originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
I ran across this story again today and thought I'd ask ATS what they thought about the situation.
Endangered since 1993, the plankton-eating silver minnow is blamed by farmers, lawmakers and water officials up and down the Golden State for locking down billions of gallons of water that otherwise would go to them.
The numbers suggest the delta smelt, indeed, could be wiped out soon anyway.
In a March 2012 trawl survey, wildlife officials found 296 fish. An identical sampling a month later found 143. But in April 2015, officials found a single fish, not enough to propagate the species.
Dr. Peter Moyle, an expert at UC Davis, predicts the smelt will likely be gone for good in about two years.
I guess my opinion is that if they are going to be extinct in a few years anyway, why not divert the water now when it's needed. Had the smelt been in a recovery, then maybe not but their extinction seems to be inevitable.
www.foxnews.com...
originally posted by: JHumm
originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
I ran across this story again today and thought I'd ask ATS what they thought about the situation.
Endangered since 1993, the plankton-eating silver minnow is blamed by farmers, lawmakers and water officials up and down the Golden State for locking down billions of gallons of water that otherwise would go to them.
The numbers suggest the delta smelt, indeed, could be wiped out soon anyway.
In a March 2012 trawl survey, wildlife officials found 296 fish. An identical sampling a month later found 143. But in April 2015, officials found a single fish, not enough to propagate the species.
Dr. Peter Moyle, an expert at UC Davis, predicts the smelt will likely be gone for good in about two years.
I guess my opinion is that if they are going to be extinct in a few years anyway, why not divert the water now when it's needed. Had the smelt been in a recovery, then maybe not but their extinction seems to be inevitable.
www.foxnews.com...
Well if you look at it like that. Then we might as well get WW3 going and kill everyone on earth since it seems that we are heading there anyway. ...
originally posted by: misskat1
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71
Im a Californian, this isnt about the fish. Its about owning water rights in California. This is about Agenda 21.
This is the third year of below-average precipitation and snowpack in California. The situation has been compounded by court-ordered pumping cutbacks in the Sacramento-San Joaquin delta to protect crashing fish populations.
originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
I guess my opinion is that if they are going to be extinct in a few years anyway, why not divert the water now when it's needed. Had the smelt been in a recovery, then maybe not but their extinction seems to be inevitable.
originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
I guess my opinion is that if they are going to be extinct in a few years anyway, why not divert the water now when it's needed. Had the smelt been in a recovery, then maybe not but their extinction seems to be inevitable.
Has it crossed your mind that it need not necessarily be about the smelt? That it is an indicator species for larger stuff going on? So when you say "# the Fish", you're really saying "Bring it on"...without entirely knowing what 'it' is?
Seeing as the hydrology has already been pissed away, it might be worthwhile to look at the bigger picture.
originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
I ran across this story again today and thought I'd ask ATS what they thought about the situation.
Endangered since 1993, the plankton-eating silver minnow is blamed by farmers, lawmakers and water officials up and down the Golden State for locking down billions of gallons of water that otherwise would go to them.
The numbers suggest the delta smelt, indeed, could be wiped out soon anyway.
In a March 2012 trawl survey, wildlife officials found 296 fish. An identical sampling a month later found 143. But in April 2015, officials found a single fish, not enough to propagate the species.
Dr. Peter Moyle, an expert at UC Davis, predicts the smelt will likely be gone for good in about two years.
I guess my opinion is that if they are going to be extinct in a few years anyway, why not divert the water now when it's needed. Had the smelt been in a recovery, then maybe not but their extinction seems to be inevitable.
www.foxnews.com...
originally posted by: misskat1
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71
Im a Californian, this isnt about the fish. Its about owning water rights in California. This is about Agenda 21.
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71
California should be allowed to fail.....It is destiny. They built a civilization in the desert and cry and complain about not having enough water all the while wasting what water they do have.
I find it so ironic that California the state that cries about this and that when it comes to the planet changes it's tune really quick when it comes to water.
Approximately 90 percent of California’s water supply is used for agriculture.
California has about 37 million acres of farmland, but more than one-half of this is open range and less then one-third is cropland.
Within the State more than 70 percent of the streamflow is generated in the area north of the latitude of Sacramento, while about 80 percent of the water requirements lie south of this line. Thus, distribution of water is a major concern within the State.
California is a $2 trillion economy. As many have pointed out, all the calls for urban water conservation seem puzzling. Is it worth squeezing the cities when farms consume 80 percent of the water that people use in California, while they generate only 2 percent of its economic activity?
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71
California should be allowed to fail.....It is destiny. They built a civilization in the desert and cry and complain about not having enough water all the while wasting what water they do have.
I find it so ironic that California the state that cries about this and that when it comes to the planet changes it's tune really quick when it comes to water.
Central Valley, one of the world's most productive agricultural areas. Virtually all of the almonds, artichokes, lemons, pistachios, and processed tomatoes grown in the United States originate from the valley, whose productive soil is unmatched elsewhere in the country. California's spinach yield, for example is 60 percent more per acre than in the rest of the United States. The state's marine climate allows it to grow crops like broccoli that wilt in humid climates. California is the world's fifth-largest supplier of food, a big reason why the state would, if an independent country, be the 7th largest economy in the world.