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posted on May, 7 2015 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: undo
guess you don't read much


Lol, no not really
all I know I know it from the TV


Reading hurt my eyes too much


so can you pick out the belgian leader in that eu vid? all i saw were numbers and just wondered if he/she was in the video




posted on May, 7 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: undo
so can you pick out the belgian leader in that eu vid? all i saw were numbers and just wondered if he/she was in the video


Our national leaders do not siege in the EU parliament.

I know it's a bit complicated but the EU is a supra-national government.


Also as a Belgian I have everything to win with a strong EU government since we basically started this all with France, Luxembourg, Italy, Netherlands and Germany, and the seat of all these institutions are in Brussels.




But we still like to protest a lot against some of the muppets in the EU when they go too far. We know the EU is not perfect (far from it) but so far they still listen to the street when the street is talking to them.

And also they gave us decades of peace.

Americans are not used to this but most of our countries have been ravaged twice in the last 100 years.
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posted on May, 7 2015 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: JUhrman

wait wait.... *dons snooty hat*

your avatar reminds me of hercule poirot (well with the exception of a few notable details). i was a fan of hercule poirot as a fictional character and read all the novels in which he appeared. he was so irritatingly classy. i preferred sherlock holmes but poirot was a close second. as a younger lass, in my partying years, i fancied the pink panther for the obvious reason that he was not too hard for my fogged up brain to appreciate.

now as an old, grumpy lady, i just watch them on film and then only if i'm in the mood to be assaulted by an irritating intellectual. at this juncture, i would include something witty about at least one those details being applicable to you. i'll let you guess which one. hehehe.

i'm ONLY KIDDING!

*ducks stern looks*

so yeah, i'm outta argument juice.

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posted on May, 7 2015 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: undo
so yeah, i'm outta argument juice.


I think I stopped arguing some posts ago anyway


OK I have to go now, I have to go check the B.E.A.S.T. computer here because we are getting strange readings from it. Everything should be ready for protocol 27 in June for the operation "Red Dawn" because it's when we will activate the FEMA camps and the culling of the last Americans who try to resist the coming NWO.

Have a nice day!



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: JUhrman

that would be funny if there weren't a trail of dead, beheaded, burnt alive, poisoned, bombed, shot, stabbed, buried alive, and otherwise murdered people.



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: JUhrman

that would be funny if there weren't a trail of dead, beheaded, burnt alive, poisoned, bombed, shot, stabbed, buried alive, and otherwise murdered people.


I know we are pretty good at keeping our plan secret


Don't worry it will be over very soon...



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: JUhrman

very poor taste



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 01:37 AM
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I can best speak for myself - I don't know how many other americans had the same experience. But I grew up being fed Ayn Rand idealism. It was the big thing when I was young, my feminist mother loved her ideas.

Here's what I took from it and what sunk in- We need the brains more than the muscles. Those who design, organize and command are of the most value, and those who carry out the designs of the engineers are worthless. They are disposable and in endless supply, and therefore completely dependent upon their superiors.

There was some mention that the brains didn't need the workers because they would just do it themselves if necessary - they working class could easily be eliminated altogether. As I grew up, I started to notice that it wasn't usually the case - either people have capabilities in one area, or the other; through nature or nurture, innate skill or their choice of education.... but the brains often come up completely inadequate at the physical or manual creation.


When I pointed that out, I was told, well, yeah, that was once not true - for example, one could not run for President unless they came from humble beginnings; they could not get to be head of a company unless they had been successful at each level of the production from the ground up. You got to the top by intimately experiencing what it is to be at the bottom.

Now, the society has changed, we are sometimes born into a higher class, we sometimes go to university and skip some levels, instead of working our way up the ladder slowly. So sometimes those at the top lack experience of being at the bottom. But it doesn't matter - the dependence is still applicable because the availability of manual work is inexhaustable. If even all the people in the country refused to work, or obey correctly, they would just get more from other parts of the world.

Moral of story, told to this little girl is - worship the masters, dare not to disparage them in mind or word. Thank them for their leadership, serve them well, do as much as you can to lighten their load and make life pleasant for them, have sympathy for the weight of responsibility they carry, otherwise, they might leave you. They could just get up and leave you to die, which you surely would without their invaluable knowledge and power.

(and then my parents left one day, each going their own way, nine year old me and my two little siblings, to survive on our own) With these teachings so young, and my experience, I formed a real strong Stockholm syndrome type of problem. Terribly afraid of abandonment, willing to sacrifice self in whatever way possible to make sure those in power are happy and comfortable, panicking if they ever seem a bit disgruntled or even uncomfortable for a moment.

So yeah, as a grown up, I became horrified to see the europeans talk back, refuse to obey, insist on getting things their way.....even their lack of sympathy for the difficult and challenging mental work they do for us - it touched my deep survival instincts in a way I don't think they could even fathom.

It is easy to mock and poke, but to comprehend what is really happening in someone is a challenge.
Mocking and poking leads to nothing effective in such cases. Only comprehension of what a problem is can even approach finding solutions to it.

Just my opinion.
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posted on May, 8 2015 @ 02:00 AM
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Anyone watch that boss undercover tv show? The American version?

It passes the message that the suffering and dedicated worker shall be the one who enters heaven. The more they sacrifice and suffer, the bigger they shall be rewarded by the master. Watch out! The masters could be anywhere in disguise! They see you at all times.

In France, the show has been copied, there is a french version. What is interesting is that what is usually seen is workers not doing their job as they should, or bad mouthing the management. The boss at the end offers them better pay or a higher position, to make them happier and more productive, give them more incentive and motivation. He tells the camera, I had no idea that our protocal was so impractical for them - I will change it to make their job easier and more effective!


There is also a copy of the Gordon Ramsay show, with a french chef, who is much less fun to watch because he doesn't insult in such extreme ways and make grown men cry, he stays polite and compassionate. The fact that I prefer Gordon shows my conditioned preference for powerful people to be slightly sadistic....

(of course I laugh because I know in my head I wouldn't be treated that way - I would be submissive and obedient, showing respect and admiration for his views; never daring to question or challenge or insist on my own views! )

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posted on May, 8 2015 @ 04:44 AM
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a reply to: Bluesma

you familar at all with communist philosophy? the workers are deliberately the least intelligent of the society, not because they gravitate to menial labor, but because the population is deliberately engineered, typically via genocide, to only contain a handful of intellectuals (alphas) with the rest being non-intellectuals. as a result, they kill large groups of people that have trade skills, college educations, doctors, lawyers, teachers, who are well read, or active in community programs (at first they use community organizers to help set up the system, then they kill them). they do, however, place high priority on the entertainment and media industry because it can be used to propagandize the population.

this system is not pyramidal in shape. it looks like this:

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they use jealousy and deflection of responsibility, to encourage class warfare, where intellectuals are punished for being intelligent and anyone who has managed to work hard enough to gain financial comfort is blamed for the poverty of others (this is the deflection of responsibility part). there's zero chance that you will ever be able to improve your lot in life, no matter how hard you work.


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posted on May, 8 2015 @ 04:57 AM
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originally posted by: undo
you familar at all with communist philosophy? the workers are deliberately the least intelligent of the society, not because they gravitate to menial labor, but because the population is deliberately engineered, typically via genocide, to only contain a handful of intellectuals (alphas) with the rest being non-intellectuals. as a result, they kill large groups of people that have trade skills, college educations, doctors, lawyers, teachers, who are well read, or active in community programs (at first they use community organizers to help set up the system, then they kill them). they do, however, place high priority on the entertainment and media industry because it can be used to propagandize the population.


Sounds like the current situation in the US to me (elitist universities reserved for a rich fews, entertainment society, ...).

Also communism is one extreme of the socialist spectrum. I don't think it even really exist anymore besides in North Korea and Cuba (China and Russia aren't true communist countries anymore). Most left-inclined countries are simply socialist.

In these socialist countries, higher education is actually subsided so anyone can become an intellectual, even the poors.

Actually, it's even the situation in communist Cuba too. University education is free so the country is the second with more doctors per citizen. Even Russia has more doctors per capita than the US.

data.worldbank.org...

Seems to contradict your beliefs a little bit
Reality is often more complex than these simplified caricatures depicted by conspiracy theories...


So are YOU familiar with the modern communist philosophy? Have you ever been to Russia, China or Cuba? I did, and what you posted above is not true anymore. Just for your information...
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posted on May, 8 2015 @ 05:09 AM
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no it doesn't contradict my beliefs. i already said: first socialism is set up because it sounds nice, and people generally speaking, are nice. then it turns into a totalitarian state. the guys at the top of the food chain are not like the rest of us. not because they are superior, but because they have no qualms about killing large groups of people to fit their agenda. in effect, if you were to put them in a room next to ISIS, and compare their deeds, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 05:12 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: JUhrman

no it doesn't contradict my beliefs. i already said: first socialism is set up because it sounds nice, and people generally speaking, are nice. then it turns into a totalitarian state. the guys at the top of the food chain are not like the rest of us. not because they are superior, but because they have no qualms about killing large groups of people to fit their agenda. in effect, if you were to put them in a room next to ISIS, and compare their deeds, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference


Cuba and Russia are totalitarian states and they have twice as much doctors per person as the US.

How do you explain that? You said these states kill intellectuals?



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 05:15 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: JUhrman

no it doesn't contradict my beliefs. i already said: first socialism is set up because it sounds nice, and people generally speaking, are nice. then it turns into a totalitarian state. the guys at the top of the food chain are not like the rest of us. not because they are superior, but because they have no qualms about killing large groups of people to fit their agenda. in effect, if you were to put them in a room next to ISIS, and compare their deeds, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference


Cuba and Russia are totalitarian states and they have twice as much doctors per person as the US.

How do you explain that? You said these states kill intellectuals?


propaganda most likely. the west managed to hide for nearly 2 generations (80 years) what the communists did in russia to their own people. the american press HID stalin's holodomor. did you watch the antony sutton vid about wall street funding the bolsheviks?



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 05:21 AM
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originally posted by: undo
propaganda most likely.


Lol. Faithful to the true conspiracy theory mindset


Anyway, I personally went to these countries and your experience regarding them is probably only through youtube videos and ATS threads. I think I will make my own judgement rather than blindly believing everything you post.

No offence.



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 05:31 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: undo
propaganda most likely.


Lol. Faithful to the true conspiracy theory mindset


Anyway, I personally went to these countries and your experience regarding them is probably only through youtube videos and ATS threads. I think I will make my own judgement rather than blindly believing everything you post.

No offence.


it was their plan to make the usa a socialist empire, that is why it looks like that to you. it's supposed to look like that. you are not incorrect in your observation. they set it up as a socialist democracy, originally, once the federal reserve was in place. then they went around the world, forcing other nations into accepting their socialist democracy (oh and set up european federal reserve banks in those nations as well). this is why the american press hid what stalin was doing to russians, but blasted it from the rooftops what hitler did. not because hitler was better, but because stalin managed to kill 50 million (some five times the amount of germans killed by hitler) of his own people and that wouldn't be good press for spreading the communist socialist utopia.

what they are waiting for is getting all the nations in their federal reserve system, have them all hopelessly enslaved in debt, and then they're gonna crash the system and watch as people demand the government provide for them (full out communism, with a nice totalitarian flair)



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 07:52 AM
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p.s. every time they crash the system, they eat up more and more of the wealth of the nations. the crash in 2008, which was deliberate, put a huge chunk of the wealth of the american middle class, into the hands of 4 banks (the rest of the banks were driven out of the system, when the government wouldn't bail them out. only certain banks were allowed to thrive, and the bank that held the bulk of middle class american investments was allowed to fail and their modicum of wealth was absorbed by the remaining 4 banks, who then demanded that those same middle class americans (who still had jobs (millions lost their jobs)) bail them out or they would finish the job and crash the dollar and drive the whole world into poverty overnight.

as it stood, they still managed to put huge chunks of the planet into poverty, stole the life time retirements of the elderly, drove hundreds of thousands of businesses all over the world, out of business, and caused billions to end up homeless and jobless. those people are now at the mercy of their governments, on public assistance, when they can get it. so it's incremently already heading right into what i already outlined in my previous post.

people who think their futuristic utopia is going to come out of that mess, are delusional and are willing to sacrifice as many people as necessary to their non-existent utopia. these people are brainwashed to believe that the guys controlling the system, actually care about them or the welfare of the needy and that all of this is just necessary sacrifice. boy are they gonna be surprised.


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posted on May, 8 2015 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Bluesma

you familar at all with communist philosophy? the workers are deliberately the least intelligent of the society, not because they gravitate to menial labor, but because the population is deliberately engineered, typically via genocide, to only contain a handful of intellectuals (alphas) with the rest being non-intellectuals. as a result, they kill large groups of people that have trade skills, college educations, doctors, lawyers, teachers, who are well read, or active in community programs (at first they use community organizers to help set up the system, then they kill them). they do, however, place high priority on the entertainment and media industry because it can be used to propagandize the population.


That does sound like the USA, but I don't see much resemblance to communist regimes.... north Koreans have a big entertainment and media industry????



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: Bluesma

oh they are pretty far gone. perhaps that's like after the totalitarian form is finally in place. the system no longer needs to keep from provoking public reaction as all are brainwashed and submissive



posted on May, 8 2015 @ 09:00 AM
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Americans have been brainwashed to think socialism and communism are the same.

I live in a country that has a strong socialist component. It has a capitalist market, but an equally strong social security structure and public sector. They balance each other out.

My kids all get to go to university- because it is free. Really hard competition to get in, but it is not money that determines who gets in, it is skills. Doesn't matter what class you come from, if you are smart or hardworking.

If you aren't able to get in, or don't feel drawn to that, you can go to a trade school, also for free. It is also not considered an "inferior" choice- because they have a strong belief that the intellectuals need the working class just as much as the other way around. -That is really where they derive their power faced with the upper classes. They KNOW they are needed and valuable! They know they have their skills and abilities to bargain with.



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