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Why Do People Think They Need A Gun?

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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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I carry because I can. I don't need another reason.




posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Answer

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Cute attempt, but you didn't actually address what I said because you can't.

I said in my post that some places outlawed carrying a gun in town.

Your claim was "gun laws were more restrictive". Some of the clearly biased sources in that google search are saying the same thing but it's a misnomer.

Just because some towns outlawed carrying a gun does not mean "gun laws were more restrictive."

You can keep playing this game but you'll lose, trust me. The facts always win.

And as long as you ignore them, you'll always win in your mind.

I can see I'm not going to get through to most on this thread. I also see people not even talking about my original post anymore. Not one person has shown me to be wrong. If you are preparing for something negative, that means in one way or another, you fear that it may happen. If you feel the need to continue, pm me, I'm guessing the majority will just high five each other and say, "we win!", without thinking about anything.

I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.

Take care.

Considering I've explained to you why I prepare, and why I'm not fearful multiple times, in many different ways, it seems I won't get through to you either. Don't ever pretend you know what's going on in my mind. Your (at best) sophomoric understanding of the psychology of preparation belies exactly how little you know about people who DO prepare. I prepare because it's smart, not because I fear. It's that simple.

But, I suppose..

I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.

Have a great day.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Answer

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Cute attempt, but you didn't actually address what I said because you can't.

I said in my post that some places outlawed carrying a gun in town.

Your claim was "gun laws were more restrictive". Some of the clearly biased sources in that google search are saying the same thing but it's a misnomer.

Just because some towns outlawed carrying a gun does not mean "gun laws were more restrictive."

You can keep playing this game but you'll lose, trust me. The facts always win.

And as long as you ignore them, you'll always win in your mind.

I can see I'm not going to get through to most on this thread. I also see people not even talking about my original post anymore. Not one person has shown me to be wrong. If you are preparing for something negative, that means in one way or another, you fear that it may happen. If you feel the need to continue, pm me, I'm guessing the majority will just high five each other and say, "we win!", without thinking about anything.

I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.

Take care.



You stated that gun laws were more restrictive in the era known as "the wild west."

They weren't. Period. You are completely wrong. Period.

The other points you've been trying to make are beside the point and I've not been ignoring them. Myself and others have stated several times that being prepared is not the same as being fearful but you refuse to accept that explanation because it doesn't fit with your own argument.

As I said before, the debate is at a stalemate as long as you refuse to accept the answer that you asked for simply because you don't believe that it's the right answer. If you ask a question and people answer it, you don't get to declare their answer wrong just because it goes against your opinion. That's not how a debate works.

Perhaps you would be better off leaving the thread because your public display of intellectual dishonesty has definitely hurt your credibility.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: superman2012

If you are preparing for something negative, that means in one way or another, you fear that it may happen.


I am not quite sure where your disconnect lies.

I keep a fire extinguisher in my house not because I am afraid my house will burn down but fires have been shown to happen and I would rather have an extinguisher and not use it then need one and not have it handy.

Same as a firearm.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: superman2012

Here is something for you.....I don't HAVE to prove anything to you.

And, you using "what-ifs", complaining about others using "what-ifs" and then arguing that yours is justified and warranted is about as funny and moronic as it gets.

I carry so if I need to defend myself, I have a tool to do so with.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: Answer

S&F

I have thought about this question for quite a while. I think the following statement sums it up pretty well.



Many people will carry a gun because they would like to control their own destiny. Not rely on the government/police
to do it. In the event other people are threatened they are able to confront that threat with actual force instead of run from it or cower before it.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: superman2012

If you are preparing for something negative, that means in one way or another, you fear that it may happen.


I am not quite sure where your disconnect lies.

I keep a fire extinguisher in my house not because I am afraid my house will burn down but fires have been shown to happen and I would rather have an extinguisher and not use it then need one and not have it handy.

Same as a firearm.
I think the point he was trying to make is that deep, deep down somewhere in the buried subconscious your purchase of a fire extinguisher was in some small, insignificant way related to the fear of fire.

Which is certainly true, there is an element of fear in every decision we make. Fear is a great motivator. But he seems to think that because we prepare for things, that little fear is constantly nagging at us during our waking moments, which is most certainly not the case.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

I think the point he was trying to make is that deep, deep down somewhere in the buried subconscious your purchase of a fire extinguisher was in some small, insignificant way related to the fear of fire.


Fear of fire? No, not really.

Fear of not being prepared for a fire? Yeah, maybe.

But not having a fire extinguisher is just plain stupid and I feel the same way about not owning a firearm.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

I think the point he was trying to make is that deep, deep down somewhere in the buried subconscious your purchase of a fire extinguisher was in some small, insignificant way related to the fear of fire.


Fear of fire? No, not really.

Fear of not being prepared for a fire? Yeah, maybe.

But not having a fire extinguisher is just plain stupid and I feel the same way about not owning a firearm.
Exactly. I suppose if I'm afraid of anything, I'm afraid of not being prepared. But even then, it's not like it consumes my waking life. It's actually rather the opposite, my waking life is mostly consumed with work, anime, and sushi. Oh, and arcades. You Americans really missed out on the arcade thing. Japanese arcades are awesome.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:31 PM
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We are the awesome yet whackajob species who has made an industry of blood and war against our own species and the resources of the planet ever since we crawled out of the swamp.
We are the apex predator species of our planet,through technolgy.

First we picked up rocks and sticks.
We co opted fire to our advantage.
Radio waves were discovered.
Now we have radar/GPS/guns/bombs/drones/the start of AI.

We think we are the top dog,as a species.
Look at our cities,our knowledge,our cultures.

We are an arrogant and aggressive predator species if you look at how we do our thing through history.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: superman2012

You asked a guestion, "Why do people think they need a gun?".

People answered your question. You didn't like the answers or did not agree with them, so you are angry because you can't change their minds.

If you want your question answered, you can't present it believing there are winners or losers. If you were not interested in an answer to your question, and was only looking to stir up discontent, then you were being disingenuous, and people around here frown on this tactic.

If you want your point heard, just go ahead and post a rant. We all have things that get our goat every now and again, and a rant is good way to blow of steam, and hold on to your respect. Nobody will think you are just baiting for a fight or trying to pit folks against each other, so ATS will have another of those 100 page threads, were people continue to say the same thing page after page, and will never agree or concede. It makes for an increase in points, stars and maybe flags, but you are still not going to "win".

It isn't about winning, losing or changing people's mind. I don't think that is even possible, at least not for most ATSers. It is about sharing ideas, learning new things, and sometimes agreeing to disagree. That is why most of us are here. We can't forget about those that are still lurking. I lurked for a long time before I came across that post that forced me into the pool. Unfortunately, ATS is an easy pool to dive into. Getting out is another story.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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That's like asking why people want the right to kill their baby or marry their gay lover. Just because we don't agree with someone's choice doesn't mean we get to take away their right to make one.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Answer

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Cute attempt, but you didn't actually address what I said because you can't.

I said in my post that some places outlawed carrying a gun in town.

Your claim was "gun laws were more restrictive". Some of the clearly biased sources in that google search are saying the same thing but it's a misnomer.

Just because some towns outlawed carrying a gun does not mean "gun laws were more restrictive."

You can keep playing this game but you'll lose, trust me. The facts always win.

And as long as you ignore them, you'll always win in your mind.

I can see I'm not going to get through to most on this thread. I also see people not even talking about my original post anymore. Not one person has shown me to be wrong. If you are preparing for something negative, that means in one way or another, you fear that it may happen. If you feel the need to continue, pm me, I'm guessing the majority will just high five each other and say, "we win!", without thinking about anything.

I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.

Take care.



Actually, just the inverse. People have been explaining to you that prudence/preparation are not synonymous with fear. That you have lacked understanding of that may lie in the fact that you don't seem to have prepared for anything or felt the need to do so, since your contingency needs are met by others.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Jefferton

I think that the U.S. is about the only country left that their citizens are still armed.
I do not have a penis, so I am not suffering from tiny-penis syndrome,nor do I suffer from
penis envy! I also know that I am not brain-washed,brain-dead or delusional.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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Im typing this message with a 380 strapped to my ankle that I carry pretty much ever where. Living in South Florida some area's are just plan scary.

6 months ago I was at a gas station getting in my car and I noticed a teenager walking towards the C ctore car about 30 yards away. As I got in I looked in the rear view mirror and notice he changed his path to walk in the store to a path that was headed right for my car. As he got closer I noticed something metallic grasped in his hand. I grabbed my 380 in hand and as he walks by the passenger side he slows to a crawl. (assume he was checking out my belongings) I extended my gun towards the passenger side enough he could see it as he perused through my vehicle. He quickly did a 180 and went into the store.

A. Very thankful he didnt do anything stupid.
B. Im glad I had a weapon to defend myself JUST IN CASE.
C. If there is a next time I wont sit in my car. I will get out and look him in the eye and give myself more space just in case.

One thing I would like to see is mandatory gun safety for gun ownership. I went through CCW training course and learned a ton regarding safety and proper use. Perhaps a safety course would teach people the basic so accidents dont happen as much as they do. Seriously anyone that fires a weapon they are supposedly cleaning has no clue.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
i think pride is just getting in the way of productive discourse, as usual, when you get down to it, pro gun and anti gun people really just want the same basic thing:
more regulations to make sure not every lunatic can own a gun.
You both want the same core things, but you are fighting against each other because the government created this idea that people that are not keen on guns want to take them away from you in the absolute sense


The number of lunatics is pretty low >> 1 %. The number of lunatics who would use a gun is even lower.

A law is a seed that can grow into any government action.

I would rather take my chances with the lunatics than have another law.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: superman2012

If you are preparing for something negative, that means in one way or another, you fear that it may happen.


I am not quite sure where your disconnect lies.

I keep a fire extinguisher in my house not because I am afraid my house will burn down but fires have been shown to happen and I would rather have an extinguisher and not use it then need one and not have it handy.

Same as a firearm.
I think the point he was trying to make is that deep, deep down somewhere in the buried subconscious your purchase of a fire extinguisher was in some small, insignificant way related to the fear of fire.

Which is certainly true, there is an element of fear in every decision we make. Fear is a great motivator. But he seems to think that because we prepare for things, that little fear is constantly nagging at us during our waking moments, which is most certainly not the case.



You brush your teeth? Well it must be because you are afraid of cavities.

Although, you are right in that ANY and every decision we make has some background in desire to prevent a negative outcome, his description of it being "fear" really isn't accurate.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
...my waking life is mostly consumed with work, anime, and sushi. Oh, and arcades.


I see you conveniently left out Midget Porn.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
...my waking life is mostly consumed with work, anime, and sushi. Oh, and arcades.


I see you conveniently left out Midget Porn.
It wasn't a given?



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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Remember that you can't always get to you gun even if you have it.

Your Gun may Jam or misfire.

It may be in your purse or pocket when you're attacked and you can't get it out.

You may be attacked in your sleep. Is your Gun under your pillow?

If it's in your holster on your belt at your side, can you get it out in time to shoot it if attacked?

If someone is running at you with a knife, can you draw, click off the safety and shot to stop them before they cut you? No.

Nothing wrong with Guns mind you but hand to hand, self defense training is more important or at least AS important.



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