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Woman who failed physical exam to become firefighter

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posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: InTheLight
Yawn.

Your love of straws tells me that you should be a farmer.


Your love of denying the truth tells me that you should research more.




posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: InTheLight
Like enough research to know the name of the test in question...and how it differs from a CPAT?

That kind of research?

The only one that has done no research here is you. I am already well aware of why Wax was passed, and what preceding events led to this disaster of a decision. Are you?



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: InTheLight
Like enough research to know the name of the test in question...and how it differs from a CPAT?

That kind of research?

The only one that has done no research here is you. I am already well aware of why Wax was passed, and what preceding events led to this disaster of a decision. Are you?


Yes, because she qualified in all the areas deemed necessary to fulfill the requirements of the job, by the people that tested her, whose opinions are the ones that count.
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posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: InTheLight
Yes, because she qualified in all the areas deemed necessary to fulfill the requirements of the job, by the people that tested her, whose opinions are the ones that count.

Incorrect.

Her test administrator failed her FST.

The commissioner passed her through.

If the test administrator had marked the FST as a "pass" (as you are so insistent about), there would have never been an article about Rebecca Wax. The whole reason this is an issue is because "somebody" made sure that the media knew she had failed a required pass test, but was graduated regardless.



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: InTheLight
Yes, because she qualified in all the areas deemed necessary to fulfill the requirements of the job, by the people that tested her, whose opinions are the ones that count.

Incorrect.

Her test administrator failed her FST.

The commissioner passed her through.

If the test administrator had marked the FST as a "pass" (as you are so insistent about), there would have never been an article about Rebecca Wax. The whole reason this is an issue is because "somebody" made sure that the media knew she had failed a required pass test, but was graduated regardless.


From the sources I read, the statement read that she completed all tests and they graduated her, simple. Perhaps they are trying to correct their discriminatory practices (testing) in many areas.

en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: InTheLight

Yes....because all standards need to be dropped down so the human with the vagina can join in on the fun.
What you offer is about the most moronic post within this topic.

Standards change and usually get tougher as time goes by.

SF standards and training has gotten tougher and more grueling. Same goes for LE and many other physical professions.

But what is most troubling.....is your statement that the timed part needs to be removed, to allow more females to pass.
And here we all were under the incorrect assumption that you were for equal treatment and were of the mind that women can do what men can do, within the same given amount of time.
Guess your more for applying a handicap score to the females, in order to provide diversity, that wanting the best PERSON for the job.

And you must have passed up the little tidbit from the original article, where numerous female that ACTUALLY passed the requirements were pissed that this woman was pushed through.


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posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: macman

No the standards need to be put back to where they were previously and updated to be inclusive of other races as well. For shame.

www.justice.gov...



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: InTheLight
I hope you realize that you just posted a link to a lawsuit that, if applied to this situation, would mean that Wax is not graduated.



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: InTheLight
I hope you realize that you just posted a link to a lawsuit that, if applied to this situation, would mean that Wax is not graduated.


She is graduated and no amount of dilly dallying here will ever change that. My links are to make points that the NYFD needs to change their discriminatory practices, is all.

www.cnn.com...
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posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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Yeah...if you had a point, the two women, from Wax's specific class, that aced ALL of their requirements, wouldn't exits.

But, as you have researched this so much, you are already well aware of that...right?

Just like you are aware that Wax has already been involved in a lawsuit against FDNY, and the only reason she was passed was because Nigro is terrified that she would have instigated another lawsuit if she wasn't.



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: InTheLight
Yeah...if you had a point, the two women, from Wax's specific class, that aced ALL of their requirements, wouldn't exits.

But, as you have researched this so much, you are already well aware of that...right?

Just like you are aware that Wax has already been involved in a lawsuit against FDNY, and the only reason she was passed was because Nigro is terrified that she would have instigated another lawsuit if she wasn't.


What's one more lawsuit among hundreds to Nigro? They really need to get their testing and act together (fairness for all).



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: InTheLight

Now certain races of people can't meet timed requirements.

WOW. You sure are about the most full of crap person here on ATS today.

I bet lunch you are a person that was consistently passed over for promotions and better positions in life because you couldn't meet the set standards and were told all your life that it just isn't fair, patted on the butt and given a nice shiny participation medal for your actions.

Blacks, women and others have passed the standard requirements. Your logic is an epic failure.



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:39 AM
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Emotionally driven responses do not account for such things.

She is woman and hear her roar "Fairness for all...........meaning lower standards for some because the White Man"!!!!!



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: InTheLight

Now certain races of people can't meet timed requirements.

WOW. You sure are about the most full of crap person here on ATS today.

I bet lunch you are a person that was consistently passed over for promotions and better positions in life because you couldn't meet the set standards and were told all your life that it just isn't fair, patted on the butt and given a nice shiny participation medal for your actions.

Blacks, women and others have passed the standard requirements. Your logic is an epic failure.




They only started passing the requirements after they were forced to change the standards from discriminatory to non-discriminatory and they still have to put the standards back to what they were previously (pre 2006), before they added timing requirements for some unknown reason.



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:41 AM
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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: peck420

Emotionally driven responses do not account for such things.

She is woman and hear her roar "Fairness for all...........meaning lower standards for some because the White Man"!!!!!


I am just repeating what the men who qualified Wax have made in statements and pointing out the failure of the existing testing standards in the area of fairness.

You do realize by utilizing intimidation (trying) and demeaning tactics that it only shows you up as having no credibility in this discussion.
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posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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2 things.

How can standards be discriminatory when applied to all persons.

Will you ever just address the statements presented to you....are do you only know how to parrot BS?



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: InTheLight

How is a time requirement not fair?



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: Domo1

Its absurd when they force 'equality' down peoples throats. Why cant the best person get the job? Seems like that worked pretty well for us for a long time.



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: InTheLight

How is a time requirement not fair?


Read through the links I posted previously, as it explains and reveals it.



posted on May, 13 2015 @ 10:45 AM
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originally posted by: InTheLight
What's one more lawsuit among hundreds to Nigro? They really need to get their testing and act together (fairness for all).

Is this supposed to show everybody how much "research" you have done on the topic?
2nd.



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