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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 04:45 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: undo
now you tell me that's the fault of the american people! go ahead. try it.


I said American government in case you missed it. And no, in the case I cited the globalists are not the problem.

The problem is specifically with the US representative using his veto at the UN and other trans-national organization, because Americans historically hate to be told what to do by other countries.


Also pleas chill out a bit, you sound upset.


sorry but you are wiggling around way too much. first it's the fault of the american people and we're just getting a taste of reality, then it's the fault of the american government, and you think we can do something about it, right? that a bunch of people who the whole world has been brainwashed to believe are the problem, can stand up to the globalist, yeah RIGHHHT. oh yeah they are saving the big stuff for us, so they can use our people like some gigantic sacrifice to the god of globalism. will people feel any better once the people of the usa are starving, dead or subjugated? for a moment perhaps but it won't last long. anybody who thinks that is a good idea is cheering on their own demise, cause once our government is totally out of the hands of the actual people of the usa, the whole planet is gonna be in a #load of trouble, worse than they've ever seen.
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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 04:51 AM
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Truly a "globalist problem"
not.



A SHORT HISTORY OF US VETOES OF UN PEACE RESOLUTIONS
(and that's not even talking about economic/financial/environment/armament resolutions otherwise the list would be 3 times longer)


Year Resolution Vetoed by the United States

1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in Syria and Lebanon in air raids.

1973 Affirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.

1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.

1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the occupied territories.

1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.

1976 Affirms the rights of the Palestinians.

1978 Urges the permanent members (USA, USSR, UK, France, China) to insure UN decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security.

1978 Criticises the living conditions of the Palestinians.

1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in occupied territories.

1978 Calls for developed countries to increase the quantity and quality of development assistance to underdeveloped countries.

1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear collaboration with the apartheid South Africa.

1979 Strengthens the arms embargo against South Africa.

1979 Offers assistance to all the oppressed people of South Africa and their liberation movement.

1979 Concerns negotiations on disarmament and cessation of the nuclear arms race.

1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled by Israel.

1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights violations.

1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.

1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.

1979 Discusses sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab territories.

1979 Calls for protection of developing counties' exports.

1979 Calls for alternative approaches within the United Nations system for improving the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms.

1979 Opposes support for intervention in the internal or external affairs ofstates.

1979 For a UN Conference on Women.

1979 To include Palestinian women in the UN Conference on Women.

1979 Safeguards rights of developing countries in multinational trade negotiations.

1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.

1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living conditions of the Palestinian people.

1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories: 3 resolutions.

1980 Affirms the right of self determination for the Palestinians.

1980 Offers assistance to the oppressed people of South Africa and their national liberation movement.

1980 Attempts to establish a New International Economic Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped countries and international economic co-operation.

1980 Endorses the Program of Action for Second Half of UN Decade for Women.

1980 Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.

1980 Emphasises that the development of nations and individuals is a human right.

1980 Calls for the cessation of all nuclear test explosions.

1980 Calls for the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.

1981 Promotes co-operative movements in developing countries.

1981 Affirms the right of every state to choose its economic and social system in accord with the will of its people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes.

1981 Condemns activities of foreign economic interests in colonial territories.

1981 Calls for the cessation of all test explosions of nuclear weapons.

1981 Calls for action in support of measures to prevent nuclear war, curb the arms race and promote disarmament.

1981 Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical and biological weapons.

1981 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development, etc are human rights.

1981 Condemns South Africa for attacks on neighbouring states, condemns apartheid and attempts to strengthen sanctions: 7 resolutions.

1981 Condemns an attempted coup by South Africa on the Seychelles.

1981 Condemns Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, human rights policies, and the bombing of Iraq:
18 resolutions.

1982 Condemns the Israeli invasion of Lebanon:
6 resolutions (1982 to 1983).

1982 Condemns the shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in Jerusalem by an Israeli soldier.

1982 Calls on Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights occupied in 1967.

1982 Condemns apartheid and calls for the cessation of economic aid to South Africa: 4 resolutions.

1982 Calls for the setting up of a World Charter for the protection of the ecology.

1982 Sets up a United Nations conference on succession of states in respect to state property, archives, and debts.

1982 Nuclear test bans and negotiations and nuclear free outer space: 3 resolutions.

1982 Supports a new world information and communications order.

1982 Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.

1982 Development of international law.

1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment .

1982 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, and national development are human rights.

1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment.

1982 Development of the energy resources of developing countries.

1983 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law: 15 resolutions.

1984 Condemns support of South Africa in its Namibian and other policies.

1984 International action to eliminate apartheid.

1984 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.

1984 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 18 resolutions.

1985 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.

1985 Condemns Israel for using excessive force in the occupied territories.

1985 Resolutions about cooperation, human rights, trade and development. 3 resolutions.

1985 Measures to be taken against Nazi, Fascist, and neo-Fascist activities .



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1986 Calls on all governments (including the United States) to observe international law.

1986 Imposes economic and military sanctions against South Africa.

1986 Condemns Israel for its actions against Lebanese civilians.

1986 Calls on Israel to respect Muslim holy places.

1986 Condemns Israel for sky-jacking a Libyan airliner.

1986 Resolutions about cooperation, security, human rights, trade, media bias, the environment, and development: 8 resolutions.

1987 Calls on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions in its treatment of the Palestinians.

1987 Calls on Israel to stop deporting Palestinians.

1987 Condemns Israel for its actions in Lebanon:
2 resolutions.

1987 Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

1987 Cooperation between the UN and League of Arab States.

1987 Calls for compliance in the International Court of Justice concerning military and paramilitary activities against Nicaragua and a call to end the trade embargo against Nicaragua: 2 resolutions.

1987 Measures to prevent international terrorism, study the underlying political and economic causes of terrorism, convene a conference to define terrorism and to differentiate it from the struggle of people from national liberation.

1987 Resolutions concerning journalism, international debt, and trade: 3 resolutions.

1987 Opposition to the build up of weapons in space.

1987 Opposition to the development of new weapons of mass destruction.

1987 Opposition to nuclear testing. 2 resolutions.

1987 Proposal to set up South Atlantic "Zone of Peace".

1988 Condemns Israeli practices against Palestinians in the occupied territories: 5 resolutions (1988 and 1989).

1989 Condemns US invasion of Panama.

1989 Condemns US troops for ransacking the residence of the Nicaraguan ambassador in Panama.

1989 Condemns US support for the Contra army in Nicaragua.

1989 Condemns illegal US embargo of Nicaragua.

1989 Opposing the acquisition of territory by force.

1989 Calling for a resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict based on earlier UN resoltions.

1990 To send three UN Security Council observers to the occupied territories.

1995 Affirms that land in East Jerusalem annexed by Israel is occupied territory.

1997 Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories:
2 resolutions.

1999 Calls on the United States to end its trade embargo on Cuba:
8 resolutions (1992 to 1999).

2001 To send unarmed monitors to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

2001 To set up the International Criminal Court.

2002 To renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia.

2002 Condemns the killing of a UN worker from the United Kingdom by Israeli forces. Condemns the destruction of the World Food Programme warehouse.

2003 Condemns a decision by the Israeli parliament to "remove" the elected Palestinian president, Yasser Arafat.

2003 Condemns the building of a wall by Israel on Palestinian land.

2003 To end the US's forty-year embargo of Cuba.

2004 Condemns the assassination of Hamas leader Sheik Ahmad Yassin.

2004 Condemns the Israeli incursion and killings in Gaza.

2004 Production and processing of weapon-usable material should be under international control.

2006 Calls for an end to Israeli military incursions and attacks on Gaza.

2006 Calls for an end to the financial embargo against Cuba.

2007 Calls for peaceful uses for outer space.

2007 Calls for a convention against female descrimination.

2007 Concerning the rights of children.

2007 Concerning the right to food.

2007 On the applicability of the Geneva Convention to the protection of civilians in time of war.

2007 Calls for the protection of the Global Climate.

2007 Calls for Indian Ocean to be declared a zone of peace. Calls for a nuclear weapon-free South East Asia.

2007 Calls for the right of self determination for the Palestinian people. Other resolutions regarding the Palestinians and their rights.



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2008 Calls for progress towards an arms trade treaty.

2008 Banning the development of new weapons of mass destruction.

2008 Assuring non-nuclear states they will not be attacked or threatened with nuclear weapons.

2008 Prevention of the development of an arms race in outer space and transparency in outer space activities.

2008 Calls to decrease the operational readiness of nuclear weapons systems and to ban nuclear weapons.

2008 Calls to end the use of depleted Uranium in weapons.

2008 Concerning the trade in illicit small arms.

2008 Calls for a nuclear free Central Asia and a nuclear free Southern Hemisphere. Prevention of proliferation in the Middle East.

2008 Calls for a comprehensive (nuclear) test ban treaty. Calls for a nuclear weapon free world.

2008 Calls for a treaty on children's rights.

2008 Condemns racial descrimination.

2008 Affirms the soverignty of Palestinians over the occupied territories and their resources.

2008 Affirms the right of the Palestinians to self determination.

2008 Calls on Israel to pay the cost of cleaning up an oil slick off the coast of Lebanon caused by its bombing.

2008 Calls for a new economic order.

2008 Calls for a right of development for nations.

2008 Calls for a right to food.

2008 Respect for the right to universal freedom of travel and the vital importance of family reunification.

2008 Concerning developments in information technology for international security.

2008 Resolutions concerning Palestine, its people, their property, and Israeli practices in Palestine, including settlements.

2009 Calls for an end to the twenty-two-day-long Israeli attack on Gaza.

2011 Calls for a halt to the illegal Israeli West Bank settlements.

2011 Calls for Israel to cease obstructing the movement and access of the staff, vehicles and supplies of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees.

2011 Calls for the immediate and complete cessation of all Israeli settlement activities in all of the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in the occupied Syrian Golan.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 04:57 AM
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originally posted by: undo
cause once our government is totally out of the hands of the actual people of the usa, the whole planet is gonna be in a #load of trouble, worse than they've ever seen.


And that's exactly why I and many others simply ask the Americans to do what people in other countries do when the government is getting out of hand.

I don't wish ill to the American people. I wish they would realize they have something to say in the way their country runs thing.

During the vietnam war Americans still knew how to make a protest. It seems they forgot how to do it for the last 40 years.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 05:06 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: undo
cause once our government is totally out of the hands of the actual people of the usa, the whole planet is gonna be in a #load of trouble, worse than they've ever seen.


And that's exactly why I and many others simply ask the Americans to do what people in other countries do when the government is getting out of hand.

I don't wish ill to the American people. I wish they would realize they have something to say in the way their country runs thing.

During the vietnam war Americans still knew how to make a protest. It seems they forgot how to do it for the last 40 years.


it's too f'in late. the only solution now is not a human one. and if you believe those demands and resolutions were sincere, you gotta 'nother thing coming. the people in control are not interested in the human rights of abrahamic religions, at all. how else do you explain rothschild sacrificing the jews of germany to their globalist beast?

i honestly don't know if the globalists are actual human beings.


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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 05:11 AM
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originally posted by: undo
it's too f'in late.


Bulls*

In that case you will have to keep living with the critics against your country like every person. How you feel about this is pretty irrelevant to me since you refuse to see the role your country plays on an international scale, and how it affects my life and the ones of all people on earth.


Just because it hurts your sensibility doesn't mean the US have no role in this, and putting on the blame on "globalists" when the vetoes quoted above are explicitly from the US gov is just a way for you to feel more comfortable about the deeds of your government.

Like most US people, you display a mixture of resignation and denial about your government deeds.

It's just sad. In other places in the world people are still fighting to get the right to be heard and respected by their government. But not in the US anymore.
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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 05:19 AM
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Understand yer feelings Tadster,

Presently there are may others of other persuations hating my country more than I can think.

I tend to ponder that ours is perhaps a rich, tolerant nation, that sure, makes exotic decisions not worthy of a large minority. We can't help that. There always seems to be someone or some group that isn't satisfied with the way of life.

In saying that, now, I don't agree with all decisions but, perhaps I'm weak in some circumstances but, surely as a pendulum , the sway of anger is sated towards those who receive most benefits inclusive of new arrivals.

Now, I thank your country, amonst others, for assisting in providing protection during WW2. While this is 70 odd years back I don't care but i do get tired of imports, who have nothing better to do than tear apart their adopted country and its beliefs.

Kind regards,

Bally
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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 05:26 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: undo
it's too f'in late.


Bulls*

In that case you will have to keep living with the critics against your country like every person. How you feel about this is pretty irrelevant to me since you refuse to see the role your country plays on an international scale, and how it affects my life and the ones of all people on earth.


Just because it hurts your sensibility doesn't mean the US have no role in this, and putting on the blame on "globalists" when the vetoes quoted above are explicitly from the US gov is just a way for you to feel more comfortable about the deeds of your government.

Like most US people, you display a mixture of resignation and denial about your government deeds.

It's just sad. In other places in the world people are still fighting to get the right to be heard and respected by their government. But not in the US anymore.


doesn't hurt my sensibility at all, i just happen to know that the weapons they use on the global stage are not representative of the height of technology the globalists do have, and they are saving those bad boys for the moment the people of the usa have declared we've had enough of being used as a nation, in their global chess game.

probably will play it up and claim it's evidence of divine intervention, so that people see it as karmic comeuppance. something the globalists don't even believe in. list off in your head the nations that went to war with the usa, not as enemies but as partners. it's global. they just bang it into everyone's head that the usa has the best this and that and are the aggressors (while they have a list of global partners involved every step of the way). we lag behind many other nations in just about every area you can name. we're about as much of a threat to the globalists as a tiny mound of ants. they put our nation up front in press releases, cause we are the BIG target, the one they will remove from the globe so the people of the world will be lulled into thinking the problem has finally been dealt with, when in reality, it's just beginning in earnest.

go ahead, lie to yourself.


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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 05:32 AM
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originally posted by: undo
doesn't hurt my sensibility at all


It does because you keep saying your country has 0 responsibility in the 3 pages of vetoes I listed above, and instead blame it on a conveniently nebulous and undefined enemy with super technologies and infinite resources.

You don't even make sense because the goal of these fabled globalists is a worldwide government, and the US have been continuously undermining every attempt from the UN and other global organization to run thing.

The US government is against globalism and they are damn good at it. It shows that those you call "globalists" don't even have that much power since the can't even do anything about the US vetoing every globalist decision.


Honestly, since your first response in this thread you act like the typical caricature we are discussing here. The American who is incapable of accepting any criticism whatsoever about his government/country, preferring to fool him/herself into believing it's actually the fault of the others.


Newsflash. No country is saint. The US are a big country with a lot of power and influence. They are doomed to # things up seriously sometimes. Get over it.

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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 05:47 AM
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a reply to: JUhrman

i cannot accept criticism of the american people because we've been trying our damndest to stop this stuff for several decades now but since our president wilson sold us out to the globalists, we've had to compete with their endless supply of bribe money and assassins they use to take out government figures who won't go along with it (may president kennedy rest in peace, poor dude was gonna shut down the federal reserve and the globalists nailed him in the head). the other problem was, before the internet, most of us were completely f'in clueless! all we had to go on were government issued text books and television. if not for the internet, we'd all still believe that it was normal for a building to free fall into its own footprint from a fire on a top floor.

listen to this. these are americans dying, thanks to globalists. seriously dude, they will do ANYTHING to keep their power.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: undo
we've been trying our damndest to stop this stuff for several decades


When was the last massive US protest against the government, and how many people were involved?

That's what I thought. Sorry but no, you guys became lazy and complacent.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:38 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: undo
we've been trying our damndest to stop this stuff for several decades


When was the last massive US protest against the government, and how many people were involved?

That's what I thought. Sorry but no, you guys became lazy and complacent.


there have been many, sometimes as much as 1 million people. we've had college students shot for protesting wars, you don't remember that? there are countless examples, they just don't all get reported.

i have had enough suffering in my life. i am not going to go up to a homicidal maniac, armed only with my good intentions and threaten him. he's not going to listen, in fact, he'd just as soon kill every last one of us, before he'd stop. he's not reasonable. to quote the movie, terminator: he can't be reasoned with. these people are the ones who funded stuff like the massacring of the ukrainians, the gassing of the people of germany, the events in iraq, and countless other wars, where all the globalists, sometimes even the actual governments themselves, were complicit.


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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: undo
there have been many, sometimes as much as 1 million people. we've had college students shot for protesting wars, you don't remember that? there are countless examples, they just don't all get reported.



Like I said, the last big protests were before the 70s. Since them the American stopped fighting for freedom and peace (besides a few marches for the abortion or the womens right) and became more interested in the Superbowl and the latest iPhone than the global situation of the world and the role of the US on the international board.


If there are countless example of 1 million people march that don't get reported, make my day and post them here. There was no 1 million people march in the recent US history.

Even in Belgium we had a 1 million march and our population is 30 times smaller than yours. That's how much Americans stopped caring about the world or their government.


Were you guys even aware of the three pages of vetoes from your country I posted? Do you need me to post them again to make you realize your government is hindering any try at worldwide progress regarding peace, environment or living conditions?
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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: undo
i cannot accept criticism of the american people


We can all see that but don't worry it's quite common among Americans.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: tadaman
Its not an "American" thing



From travelling the whole world I can guarantee you it is. Of course it is a generalization and generalization are not correct representations of everyone, but they are usually based on some truth.


Sounds to me, then, that you're talking with the wrong people in other countries. I may not exactly be a "world" traveler, but I've been to my fair share of European countries while living in Germany for 3.5 years--it's very safe to say that patriotism and incorrect assumptions and stereotypes based on nationalism is everywhere, and with equal furvor. I think America catches a bad wrap just because of its size...same with Russia and China. If we were smaller, or looked at by a state-by-state basis, suddenly stereotypes and assumptions would have to be adjusted, just like people in Munich and generally different than people in Berlin.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: undo
there have been many, sometimes as much as 1 million people. we've had college students shot for protesting wars, you don't remember that? there are countless examples, they just don't all get reported.



Like I said, the last big protests were before the 70s. Since them the American stopped fighting for freedom and peace (besides a few marches for the abortion or the womens right) and became more interested in the Superbowl and the latest iPhone than the global situation of the world and the role of the US on the international board.




what was occupy wallstreet? a day in the park? you just don't get to see all the protests and the attempts at the voting booth to fix it, only to find we are still screwed. think what a promise obama was for the democrats and he failed to keep more than half of his campaign promises and in fact, made it worse. if americans were to protest what the gov was doing, the globalists would have the airwaves full of how americans are racist against black people cause obama is black, and that would get pumped around the world, so that everyone was sure to believe that we deserve whatever fate they have set for this nation. and to boot, the democrats would accuse us of partianship. and vice-a-versa if it was republican. dude, it's checkmate. the american people are the only remaining barrier to full global domination. once we're gone, the world is gonna go to hell in a handbasket.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: undo
what was occupy wallstreet? a day in the park?


100.000 people at the peak of the protest.

Sorry, you are the one who claimed 1 million people marches. Now you have to assume your lies.


Just keep telling yourself you have no power to change anything, that it's not the fault of your country anyway, and that if you protest they will kill you.

That's exactly what they want you to believe and you are following like the rest of the herd.

Good job



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
If we were smaller, or looked at by a state-by-state basis, suddenly stereotypes and assumptions would have to be adjusted, just like people in Munich and generally different than people in Berlin.


No. Of course not all Americans are the same, but from a global perspective the US are:

- The western country with the most religious fundamentalists (christian fundamentalism) per capita
- A country with a tragic history of racism. It's getting much better and on par with other Western countries but the racial tensions are still existing
- The second most patriotic country in the world behind Venezuela


The US have a bad rep because of that, and also because of the 3 pages of US vetoes I posted and that so far no Americans dared to comment, knowing fully well nothing can excuse all the harm done throughout this list.

And you, like most if not all Americans who replied to this thread, simply cannot accept all these valid criticisms without trying to say they are false or exaggerated.



My dear fellow Americans. Every country/government is doing things which they shouldn't be proud about. People are not mad at Americans because of that. They are mad at Americans for denying:

- it even happens
- they still have power to make it change in the future



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: undo
what was occupy wallstreet? a day in the park?


100.000 people at the peak of the protest.

Sorry, you are the one who claimed 1 million people marches. Now you have to assume your lies.


Just keep telling yourself you have no power to change anything, that it's not the fault of your country anyway, and that if you protest they will kill you.

That's exactly what they want you to believe and you are following like the rest of the herd.

Good job


sorry, i love my family, my neighbors, even people i don't know, who live here, i don't want them to suffer the same fate the globalists have dished out around the world. all we have to do is pose a serious threat, and they'd have their globalists buddies here in a heartbeat, helping to fix it, with drones flying all over the place, and assorted bull crap they've done to the rest of the planet. i'm wayyy too old and sick, to survive that crap and so are alot of other americans.

what you're are asking is the description of suicide.



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