Becareful Rapture is Heresy! it seems is for the evildoers not for the Saved ones!

originally posted by: rockpaperhammock
a reply to: WarminIndy

Because I think most churches are a big lie that are trying to get your money...and the fanatical people rise up and start wars in the name of their god. So I cruise religious threads to keep tabs on the times...because I don't believe in this nonsense at all what would be the one thing to make me believe? The rapture would be a good a start.

And I did fight evil...only to see the lines arent quite so clear on who is evil and who isn't. Served in the Infantry for many years. So ya...the space ghost is a joke to me but I did appreciate the alternative view on the thread...and for the record ive read almost the entire bible. Id wager most bible humpers haven't.

Evil isn't found always in the military opposition.

Evil is among the mundane of the populations.

I've read the entire Bible, so I must not be like most Bible humpers.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Im glad you have...i do find it amazing how many people believe in this stuff but have never read the book. For that I respect your decision at least. You educated yourself on the matter like me and we chose a different path. So with that I totally respect you.

Ive done more work than the infantry which I don't want to get into....but my entire adult life excluding college was fighting "evil" in one way or another. Now I find it is just something I enjoy monitoring but don't really care any more to get involved because by being good you are evil to someone else. I live on a beach now...drink margaritas and lay in a hammock...it is all good.

originally posted by: rockpaperhammock
a reply to: WarminIndy

Im glad you have...i do find it amazing how many people believe in this stuff but have never read the book. For that I respect your decision at least. You educated yourself on the matter like me and we chose a different path. So with that I totally respect you.

Ive done more work than the infantry which I don't want to get into....but my entire adult life excluding college was fighting "evil" in one way or another. Now I find it is just something I enjoy monitoring but don't really care any more to get involved because by being good you are evil to someone else. I live on a beach now...drink margaritas and lay in a hammock...it is all good.

Sounds like a pretty good set up.

All 5 of my brothers were military, my grandfather was also a POW in Bataan. There are things that don't have to be explained. But I have to at least appreciate it.

a reply to: The angel of light

You may have the wrong interpretation of Matthew 24-28 there. After looking at the issue I realized there is a different interpretation of that. What it's doing is referencing a different end time prophecy. Daniel 8 to be exact. If you read Daniel 8 what it is telling you is that at the beginning of the end times 2 nations in the middle east would be conquered by a powerful nation from out of the west. What he did was to tell you the events to look for just before his return.

Then as Daniel 11-4 puts it.
And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

Plucked up??? Hmmmnnn.

The book of Revelation is not predictions or prophecies of past present or future historical events.The reason there are myriads of different interpretations is because they are all false.

These rumors are because the religious have extrapolated a fantasy scenario in their religions carnal mind.It is no more truth than the tooth fairy.It has become so out of control even some of those that “don’t” believe in it act like they do!Its a recipe for insanity.

The book of Revelations states in the first verse it is written in signs(symbols) about the “apocalypse” of Yahoshua(which means Yahweh is deliverance/salvation) christ (which means anointing).

The pathology of twisting the meaning of words is in the clear line of evidence of religious self deception.For instance the Greek word apocalypse means unveiling or uncovering.It is now defined as great cataclysm!!!Those definitions are not even close but the religious carnal mind of a chicken little extrapolates it’s meaning.The real proof of it’s insanity is people that believe in the Apocalypse!!!! will completely ignore this very easily discoverable fact and believe their false definition and say “its in the bible!!”.

Is there a”rapture” that is anything like the religious believe..absolutely not.That belief is more like very bad scifi than truth(even though the Leftovers is very good!).This should lead to the very clear proposition that everything that Christianity believe is highly presumptuous because it uses the same method cherry picking extrapolation method for their theology.There are clear statements that Christianity can’t understand at all and will deny them to the death.Here is the most clear incrimination of Christianity by the one who supposedly started it!This is Yahoshua talking to his disciples.

“Do not be deceived.For many will come in my name saying they are christ and deceive many”

This verse is twisted to mean just the opposite of what it clearly states.Christianity believes these "many" are the heathens or the “false Christians(the Protestants say the Catholics the Catholics say the Protestants etc etc ...).The clear fact is Yahoshua is saying it is ALL of Christianity.They are the only group of MANY that come in Jesus names saying they are “christ”(Christ-ians).

History has proven over and over again Christians do not come in benevolence at all.They come to condemn those that don’t believe as they do to the judgement of the eternal punishment of hell.They call this the “Good News”!!!...It couldn’t be more clear how this is complete insanity and delusional and all those that believe it are deceived yet Christianity cannot see it.

They will feign how they “love” their neighbor yet bully them with a false gospel and when their “God” is rejected they glory in the fact under the guise of false "love" that person " will suffer in hell for eternity.That is the most perverted scenario anyone could believe.They have concocted a false God in their mind, created in their own image.It should not come as any wonder why so many non Christians do not like Christians it is because they do not like their God which is the Christian THEMSELVES!

The fact is the rapture as believed by Christians or the gullible is not true.It is chicken little, pie in the sky doom porn at best.

For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the Tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins (On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, by Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373).

There is evidence from at least one old writing that things in the very early Christian Church were at least as divided on this subject as they are now.

As far as modern understanding not having an idea of the Rapture until quite recently, after the Catholic Church took control, most of what people were taught and allowed to think about theology was guided and policed by orthodox Catholic teaching.

If it took a while for Protestants to get around to digging deeply into the Bible to establish their own teachings and interpretations away from Catholic orthodoxy after the Reformation, they can probably be forgiven. Just because they are different doesn't mean they are wrong, especially not if they are at their base still rooted in scripture. The base belief behind the idea of Rapture is no better or worse than any other when the linguistic root meanings of the word's etymology are considered.

In the end, what it boils down is that you are calling a bunch of people heretics because they differ in how they choose to interpret a bit of text, and yet they believe in Christ same as you.

originally posted by: ketsuko

For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the Tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins (On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, by Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373).

There is evidence from at least one old writing that things in the very early Christian Church were at least as divided on this subject as they are now.

As far as modern understanding not having an idea of the Rapture until quite recently, after the Catholic Church took control, most of what people were taught and allowed to think about theology was guided and policed by orthodox Catholic teaching.

If it took a while for Protestants to get around to digging deeply into the Bible to establish their own teachings and interpretations away from Catholic orthodoxy after the Reformation, they can probably be forgiven. Just because they are different doesn't mean they are wrong, especially not if they are at their base still rooted in scripture. The base belief behind the idea of Rapture is no better or worse than any other when the linguistic root meanings of the word's etymology are considered.

In the end, what it boils down is that you are calling a bunch of people heretics because they differ in how they choose to interpret a bit of text, and yet they believe in Christ same as you.

Jesus simply taught that at some point there will be an end, but until then watch and pray for you don't know the hour your Lord cometh.

One thing I remember from my pastor when I was young was, "Jesus comes to some people and Jesus comes for some people". That may be as far from orthodoxy as you can get, but the truth is, a whole lot of people just went out this evening, some were caught up to Jesus they have faith in. And this very evening some people met Jesus in a very real experience. Jesus came to them.

A general resurrection of the dead, yes, I believe that. But the point is that whether it is post, pre or mid, to be ready. And as far as tribulation, Jesus said that it would happen. He didn't say when but I think that since He spoke it, the world has not known a time without tribulation. Even the 20th Century proves that much.

The Jews went through tribulation for a long time, I don't understand why the Christian thinks they are so special that they aren't going to go through anything. The gentile church is just grafted in and we are not supposed to boast ourselves against them. Too many Christians forgot that saying.

But the tribulation, no Christian should fool themselves, they are boasting against the vine and the branches, and if God was displeased with 3,000 and overthrew them, then how can we expect to be treated differently?

Maybe I'm not orthodox enough as a Christian, but I just remember that "Jesus comes to some people and Jesus comes for some people". We just have to watch and pray because our Lord does not delay His coming. He will come at the appointed time.

a reply to: WarminIndy

More or less I agree. There are two ways to experience the 2nd Coming. He either comes back to earth or you go to Him.

I only know where my personal experiences and faith have led me in terms of my belief. I'm not sure that I have invested all of my faith in a Rapture, but I don't discount it. Nothing in my experience has led me to feel it is any more right or wrong than other interpretations of the End.

a reply to: ketsuko
a reply to: WarminIndy

Dear Ketsuko, WarminIndy

I have three so serious concerns to express on the Rapture Heresy.

First, it is about the fanaticism around the Rapture, is that the idea is based on assumptions that are visibly contradicting fundamental axis concepts of the teachings of Christ and the Bible prophecies.

First all this world was created by God, if we follow essential aspects of the Christian faith, so it is clear that the world by itself is owned by the Creator.

A rapture in ordinary life is an act that is performed by somebody that enters in the state of other briefly takes something or kidnap somebody and escape with it, so by definition is the action not of the owner of the house but more likely of a bandit or some trespasser.

Why God and his Angels might come to rapture from his own world his own creatures? there is a contradiction on that proposition.

Now, something entirely different appears when we think that any owner or manager of any state is always in authority to spell undesirable people of it, that is his right. I mean, this is like when a Tenant is defending his privacy of the intrusion of a thief, or when a landlord is evicting somebody that is no longer paying rent or has violated the terms of lease agreement.

The Rapture as a cleaning or surveillance operation is something that sounds more logical as part of the divine plan than as a rescue of the good fellows to leave the earth to annihilation.

My second concerns refer to other aspect that worries me a lot, that is to confuse an Act of God with something that might be absolutely criminal or even extremely evil, in the level of demonic.

Matthew 24:24
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

I have already talked of the many collective suicides and other crazy kidnapping cases in History by sects supporting the rapture. What happened in Jonestown, Guyana with the People's Temple in November 18th of 1978 is just one example.

St Mark 13, 5And Jesus began to say to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. 6"Many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He!' and will mislead many.

Pls read:

en.wikipedia.org...

St Matthew 7:15
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

America unfortunately has a terrible case of a false Prophet who started a movement that leaded thousands in a extremely long march toward the worst part of the dessert in XIX. His name was Joseph Smith.

Joseph Smith was a money digger that used for years dowsing techniques on that job. This was before He claimed that he was the Prophet of God for the latter days and that experienced a kind of supernatural contact in the middle of the woods in NY state where he "received" from Christ a renewed Priesthood, he was beginner of the Mormonism.

We have listened since them an uncountable list of scandals related with polygamy and other sexual misconduct in the places that are under the control of that sect.

Pls read:

en.fairmormon.org...

en.fairmormon.org...

Joseph Smith used some seer stones to supposedly translate the pages of a "revealed holy" book nobody else after him has seen and that is called the book of Mormon. What were those magic seer stones? look at the following link.

www.juvenileinstructor.org...

St Matthew 24, 5"For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many

Now, My Third important concern is How about if a massive abduction by some not friendly extraterrestrial Alien incursion on people of this planet is confused with the divine action of Angels of God for instance?,

Can you imagine what the kind of horrible action this may represent? Not all what comes from the outers space is reliable or even friendly.

We are talking about people that in their good will think that they are praying to be raptured by God to be sent to Heaven when instead could go easily to a kidnap by malicious creatures of other world to perform on them who knows what kind of experiments!

St Luke10, 17The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name." 18And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

The number of this kind abductions, in smaller scale, with terrible traumatic consequences for the hostages has increased along the last decades since the 1960s. There is people that have spent the rest of their lives trying to recover of post traumatic stress caused by Alien Abductions.

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."

Have you ever heard of what happened to Travis Walton in November 5th of 1975 in Arizona?

Pls read :

en.wikipedia.org...(UFO_witness)

Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Thanks for your comments,

The Angel of Lightness

Apocalypsis 12 Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE) www.biblegateway.com...
5 et peperit filium masculum qui recturus erit omnes gentes in virga ferrea et raptus est filius eius ad Deum et ad thronum eius

If tomorrow you have spaceships descending on Earth with human-looking ET, offering a free ride to distant peaceful planets, will you call it a rapture?

I don't care of the names. We live in a world where theories lied for millenia and where everything but the fact we are alive, is screwed up. I doubt there is a person on this planet, no matter how rich and healthy, who is satisfied to the point to say he doesn't want something more or different. And many of us never ever reached his status.

The rapture is clearly present in the New Testament writings.

Although we know they themselves are written somewhere between 2 and 3 century before they were approved on Nicaea council early 4th century. I wonder what the books which were successfully burnt and eradicated from record, would have said about that. What would Jesus say about that, if someone would have sat down and recorded what the Master talked. Not someone 2 centuries later 'post factum' under orders from pagan Rome.

Perhaps Jesus spoke of many more things, rapture included, angelic intervention included. Remember in Gethsemane garden he was one step of calling 12 legions of angels (understand ET fleet bigger than those in Star Wars) but he preferred to die. May He call that angelic fleet now and deliver us, before every single chosen servant dies off.

Actually, the new generation that grows up without the baggage of false theology, is more prepared than the old generations. It will accept the 'Jedi ships' as something purely natural to happen, and will escape whatever doom is prepared for planet earth. Despite the futile attempts of religious and secular alike to keep it here to suffer even more.

If it wasn't that way, if this planet was destined to be the paradise garden again, we would have seen it after 2000 years "Christianity" an "graces", after elimination of the Original sin on the Cross by Jesus, after baptizing peoples to the ends of the planet (not the ends of the world or universe!), after the progress witnessed in the last 2 centuries that makes it possible to feed the hungry,.... No paradise garden came to this planet anyway. New problems such as overpopulation and scarcity of resources make the picture worse, not better compared to pre-industrial periods.

So I will take my chance and will board the first ship that comes, regardless of whether it is a rapture spaceship or not. Call it demonic if you'd like to, and remain to repay someone else's faults.

"Heresy" is not the best term to label what one does not like from any theological point of view. If it were not those labels in the time of Nicaea, we would have a dozen more books, probably many more, that would have told us clearer of Jesus, His life on Earth, and His teaching. Including of the rapture. I do not put my belief on the already discovered Apocrypha. Rather, there could be a great deal of unwritten teaching of Lord Jesus.

He ascended "into cloud". The Israelites were kept from Egyptians by a "Cloud". How about those "clouds" and their UFO functions, besides the angels without wings? Did those "clouds" record also the life of Lord Jesus on Earth, 33.5 years? Will it be released soon? (you need 33y to watch it, but there might be short versions as well).

The religious headquarters must acknowledge their trespasses and start it all over. Or, on the new Earth that will ultimately be reached by the saved ones, there will be new teachers with better teaching. The history won't be merciful to those who deluded 20 centuries' generations, and behave in 21st as if they would be given another number of centuries and generations in the same way. No it won't! Or perhaps they just buy time for themselves to save themselves while maintaining the status quo for the masses. It is more fit to their egoistic character over the centuries. The end game happens now, regardless of whether Jesus will come after another 20 centuries or 200. Nobody knows, how we know?

In that way you may not call "rapture" what I am talking about. Rather rescue from planet earth before nuclear or other event. Theoretically it may continue not 3 days of darkness, not 3 years, but 30 or more years. But I doubt that will be allowed so big period of time, taking into account unwillingness to believe among too many people. I'd like to have 30 more years with angelic presence with spaceships who will teach us the true life of Jesus as recorded from clouds. Let it be the case.

I am very far from the idea that the doom must happen here and now. The salvation must happen here and now, if there should be any survivor from the Generation that witnessed Israel restored. The Generation that is a living witness of processes on earth that happen not that often, even on galactic scale. That generation and the younger ones of course, deserve to be saved and rewarded, and serve as witness to the ends of the Universe. Because of that, I think the rescue is now, regardless of whether it continues 30 or more years, or only 3 days of darkness followed by "fire from heaven" (akita). Of course the lifespan of the saved ones will be prolonged. In that way, no promise given in the Old Testament or the NT will be eliminated, and God's people will be saved.

There is no such thing as a pretrib rapture of good people off earth while bad people are left to suffer in tribulation. It's a bunch of nonsense invented by failed Anglican priest Nelson Darby in the 1800s. His rapture cult spread through certain protestant churches that wanted a free ticket out of the tribulations that are coming to ALL people living on the planet. None escape them.

www.raptureready.com...

Epharaem the Syrian said, in 373 AD, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

Why there isn't rapture, if Jesus said: "one is taken, another left"? There are a dozen of places in NT and they cannot be all wrong. It is not a protestant doctrine to be dumped by catholics because it is protestant. It is early church belief.


Flyers, congrats you are a Mod now. However, it would be good if you are more precise in your responses with more argumentation. What is the position of the Catholic church that you tirelessly defend, or may be a group within the too large church to be encompassed by one single person? Perhaps the Church doesn't know, so you don't know either?

Don't we see changing positions of the Catholic church on key issues, including the removal of the Limbo,
and if so, why couldn't we accept a change of position on that, too?

How about " rescue from earth", if we are NOT immediately in the pre-Tribulation period?

Let me ask you concrete question: If tomorrow pope Francis or appointed by him cardinal (that is the same) board extraterrestrial ship to Sirius to go baptize aliens, will that be seen as transgression or not? How about those aliens then recompense the unimaginable gift of baptism by offering a refuge of all earth citizens who want to escape, let say, Yellowstone or incoming comet? Is it a rapture or not? Does it matter if it is called rapture or not? It is as simple as that, although it could be elaborated much more.

Be well!

a reply to: rockpaperhammock

I live on a beach now...drink margaritas and lay in a hammock...it is all good.

Sooner or later the booze dries up and you gotta die. Then what? Been in the infantry you say? Thanks for serving.

a reply to: The angel of light

Now, My Third important concern is How about if a massive abduction by some not friendly extraterrestrial Alien incursion on people of this planet is confused with the divine action of Angels of God for instance?,

Can you imagine what the kind of horrible action this may represent? Not all what comes from the outers space is reliable or even friendly.

The horror on Earth especially in the past 20th century was so great, that some compare it to hell. Many people you can hear them saying, the earth is actually the purgatory or even hell.

What worse could possibly happen if evil aliens abduct us? And what is evil, why should they be called evil? Because of pre-imposed schemes of theologians who didn't benevolent to tell us the truth for 20 centuries?

I volunteer to be abducted, and to leave for good your so called "paradise garden" that didn't make an inch on the command of Jesus to build up Kingdom of God, for 20 centuries. I don't want such "paradise" in which most people suffer unjust life sentences all their lives. Is this God's justice or mercy? I'd call it the mercy of Satan may be, who is in control over here.

You say, not all that comes from space is friendly. So you might have admitted to yourself, that something that comes from space is friendly, other- not.

Well, I leave that open ended, because after 2 long posts without answer, is pretty much enough for me. I reasoned in depth of who might be good and who - not, in other thread already. I don't have so much time to lose.



The only other option being the imminent et contact and disclosure to bring an era of peace here on earth that many of you guys will cal the rise of the antichrist. You can't understand that should have happened right at the time of the apostles when Peter saw the animals on the roof. Romans? He saw sentient aliens who differed from the human aliens! Even pope Francis talked about that. BTW I'd wish the pope to start browsing internet and not to make absurd excuses for his inaction already third year. After all he is not the king of the kings and his word is not the last word of God on the judgment day. Not even infallible. He will either be a part of the solution, or a part of the problem.

So the rapture - what difference between spaceship ride that we see in Star Wars? Who is good and who is evil? Was the empire good? It was ruled by humans who might have had also religion. The good ones for me will be the ones who will come to me, not to some private multi-bilionaire, and will offer concrete help. If needed a lift out of here. If not, the Earth could be a paradise garden, with their help. The kingdom of God here and now. I'd like it. But if not, make no mistake. Whoever doesn't accept God's call, will lose it for himself and for the next generations he otherwise would have had on the new earth.

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volunteer to be abducted, and to leave for good your so called "paradise garden" that didn't make an inch on the command of Jesus to build up Kingdom of God, for 20 centuries. I don't want such "paradise" in which most people suffer unjust life sentences all their lives. Is this God's justice or mercy? I'd call it the mercy of Satan may be, who is in control over here.

2012newstart



Dear Newstart,

Ha Ha, I really enjoy reading your reply, but this paragraph that you volunteer to be abducted is definitively my favorite one. Sorry If I didn't reply any of your posts, unfortunately I have right now a lot of threads moving with great momentum and sometimes my time is very limited to be replying more frequently in all.

Now, I think you must consider that probably the Outer space is like the earth, after all our planet is part of the Universe and in some way is a sample of it. So, it could be possible that on space also we can find good and bad beings, constructive and destructive intelligences, some that are highly evolved, especially in spiritual aspects, and willing to come here and share with us their wisdom, but others perhaps have developed means of transportation across the universe only to expand their civilization using violence, because violence also can produce civilization, war is a nice example to describe the dark side of many empires and even nations that don't like to be described as empires but perform like them.

We have seen that before here on earth, entire civilizations that although had some positive side, contributing in important amount to the progress of humanity, like boosting science and technology, also have produced people that were among the worst thieves and murderers of History, Just pick up one example at random: Britain.

There were British great poets like TS Elliot, Great fair rulers or liberators like King Arthur, or Lawrence of Arabia, Great scientists like Isaac Newton, Great Artists like George Handel, Henry Purcell, James Archer, Arthur Huges, etc. But also the same nation has produced some of the worst villains, tyrants, murderers of History like King Henry VIIIth, Oliver Cromwell, Francis Drake, Henry Morgan, King Richard III, King Charles 1st, Jack the Ripper, etc.

I decided to pick up Britain as an example but you can do it with almost all the great civilizations of the earth , Rome produced the rule of Law, The Republic, but at the same they invented Crucifixion and the circus maximus and the maffia; Germany and Austria gave to humanity some of the best creative talents like Wolfgang Motzart, Johan Sebastian Bach, as well as some of the most beautiful minds like Herman Hesse , or Immanuel Kant, some of the most brilliant Intelligences like Albert Einstein or Verner von Braun, but it also produced terrible destructive minds like Adolf Hitler, or Karl Marx. The same can be said of Russia, that is the fatherland of incredibly positive great men like Tchaikovsky, Stanislavsky, Stravinsky, Chagall, Kandinsky, Nureyev, but at the same time of terrible evildoers like Lenin, Trotsky, or Ivan the Terrible.

So, it is good you are not Xenophobic with respect to Aliens, but it is advisable to don't be also Xenophillic, because they are part of the Universe, and so they participate of Universals, like virtues but also sins.

I insist that the Rapture is not solidly based from the religious point of view, there is no sense that God takes the good ones and let his universe , his solar system and his earth to be collapsed by evilness. That is really absurd perspective, the owner of the house is not going to allow his property to be destroyed by evildoers, the right action is to expel them from its state and give it to good people that really deserve it.

Here a Quote that clearly explains the point:

Luke 20:9-19 “He went on to tell the people this parable: A man planted a vineyard, rented it to some farmers and went away for a long time. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants so they would give him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the tenants beat him and sent him away empty-handed. He sent another servant, but that one also they beat and treated shamefully and sent away empty-handed.

He sent still a third, and they wounded him and threw him out. Then the owner of the vineyard said, ‘What shall I do? I will send my son, whom I love; perhaps they will respect him.’ But when the tenants saw him, they talked the matter over. ‘This is the heir,’ they said. ‘Let’s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.’ When the people heard this, they said, ‘May this never be!’ Jesus looked directly at them and asked, ‘Then what is the meaning of that which is written: “The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone’’? Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.’

The teachers of the law and the chief priests looked for a way to arrest him immediately, because they knew he had spoken this parable against them. But they were afraid of the people.”

This quote is equally valid to describe the way the Jewish people were expelled from the Holyland in the year 70 AD by the Romans, since they never accepted or Honor Jesus as a prophet , messiah and high Priest of God, instead they killed him brutally, but also it is valid to describe what is going to happen at the end of times with earth. After all the Holy land is a miniature version of the planet, and Israel is a miniature version of the Humanity.

Please read the case of abduction of Travis Walton in 1974, it was clearly not a pleasant experience for him.

en.wikipedia.org...(UFO_witness)

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

You could quote many other horrible "stories of abduction". Most often mothers who got pregnant on the ships.
That doesn't mean they are all true. May be some of them are, and I never said that all ET are good. In respect to Grey, they are like bio robots without souls, most of them.

I suggest the interview of Kerry with Dr Greer about polarity of ET.

The Vatican knew of that since Pius XII

Now a mod with certain conservative catholic views should come and say, this is not true, the other is!

What is called "heresy" should become a "dogma" under a new pope with updated vision of the world, including the galactic world. If not, the Catholic church will be cancelled altogether. It played its role already. The dogma of the angels being extraterrestrial inhabitants of the Universe, should have come right after Giordano Bruno pronounced there are many more worlds like the solar world, at the end of the Dark Ages. Instead, he was burnt and the Catholic Church never came out of the limbo black hole it put itself into it.

Not until this very hour, despite the attempts of lower level Jesuits to repair the damage. Pope's "baptizing martians" is too little too late. Why, they may not need your baptism, all those other civilizations. Even Pader Pio talked on that. But it is not popular among catholics! Better talk about the 3 days of darkness and the miraculous restoration of earth in its primordial state (paradise garden). Oh you forgot the dinosaurs, because they were part of earth's history, if we have to be honest with what we find on the ground. The homo sapience were around for 30,000 years at least, and the dinosaurs for millions. Call them demons, too, because they look like the dragon of Revelation? You know you might be right. The pristine earth might have had dragons, and the paradise spoken of Genesis might have not been such a paradise. Let note the book Genesis was written not before but AFTER the flood, thousands years later. Make a dogma of it? I wouldn't believe it.

a reply to: The angel of light
I think maybe you should research first century Jewish Wedding customs. Marriage is a typification of the relationship between Christ and his Bride(the Church). The groom-to-be would negotiate what they called the bride price(the Cross) with the Brides Father. After this the couple was married, but the groom would leave to go and build a home for his Bride(this could take years).

John 14:3
2"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3"If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4"And you know the way where I am going."

Then the groom would try and sneak the bride away when no one was looking. When the bridesmaids realized the Bride was gone they would ring a bell and the wedding feast would begin. We then follow to read Matthew 25:1-13:

v25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Notice in the passage above the Bride has already been taken away by the Groom. The Oil represents the Holy Spirit. The Bridesmaids are those that turn to Christ during the seventieth week of Daniel after the Bride has been taken. Anyways tons more I could go into but I don't wanna steamroll

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a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Dear ServantOfTheLamb,

I am trying to follow your analysis and to see the connection with the rapture, either in favor or against it, and to be honest I don't see where is the point you are trying to show.

Of course marriage as it is described in that Parable is the relationship in between Christ and the Church, in that sense all the saved ones enter in a kind of perfect communion with Jesus that is very look like a marriage sacrament that is a communion in between two persons in the presence of God.

Now, what is clear in the parable is that Christ is coming back to earth at some point to reclaim what is his, his brides in this case that represent his church. That is what normally we refer as the final judgment of Nations.

By the way your post is repeated three times, I just want to let you know that.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness