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But Bernie Sanders is not Bukharin or Trotsky. His concept of "Democratic Socialism" as I've come to understand it over the years is that an elected government should occasionally step in and offer an objection or two toward our progress to undisguised oligarchy. Or, as in the case of not giving tax breaks to companies who move factories overseas, our government should at least not finance the disappearance of the middle class.
Maybe that does qualify as radical and unserious politics in our day and age. If that's the case, we should at least admit how much trouble we're in.
Congratulations, Bernie. Good luck and give 'em hell.
originally posted by: links234
originally posted by: DJMSN
Well I know very little about him but he claims to be a Socialist. I don't want the same ole thing but I don't want a Socialist either.
Kind of unfair to write the guy off so quickly without knowing anything about him, isn't it?
Bernie Sanders at ontheissues.org
Bernie Sanders at votesmart.org
Plenty of information there on any number of topics.
originally posted by: HUMBLEONE
It doesn't matter who runs does it? You'll appear to be given a choice of two puppets already selected by the real rulers of this world. You have no choice, it's all a sham. Why do you participate in this farce? I wish people would wake up and see this scam for what it really is.
"The only way we beat the billionaire class is when millions of people organize and say enough is enough."
- Bernie Sanders
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: links234
Sanders is going to get my vote in the primaries.
He's against the Patriot Act.
That's the only issue I'm really concerned with.
The Patriot Act has brought us DHS, TSA, NDAA.
Sanders says he'll repeal the act.
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: bigrex
If you took the time to find out what his policies are and what he's about instead of just freaking out over the label "Socialist" like you've been programed to do you'd realize that he would help the working class and poor. The one's who need to worry would be the Super Rich and the Corporate Giants.
It's amazing how ingrained and Pavlovian some words are for people. As if Conservatives are actually Conservative or Liberals really Liberal. Are Republicans truly representatives of a Republic and Democrats truly an example of Democratic Ideals??? These labels mean nothing and represent nothing in any real sense. They are no different than the names of sports teams. The Bears aren't really bears and the Jets aren't really Jets in case you haven't noticed. Neither are Democrats, Republicans, Liberals or Conservatives. Those are just self chosen labels and nothing more.
Do some research about Bernie before you decide to dismiss him. He might surprise you.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: bigrex
Where about's in Europe are you? The people in France, Italy, Spain and Germany seemed OK. Now I will say Moldova wasn't quite the same...we had to walk every morning for water from a kiosk.
originally posted by: bigrex
I was in France, many are poor due to high taxes, but it is that way all over Europe...
He calls himself a Democratic Socialist. Basically he wants to start using our tax dollars in support of American citizens instead of blowing it all on endless wars and bank giveaways.
I was in France, many are poor due to high taxes, but it is that way all over Europe, I hear taxes are diabolically high in Britain. All the people can afford are little flats that would cost a lot less in the US, except in the biggest of U.S. cities.
But public anger extends well beyond the new green tax, they warned, insisting that without a sea-change in the country’s economic prospects, especially for small businesses, France could expect more trouble.
"A progressive roll-call of bankruptcies and forced redundancy plans is having a marked effect, they wrote. “And as the bad mews mounts up, there is an atmosphere of pain and despondency. There is a lack of hope for the future, and this is fertile territory for a social explosion in France.”
I've spent some time in Germany and my experience didn't tell me the people there were 'poor.'