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To Those That Condemn Homosexuality I Ask, Where Are Your Tassels!?

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posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:18 PM
a reply to: boymonkey74

So in your quest to defend the honor of gay folks, you attempt to belittle me by insinuating that I'm gay?

*Scratches head*

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:19 PM
a reply to: Klassified

I agree I personally don't know anyone with any beef with gay folk.
But I live in a none religious country.

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:21 PM
a reply to: Bone75

Studies do show many homophobes are actually gay and hiding it.
Just helping you to be happy..
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posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:23 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You'd have to show that there is a chemical imbalance in the brain that makes the person predisposed to being attracted to animals. That's how you prove there is a mental illness.

Not quite, but close.

People can be very messed up and mentally ill without having a "chemical imbalance". Remember that nature and nurture are equal contributors. Mental illness is diagnosed on the basis of the client's overall functioning and making that "diagnosis" is a multi-pronged process. It covers several axes:

Axis 1: Clinical Disorders
Axis 2: Personality Disorders and Mental/Developmental "Retardation"
Axis 3: General Medical Conditions
Axis 4: Psychosocial and Environmental Problems
Axis 5: Global Assessment of Functioning*

DSM Axis Description from the DSM-IV-TR.
(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, 4th edition, Text Revision)
This DSM was recently overhauled, but I practiced as a clinician with the DSM-IV-TR.

*The Global Assessment of Functioning is like a "summary" section, which rates overall functioning on a scale of 0-100.
0 equaling "Dead", and 100 being "Perfection." NO ONE is a perfect 100.
GAF scale

edit on 5/5/2015 by BuzzyWigs because: spacing and clarity

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:25 PM
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

So would you rate being sexually attracted to an animal as a mental illness then?

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:27 PM
Just to add many folk have asked me if iam fay due to the lack if a lady...I take it as a compliment. folk are very well groomed

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:36 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I would call it a neurosis. Not the same as a bio-chemical symptom (chemical imbalance). But it must be emphasized that sexual "disorders" are often based more in cultural context than anything else.
(just a wiki entry, but has plenty of references to check if anyone else is interested).

In the DSM-5, it rises to the level of a diagnosable disorder only when accompanied by distress or interference with normal functioning.[28][34]

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:41 PM
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I'm curious what "distress or interference with normal functioning" means in the context of screwing a non-human animal. Do you have to feel bad about your actions? Does your cravings for animal sex have to come in detriment to the rest of your life?

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:46 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm curious what "distress or interference with normal functioning" means in the context of screwing a non-human animal. Do you have to feel bad about your actions? Does your cravings for animal sex have to come in detriment to the rest of your life?

If it is interfering with your ability to function comfortably FROM YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVE is the "distress". Every client is the expert on themselves. A good diagnosis would entail lengthy interviews, a family history, and discussion of how "impaired" the person feels BECAUSE of their attraction.

Ethically is a different story. I'm just talking about how it would be diagnosed by a "mental health professional." Like homosexuality and pedophilia, it can't be "cured." It just is what it is. Whether the client acts on it is the issue.

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:48 PM
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

No mental illness can be cured though. Only treated.

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:54 PM

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: WarminIndy

Not all Jews today wear them.

NO Christians wear tasseled clothing at all! Why not?

See, this guy isn't following the law. The corners of the cloth making up his clothing are not tasseled, like the biblical law required, but he's wearing tassels around his neck, as an embellishment.

Why? Because tassels are FABULOUS.

Maybe you need a picture of an Orthodox Jew.

The tassels in reference are the tzittzits on the ends of the prayer shawls.


The Hebrew noun tzitzit [tsiˈtsit] (Hebrew: ציצית, Modern tzitzit, Tiberian sˤisˤiṯ) is the name for specially knotted ritual fringes, or tassels, worn in antiquity by Israelites and today by observant Jews and Samaritans. Tzitzit are attached to the four corners of the tallit (prayer shawl) and tallit katan (everyday undergarment). Other pronunciations include Biblical and Middle Eastern (i.e., Mizrachi): ṣiṣit, Spanish and Mediterranean (i.e., Sephardic): tzitzit; European and Yiddish (i.e., Ashkenazi): tzitzis; Yemenite (i.e., Temani): ṣiṣith; Samaritan: ṣaṣat.

Why do we wear Tzitzit? The Torah explains that by doing so, "you will see it and remember all the mitzvot."2 How do the tzitzit remind us of the mitzvot? On the simple level, Tzitzit serve as the colloquial string-around-the-finger reminder.3 As we go about our daily chores, whether at work or at a ball game, Tzitzit give us an anchor to the world of spirituality.

So you will see and remember all the mitzvot. Wearing one is simply a reminder.

Being gay, that's a whole other thing. Can you actively partake in sexual relationships and remember all the mitvotz? Not if the Torah forbids homosexual relationships as well as adultery, sex outside of marriage, incest and bestiality? When the law was given, the restriction against all of those relationships was what set the Israelites apart from the rest of the world around them.

Ba'alism thrived on every kind of sexual act.

The concept of Israel being holy, was that they were expected to be set apart from every one else in the way that they conducted their lives and their religion.

In fact, there were several hundred years when they did not follow their laws and when they were rebuilding the temple, found the scroll of the law hidden in a wall, they took it to King Josiah and he had it read before everyone. He then went and tore down the houses of the sodomites that were built right next door to the temple.

II Kings 23: 5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. 6 And he brought out the grove from the house of the Lord, without Jerusalem, unto the brook Kidron, and burned it at the brook Kidron, and stamped it small to powder, and cast the powder thereof upon the graves of the children of the people. 7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the Lord, where the women wove hangings for the grove. 8 And he brought all the priests out of the cities of Judah, and defiled the high places where the priests had burned incense, from Geba to Beersheba, and brake down the high places of the gates that were in the entering in of the gate of Joshua the governor of the city, which were on a man's left hand at the gate of the city.

So to them the law of Moses included the sodomites that were classically defined as practicing homosexuals. Jesus knew this passage, so there can be no mistake in what Jesus taught.

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:55 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No mental illness can be cured though. Only treated.

If the treatment is appropriate, yes, SOME can be "cured." Depression can be "cured." Psychosocial functioning can be "cured" by teaching the client new coping skills. Etc.

That's precisely what the Axes are for: determining the origin of the problem is the first step after defining the problem itself. Then there are dozens of "treatment approaches" to be fitted with that particular problem. I used to have acute panic attacks. Now I'm "cured".

If a woman is living with an abusive husband, for example, and seeks mental health treatment, she can be "cured" by learning what caused her to be involved in the relationship, identifying her own "responsibility" for the situation being perpetuated (like staying, or whatever), and learning new coping skills.

edit on 5/5/2015 by BuzzyWigs because: (no reason given)

It's the difference between "psychiatry" and "behavioral health." Both are sometimes required. PSYCHIATRISTS are Medical Doctors (MD). They are the ones who prescribe meds (the ONLY ONES who prescribe meds). PSYCHOLOGISTS are Behavioral Specialists (PhD).

For example, my cat was having some problems with using the box and some gastric issues. The Doctor prescribed some meds and a diet change, but when I asked "why is he still doing this?" he told me he wasn't a "Behaviorist" and to call the local animal-behavior expert. Same goes with human clinicians. It's a specialty.

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posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:56 PM

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

No mental illness can be cured though. Only treated.

I don't know, the documentary about the guy having sex with his car....that seems a little abnormal. And there was one of a woman who had sex with pieces of the Berlin Wall.

People really do have some strange idea. At least the car won't get pregnant.

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:58 PM
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

That is still just treating the problem. There is no cure with mental illness. Hence why you were forced to put cured in quotations.

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 12:59 PM

originally posted by: Ghost147
a reply to: AnuTyr

We have laws against Beastiality, Pedophilia, severe Sadism, and many other sexualities due to the fact they harm other beings (among other reasons).

Homosexuality is just as much of a sexuality as Heterosexuality. Conversely, so is Pedophilia and Beastiality. Do you really not care to wonder why such people have these cravings? Of course not, you decided that they are having some kind of addiction, or that they chose to do the things they do.

If you really do wonder, then you must also wonder why Heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex. Well all we need to do is look into the brain. Neurologically speaking, Homosexual individuals respond to the same gender sexually just as Heterosexuals respond to the opposite gender sexually.

Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait. The scans reveal that in gay people, key structures of the brain governing emotion, mood, anxiety and aggressiveness resemble those in straight people of the opposite sex. The differences are likely to have been forged in the womb or in early infancy, says Ivanka Savic, who conducted the study at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden.


Similar studies have been done to Pedophiles with the exact same outcome. Thus, Sexuality is a biological property of an individual. And when something is a Biological property of an individual, it means that it occurred genetically; which further means that it is naturally caused.

Please, learn to educate yourself instead of making embarrassingly outrageous claims when you clearly have very little knowledge on the subject due to your belief system.

And so is a biological function of an individual who feels sexualy towards Dogs, Cats, Fish, All types of critters mammals reptiles and birds! This one time on the internet. I saw something interesting with an octopus.

Seriously though. Does that mean such individuals are not just * Getting* off as mentioned before?

Even in the realms of heterosexuality, Things Can and do get quite bizare. I don't need to go into detail about that but pick an organ or orface. Any organ or orphase. Or furries, People that dress up in animal suits. Not quite beastality but still a *Neurological stimulus* non the less.

And yes of course neurons are firing when a pedo is sitting in a car watching kids at a school. There are laws to prevent such vile people from kidnapping and assaulting poor children that should never ever have experiences like that.

Similarly. You don't have to be gay, to have a completely messed up way of being turned on.
The real question anyone is asking is. Is it okay?

Well behind closed doors anyone can do what ever they want.

In the scales of time however, Is it okay for the species if everyone just decided that only being with the similar sex is the answer what would happen to the humans species? it would die out fast. So, from a true biological standpoint. Is it REALLY OKAY? Absolutely not.

There's nothing okay about it, I'm not saying people can't do it because of religious reasons or shouldn't because of someones oppinion including my own.

People can and will do, What ever they Desire to do. I cannot stop them, Neither can you. Does it mean i want people to do this? No i don't. And it grinds my gears when they try to force me to be morally acceptable of their bizare fetishes.

Because that's all it is, Fetishes. Strange ways of being sexualy aroused.

Did you know many average people will develop strange sexual habits simply because the Excitment is lost from the same old rutine?

Does that mean the brain firing neurons will be any more differnent than that of a homosexual or a pedophiliac? Or a Necrophiliac? Beastalitiac? Probably not. Because it literally is all the same thing. Do these individuals have to be told that what they are doing won't make a baby and is wrong as in biologically wrong with incompatiability?

I don't think it will even register in their heads. There's just as many anti-social, Schizophrenic, Bi-polar, emotionally repressed, Over sensitive, autistic, paranoid, ect ect ect. Think of any mental disorder/disability. And it's clear that for the majority of the human species. Theres gunna be something not quite right about someone out there including my own self.

Hell i mentioned my sexual repression. I'm heterosexual but sex in general makes me uncomfortable because people obsess over it but you know what. That's just people, Trying to make their lives interesting. Even if some of them are evil individuals who know what they are doing is wrong such in the case of anti-socials yet do it because they selfishly want to.

Now, no ones going to convince me, that anyone's own method of sexual reproduction is * Natural* Because humans are the farest thing from natural on this unfortunate planet that bears the burden of feeding our species oxygen.

There is nothing natural about us at all. We are Artificial, and not all clock-work comes out of the factory floor in the same models, nore does it come out * Perfect* because there is no such thing as a perfect human. But with out intellectual capacity we should all know right from wrong. And if gay people know they arn't going to be making a baby, but want to force such a lifestyle on the generalized public, who by the way is full of all kinds of sexual predators of every verity.

It just so happens to be okay for 2 men to be together, and if you or anyone else has a problem with that. These people will mob you, Destroy your life your reputation just because of their sexual orientation. You said that being gay dosn't hurt anyone but you are wrong.

It hurts the individual, Others that get caught up in their drama. It destroys buisnesses. Such as biz that denies gays coming in and flaunting that they are welll gay and asking for service, knowingly bringing up repressed feelings of individuals who say you know what NO we won't serve you because ( Insert oppinion here ).

regadless of the reason, is it hurting people? Defenantly. Physically, emotionally, economically. It's just the pain isn't as directly noticable as a pedo running away with a child who was Amber alerted.

And by the way, Beastiality is okay in some parts of the world. So is marrying siblings, and Even pedophilia.
So it might be illegal in your nation. But it dosn't mean that if the brain is firing that it makes it okay. Because clearly there of some of us out there that understand that morally. Sexuality itself is a complicated thing. Just as complicated as peoples mentals states. Does it mean that i think anti-socials are okay?

Has anyone ever said psychopaths or sociopaths are okay? Well that's only the cultural acceptance condemning it. But its just as much a state of mind as anything else. Does it mean all psychopaths have to act upon their anti-social tendencies?

Absolutely not. Just like gay people, Course. A gay person wouldn't struggle nearly as hard as a crazy dude who only wants to lie cheat steal and murder anyone who gets in their way.

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 01:05 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

It caused a lot of distress to the people on the train who saw my ex patient having sex with that cow Seven days running...

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 01:05 PM

Dr Akwesi Osei, Chief Psychiatrist of the Ghana Health Service has openly stated his conviction that the practice of homosexuality is a mental issue which must not be allowed to flourish in Ghana. He said the excuses given by many western nations in support of the homosexuality are only borne out of political expediency and not a genuine belief that the sexual orientation is normal. “Those who are in such situations they have a certain constituency in terms of numbers and in terms of voice,” he said.

Speaking to host of Breakfast XYZ, Emefa Apawu, on Radio XYZ 93.1 FM, Dr. Osei posited that “only for political reasons worldwide, [homosexuality] has been said to be normal but strictly speaking, I believe it is a mental health issue.” “In the past, until some forty years ago, it was considered a mental health issues,” he said explaining that the powerful gay society of America in the 1960s started advocating to get the medical assumptions scrapped, which was eventually obliged by the American Psychiatrists. “The bottomline of whether something is normal or not is whether it is a significant departure from normality or whether the departure brings about pain to the individual or the society.

If something is a significant departure from the norm and causes pain to the individual and the society, then that is a mental health issue,” adding “a man going for a man is a significant departure from the normal and in our society; it causes distress to the society. It is a mental health issue.”

He said like HIV AIDS, anytime a disease takes roots in a country, it will be considered as normal, and that is what is happening with homosexuality.

He said the fact that the practice is accepted in Europe does not mean that it should be accepted and allowed to flourish in Ghana.


posted on May, 5 2015 @ 01:09 PM
a reply to: socketdude

Your example is a guy using the standard "It's not normal and icky" argument. How about any actual scientific experiments the good doctor has done to diagnose mental illness? Where are they?

posted on May, 5 2015 @ 01:10 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is no cure with mental illness. Hence why you were forced to put cured in quotations.

Because I didn't know what definition of "cured" you were using.

A medical cure is different than a behavioral cure. And I wasn't forced to put it in quotations. If a person has cancer, they can be treated and hopefully "cured" in the sense of the cancer being gone. A manic-depressive can be "cured" in the sense that his or her thoughts are more 'normal' or 'typical' and her functioning is acceptable by medication.

But a person with, say, prolonged grief disorder after losing a loved one....can be "cured" in the sense of addressing her issues with talking to a skilled therapist and identifying the course of her dilemma. (Remember the client is the one who decides it is a dilemma, not the therapist - as opposed to a medical doctor deciding there is a chemical imbalance.)
The Prolonged Grief disorder is known as an "adjustment disorder". Adjustment Disorder is the most common presenting problem among clients seeking help. It is a "neurosis", NOT "insanity." The two are different.

Please don't argue with me on this subject, Krazysh0t, I have a professional background in this exact thing. I know what I'm talking about regarding mental illness and behavioral science. Twenty years background, and an advanced degree in the field. I'm qualified, as much as any person who achieved the same thing. I've been out of that business for 8 years now, and just as with any science, the study of the mind and brain continue to grow.

I keep up with current best-practices as an interested, retired professional, but am not up to speed on every detail of the fields as they progress.

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posted on May, 5 2015 @ 01:13 PM
a reply to: socketdude

So we should take heed from a doctor in Ghana?
Lets face facts gay rights and equality are winning just look at the younger generations and what they think about gay folk....they accept it.
Your views are wrong outdated and disapearing.

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