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originally posted by: DISRAELI
Agreed. I am always emphasising nowadays that the essence of faith is trust. Trust in the person, even more than "believing that something is true". I sometimes use the phrase "throwing yourself upon God in trust".
My thought moves on similar lines. I am developing the concept of "self-offering", which relates to faith as "trust" and also links up with what Jesus was doing himself.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
Agreed. I am always emphasising nowadays that the essence of faith is trust. Trust in the person, even more than "believing that something is true". I sometimes use the phrase "throwing yourself upon God in trust".
My thought moves on similar lines. I am developing the concept of "self-offering", which relates to faith as "trust" and also links up with what Jesus was doing himself.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
This comes back to what I said before, that it's not possible to generalise, because different people would experience it in different ways.
originally posted by: WarminIndy
The spiritual source that Jesus taught...was Himself.
That is why Jesus said "Abide in me and I shall abide in you". This is beyond mere allegorical, metaphorical or gnostic, as Jesus was alive when He said it.
As the Holy Spirit is defined as a personality, then it cannot be gnostic, you don't get an allegorical "light from above" from a personality, incorporeal, existing, spiritual entity that can speak, move, manifest and live.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: bb23108
Sure, but what do you want me to do?
If you want a discussion in terms of personal experience, I can't describe a personal experience I haven't got.
I've already described my own version of the experience.
originally posted by: bb23108
Given being born anew is most central to Jesus' teaching, it would be worth considering fully, in my opinion. And you obviously must think so, given you started this thread.
Are there many passages that indicate one would have an intimate personal relationship with Jesus the person when born again
originally posted by: DISRAELI
Now you are being disingenuous again, which I am learning to recognise as one of your character traits.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
When you ask questions or make comments which are not as innocent as they are pretending to be, that is when they are disingenuous.
Given being born anew is most central to Jesus' teaching, it would be worth considering fully, in my opinion. And you obviously must think so, given you started this thread.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: bb23108
The second occasion was this comment;
Given being born anew is most central to Jesus' teaching, it would be worth considering fully, in my opinion. And you obviously must think so, given you started this thread.
That carried the insinuation that I was trying to evade discussing being born anew, and you knew that the insinuation was untrue.
But again, that's exactly what I told you a couple of posts back, so that's another case of asking a question where you knew the answer already.
See what I mean?
originally posted by: bb23108
Given being born anew is most central to Jesus' teaching, it would be worth considering fully, in my opinion. And you obviously must think so, given you started this thread.
Are there many passages that indicate one would have an intimate personal relationship with Jesus the person when born again - beyond the passages that you already mentioned relative to the agency of Christ, etc.