Two shot outside Muhammad Art Exhibit in Garland

a reply to: RedParrotHead

I don't really think it is about trying to offend. It's about a fundamental principal that We have the inalienable right, a right not given to us by any man or any government, but one that is a Natural law endowed by our Creator to speak freely.

The woman that put on the event feels strongly about that right and in light of what happened to Charlie Hebdo, she felt moved to express herself by putting this event together....like it or not....her right to free speech.

She nor anyone else should have to worry about some religious nut trying to kill her and the attendees. These muslim extremists got exactly what they deserved.

a reply to: retiredTxn

Would've left you to your last comment but not now.

You are entirely missing my point. Those people had the right to be there, if Mossad showed up to attack a Palestinian event. I would be defending the Palestinian organizers.

But if we're going to be nice then. The previous Islamic event shouldn't have been held because it might have offended some people.

From that statement you should understand why all Events should be allowed without fear of violence. Because if you cancel one would for hurt feelings you would have to cancel all of them.

a reply to: johnwick

Here, I'll give you two something to chew on. This is my comments from the other thread.

Yes, this is about speech. "Actions" are protected by free speech. Whether we like it or not, there can be no government censoring of any medium protected by the 1st Amendment. Pornography, obscene, and indecent material are regulated, but only by very narrow regulations.

The First Amendment is based upon the belief that in a free and democratic society, individual adults must be free to decide for themselves what to read, write, paint, draw, see and hear. If we are disturbed by images of violence or sex, we can change the channel, turn off the TV, and decline to go to certain movies or museum exhibits.

We can also exercise our own free speech rights by voicing our objections to forms of expression that we don't like. Justice Louis Brandeis' advice that the remedy for messages we disagree with or dislike in art, entertainment or politics is "more speech, not enforced silence," is as true today as it was when given in 1927. Source

I have no reason or desire to visit such an exhibit, but I have to agree their right to have the exhibit is protected speech.

Does this help?

LIVE UPDATES FOLLOW:

UPDATE, 11:32 PM: The Rowlett/Sachse Scanner notes that the area is in LOCKDOWN.

UPDATE ON THE POLICE INCIDENT:

Officers are advising the scene is NOT safe. It is believed that explosive(s) have been placed near the Curtis Culwell Center. FBI Bomb Squad, Garland Police, Garland SWAT, Rowlett Police, Rowlett SWAT, and Texas State Troopers are on scene.

There is a huge perimeter set. No one gets in and no one gets out.


UPDATE, 10:59 PM: Attendees were just informed by police that the FBI would be coming to interview them all, prior to law enforcement letting them go.

Breitbart News - Live Updates

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OPINION:

This Exhibit-n-Shooting-Event is being ... Dissected.

( i.e. nothing will be getting away )

AND

Has anyone read what nationality were these dead-gunmen ???
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originally posted by: queenofswords
Anybody remember the "Piss on Christ" art exhibit? Catholics were outraged and let that outrage be heard. But did they show up with guns and explosives and try to kill the artist? No.

Obama would not condemn the exhibit either. I wonder if he will condemn this one?!

I am appalled at anyone who would condemn this woman for exercising her inalienable right to free speech. You may detest the subject and method of her artistic expression, but for God's sake...you should support her right to express it.

Oh absolutely I do support Geller's free speech! Except I don't by Mrs. Geller as a human being. Nor do I for one second feel she had anyone but her own self interest at heart.. Geller has a history. A billboard bus advertising history.. stemming back years now.

It's not your personal opinion I know. But if it mattered so much to her... why not quit making books. And give all the proceeds to charity? crazy I know... she's clearly not making money off any of this..

QOW.. saw your reply to the other poster ( parrot head/Sammy Hagar ) .. I'll stand down.

a reply to: MagmaCumsLoudly

Why? Are fundamentalist Moslem "warriors of virtue" running amok in the U.S. now, too...?

yes they are, some citizens have been radicalized due to social media. some have even gone to the middle east and been trained by isis and other groups and managed to sneak back home, and because our boarders are not secure. thanks to you know who.

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: retiredTxn

Would've left you to your last comment but not now.

You are entirely missing my point. Those people had the right to be there, if Mossad showed up to attack a Palestinian event. I would be defending the Palestinian organizers.

But if we're going to be nice then. The previous Islamic event shouldn't have been held because it might have offended some people.

From that statement you should understand why all Events should be allowed without fear of violence. Because if you cancel one would have to cancel all of them.

Quoted for truth!!!!

There is only one outcome to this idiocy.

Muslims - high horse= peace.

They can't demand we accept their beliefs while denying ours.

We must all accept eachothers differing beliefs and move forward.

To the muslims extremists though it is all one sided.

"You must accept our ways or else!!!"

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

thanks to you know who.

GW Bush? Clinton? HW?
Or is illegal immigration something that's only happened in the past seven years?

originally posted by: FarleyWayne

LIVE UPDATES FOLLOW:

UPDATE, 11:32 PM: The Rowlett/Sachse Scanner notes that the area is in LOCKDOWN.

UPDATE ON THE POLICE INCIDENT:

Officers are advising the scene is NOT safe. It is believed that explosive(s) have been placed near the Curtis Culwell Center. FBI Bomb Squad, Garland Police, Garland SWAT, Rowlett Police, Rowlett SWAT, and Texas State Troopers are on scene.

There is a huge perimeter set. No one gets in and no one gets out.


UPDATE, 10:59 PM: Attendees were just informed by police that the FBI would be coming to interview them all, prior to law enforcement letting them go.

Breitbart News - Live Updates

-
OPINION:

This Exhibit-n-Shooting-Event is being ... Dissected.

( i.e. nothing will be getting away )

AND

Has anyone read what nationality were these dead-gunmen ???
.

That is a good question!!!

I can't find anything on it.

Will most likely be days before we can find out unless there is a leak.

a reply to: queenofswords

You know this event was organized by a woman that steals microphones from Muslims gatherings to shout "Jesus Christ is the true God!" and things like that, right? She's only for free speech if you agree with her.

This contest isn't much different than Micheal Brown's step dad yelling "burn this bitch down" or "fire" in a crowded theater. I guess if I had to choose a side I'd side with the people abusing free speech rather than the morons killing peopl over artwork.

Next time she should have the same contest at a Sunday School, why not have children draw these pictures? What could go wrong?

a reply to: Phage

obama, who do you think. he's in charge now and can do away with anything GW or hill did with his phone and pen.

a reply to: FarleyWayne

Thanks for the update on all this, little odd that they are holding everyone still

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

No. He can't. But Congress can.

Not really relevant here, in any case.

a reply to: thenewguy1987

Also a little odd that the News isn't reporting on the FBI holding everyone and them looking for bombs.

Sounds like they don't have a hold of things.

a reply to: johnwick

From what I've been seeing there's a multitude of reporters that were covering the event. They're just all being held now for questioning. I think we're going to hear a lot about it pretty quick.

originally posted by: retiredTxn
a reply to: johnwick

Here, I'll give you two something to chew on. This is my comments from the other thread.

Yes, this is about speech. "Actions" are protected by free speech. Whether we like it or not, there can be no government censoring of any medium protected by the 1st Amendment. Pornography, obscene, and indecent material are regulated, but only by very narrow regulations.

The First Amendment is based upon the belief that in a free and democratic society, individual adults must be free to decide for themselves what to read, write, paint, draw, see and hear. If we are disturbed by images of violence or sex, we can change the channel, turn off the TV, and decline to go to certain movies or museum exhibits.

We can also exercise our own free speech rights by voicing our objections to forms of expression that we don't like. Justice Louis Brandeis' advice that the remedy for messages we disagree with or dislike in art, entertainment or politics is "more speech, not enforced silence," is as true today as it was when given in 1927. Source

I have no reason or desire to visit such an exhibit, but I have to agree their right to have the exhibit is protected speech.

Does this help?

That's all well and good.

But that isn't what you stated here, in this thread.

You laid it at the feet of the event organizers.

Like they should have not practiced they right to free speech.

Which is the reason for my comments.

It is never wrong to use your rights.

Misguided? Probably

In very poor taste? Without a doubt

Wrong? Not at all

I agree just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean one should.

Like giving yourself a hotsauce enima.

Sure I could do it if I wanted.

But is it really the best idea? Probably not.

Though I stand by the rights of whatever weirdo to do it if they choose to do so.

a reply to: Phage

quit trying to play your little game with me i bit once and will not again.

oh and your right he can't do much without congress but that didn't stop him from making the claim that he could now did it.

Not really relevant here, in any case.

not relevant, how can you say that unsecured boarders and the president not doing any thing about that, is not relevant?

a reply to: FarleyWayne

Has anyone read what nationality were these dead-gunmen ???

I live somewhat near the area and the local news is saying that the police haven't gone over to the 2 dead bodies to check anything yet since their bodies are somewhat close to the car they were driving. The police still think there may be bombs in the car so they're not sending people too close to the car yet. Once the bomb squad clears the car, then they will check the bodies and give us more info.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

not relevant, how can you say that unsecured boarders and the president not doing any thing about that, is not relevant?

The perpetrators were illegal immigrants? You have some inside information?
Was Tim McVeigh an illegal immigrant? James Holmes?

a reply to: Phage

Lol That was one Hell of a trap you set up there bravo.