Why Do People Think They Need A Gun?

originally posted by: Acatalepsia
a reply to: Answer
Haha no, I wasn't referring to your nephew. ..

Anyways, back on topic.....

What did I miss?

originally posted by: DYepes
Yea I handled a Tavor once, I did not mind it. I think its hard to beat Eugene's versatile and yet simple design we Americans have proven time and again and hold so dear to our hearts. Everything just feels natural and where it needs to be you know??

I keep trying to get away from the AR platform, but I haven't found anything that truly works better. They've been repeatedly battle-tested for 60 years and now they're completely optimized.

The last build I did for a carbine class:

originally posted by: Acatalepsia
a reply to: KAOStheory

^^ Got another one! Haha
Aw poor guy, but at least he's on our side too, so failure to read the OP should be acceptable!!!

aw damn yep ya did. i skimmed em but didn't read the end to each story lol.
it's not acceptable but thanks for pointing it out and the laugh.
great endings to the stories btw, and glad i S&F's the post.
will remember to share with those not as enlightened.
anyhoo hope my ponderings help to enlighten others a bit on the topic at least - thanks for making me think and type them.

a reply to: Answer

jeez that looks like it could fit in my pocket...

originally posted by: magnesiumbones
a reply to: Answer

jeez that looks like it could fit in my pocket...

Maybe if you had some bigass pockets.

Indeed I do my pants have some huge back pockets

what is the actual length on that rifle?

Looks like Magpul furniture besides the stock. I actually like that stock, it looks slightly lighter than the types I normally see. The Holo looks like it cost between $300-$500 on its own, although I cant quite place the manufacturer.

I have come to realize that the angled fore grips actually help improve the balance somewhat. Like, less of it is stick out into the air or whatever. Comfortable as heck too IMO anyways.

a reply to: Answer

I'm a large supporter of firearms ownership and open carry. But, I'm seeing a potential problem...stupid people with weapons. Right here in the DFW area and some others, I have seen stories about people being shot with their own weapon.

In one instance a woman, and mother was shot and killed by her baby. The toddler reached into mommies purse, found the 9mm and shot mommy on accident. The safety was OFF and the weapon "cocked". The other stories I heard recently were obviously the same...round in chamber, cocked, safety off.

This kind of stuff is worrisome...as it indicates that there are too many out there with weapons that quite simply do not know how to use them...they are unqualified to carry...

I'm not sure how to deal with such a thing...we all have the right to have the weapon, but, we each MUST take the responsibility to learn how to use and carry in a safe manner. Exceptions can not be easily tolerated.

a reply to: Answer

Here is link to a Harvard issued paper discussing this subject: Harvard Gun Control

Of note: there is overwhelming evidence that those jurisdictions that allow for concealed carry laws ("shall issue" laws) have reduced homicides and gun-related violence.

originally posted by: magnesiumbones
Indeed I do my pants have some huge back pockets

what is the actual length on that rifle?

32ish inches, overall.

originally posted by: DYepes
Looks like Magpul furniture besides the stock. I actually like that stock, it looks slightly lighter than the types I normally see. The Holo looks like it cost between $300-$500 on its own, although I cant quite place the manufacturer.

I have come to realize that the angled fore grips actually help improve the balance somewhat. Like, less of it is stick out into the air or whatever. Comfortable as heck too IMO anyways.

Yeah, MagPul makes great stuff. The stock is by ACE Ltd.

The sight is EOTech, the only trustworthy holosight.

The AFG is much better than a "broomhandle grip" since you should have your support hand close to the handguard for better muzzle control. You need to grip the rifle in a way that allows you to "drive" the muzzle where you want it to go. I'm moving away from forward grips altogether since the way I hold my rifles pretty much eliminates the need for one. The really short ones still need something because I have to move my hand in closer than usual.

originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: Answer

Thank you for this thread. I get sick and tired of hearing anti gun people saying all of the things you've listed, all the while depending on guys with guns to protect them. I also like that you've given valid reasons why people should be armed. Guns in the right hands save lives.
Here is another reason: If you're out in the woods, they are necessary. I live in the mountains and there are snakes here. I'm not talking garter snakes. I'm talking copperheads and rattle snakes. Also, there are coyotes. They will attack if they think they have an advantage. There are also bears. You can't outrun them and climbing trees won't work. They can climb, too.

I agree thst for some of us in more remote places
The bigger problem is not people but errant grizzly bears, an ornery elk with big sharp horns and packs of wolves who think i would be a tasty appetizer.

An old 1940's era .303 rifle works wonders for
That sort of threat. Its cheap, tough as nails and just works because they were made by the millions
And can hit a target dead on at 500 yards.

If you want something more modern with REAL punch, a .308 is great but ammo is expensive
And the guns start at $1100 for a GOOD ONE!

For me i like the PS90 Close Quarters Rifle
Pretty accurate out to 100 metres and it
Looks like something out of a science fiction
Movie. LIGHT TOO!!!

Ive fired both versions...the milspec full auto
And the consumer semi-auto...both work great!
I should note the milspec full auto hated dusty deserts though...needs better sealing on the
Cartridge insert cuz it's a real bummer to
clean it when you're in a dark tent in -15C
weather on a mountainside away from
Any helo supplies and support... Blech!

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat
a reply to: Answer

Here is link to a Harvard issued paper discussing this subject: Harvard Gun Control

Of note: there is overwhelming evidence that those jurisdictions that allow for concealed carry laws ("shall issue" laws) have reduced homicides and gun-related violence.

This is my favorite source for quick and easy gun data:
Just Facts

Logan Square one strikes home to me - literally.
I live in Bucktown, google it - Logan officially starts 1 block West.

The fact that an Uber driver was on-call and quicker to respond, and likely more fair in his instincts, reminds me of an app I thought of. It could be a million dollar idea, but I'm not an app developer, so if anyone here is, being able to use it would be thanks enough...

It's like Uber or Lyft, but instead of a group of people with cars and a group of people who need one, you have a group of trained, armed, licensed off-duty, available and local private security officers. Say i've called 5-0 on my neighbors repeatedly and they're sick of it.
Now it's serious, and I can hear it - who ya gonna call?

a reply to: Answer

Very cool

originally posted by: tanka418
a reply to: Answer

I'm a large supporter of firearms ownership and open carry. But, I'm seeing a potential problem...stupid people with weapons. Right here in the DFW area and some others, I have seen stories about people being shot with their own weapon.

In one instance a woman, and mother was shot and killed by her baby. The toddler reached into mommies purse, found the 9mm and shot mommy on accident. The safety was OFF and the weapon "cocked". The other stories I heard recently were obviously the same...round in chamber, cocked, safety off.

This kind of stuff is worrisome...as it indicates that there are too many out there with weapons that quite simply do not know how to use them...they are unqualified to carry...

I'm not sure how to deal with such a thing...we all have the right to have the weapon, but, we each MUST take the responsibility to learn how to use and carry in a safe manner. Exceptions can not be easily tolerated.

Stupid people doing stupid things is a problem that will never be solved.

People figure out ways to hurt or kill themselves in all sorts of bewildering ways and firearms are actually pretty low on the list of potential hazards.

In most cases, when a child finds a gun and accidentally shoots someone it's squarely on the parents for taking the "hands off don't touch!" approach instead of teaching the kid. If you have guns and kids in the same house, they need to be taught to respect guns because if/when they do find one and a parent isn't around, they're going to touch it. Teaching a kid "that's bad! don't touch it!" doesn't work with anything else and I really don't understand why people think it would work with firearms.

originally posted by: KAOStheory

It's like Uber or Lyft, but instead of a group of people with cars and a group of people who need one, you have a group of trained, armed, licensed off-duty, available and local private security officers. Say i've called 5-0 on my neighbors repeatedly and they're sick of it.
Now it's serious, and I can hear it - who ya gonna call?

Nice idea in theory but if the UberAsskickers aren't licensed somehow and recognized by the state, they'd be left wide open to legal trouble... both criminal and civil.

a reply to: KAOStheory

Kaos, I think there may be some potential for that idea, but you will need to refine it to compensate for legal issues that can arise from vigilante action. There is just no way the courts will allow it to stand in for the function of 911. However, you could utilize it if say, you need to have safe passage away from the casino you just won $10,000 at and need someone nearby to kindly escort you home or the bank since those kind of winning get advertised on the spot by the casino for all to see and hear.

If you get the fundamentals down, Id GoFund or Kickstarter help you.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
It seems that some people are confused about the OP.

The OP (Answer) is not against guns.

This thread is for people who think people shouldn't have guns. The OP cited many sources and articles which show that people do need guns.

Yes, and I take partial ownership for some of the confusion. I was one of those that got emotionally caught up in responding to another poster and accidentally ran over Answer , the owner of this this thread.

I apologize to Answer and to all other participants in this thread for my part in the confusion. Answer is one of the ATS members that I respect. We have disagreed on occasion, but not often. This is just one more thing that we agree on.

Double post.

It most be an early morning thing.

a reply to: Answer

I would ask you a question. Why is it that places/areas/cities designated as "gun free zones" wind up being an area where a person with a gun finds its like shooting fish in a barrel?

Our constitution guarantees our rights as citizens for very well defined reasons. If you want to change it then put together an amendment. Any laws contrary are unconstitutional.

I own 2 guns. I am not paranoid, so the OP premise is incorrect. No doubt some people who own guns are, just as no doubt, some people against gun ownership are paranoid.

In fact, compared to the tin foil hat wearers on this site, I am more sane than most. It appears to me that many on this site are people living in mama's basement posting crap on the Internet instead of living life.

Perhaps they think by posting paranoid crap about guns satisfies their civic duty requirement. LOLANSWERED