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The UK Independence Party is NOT racist

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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: DAZ21

Documents show she knew full well. Saville couldn't have got into Chequers without the highest vetting in the country.

'Margaret Thatcher, the former prime minister, was kept fully informed about an investigation into a senior diplomat who was embroiled in a paedophile scandal, newly-released secret documents show.

Mrs Thatcher received a stream of memos from officials about the “unnatural sexual proclivities” of Sir Peter Hayman.

The prime minister was carefully coached on how to deflect difficult questions about the affair after it was finally exposed by Private Eye magazine in 1980.
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The 37-page dossier set out how the then Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) decided not to prosecute the diplomat after he was caught with a collection of paedophile material in 1978. '

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Though in fairness both Labour and Liberals did exactly the same.
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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: bastion I think thatcher probably appreciated Saviles charity work that the government at the time could never achieve, but your right, all parties have been involved in this, they all have their dirty little secrets. I'm sure there will be more to come soon as well



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: bastion

Oh, I didn't realise. I don't want to justify her actions, but it was a different time, we as a nation would definitely have not spoken openly about anything like that.

It's only been over the past year or two where any scandals like this have started to be openly publicised...
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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: DAZ21

Agreed on that - not that it excuses his behaviour but this would have been a goldmine for the USSR if made public/not kept in secret docs. As much as I hate Thatcher it certainly wasn't only her or Tory governments covering abuse up and there's still dozens of high ranking MPs, Lords and Public Officials still to be exposed according to journo mates.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: bastion

Yea definitely I've got no doubt about that...there's definitely some dodgy things happening at the top.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:50 AM
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I just saw this article with UKIP's statement regarding the suspension of the candidate thet threatened to shoot another canditate in a secretly recorded interview with a journalist.

This really does cement my belief that they are in no way ready to be a main player in UK politics. They pretty much admit that they need to re evaluate there selection and vetting process after the electios.

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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok


She also covered for some of Britain's worst pedophiles.

Unforgivable in my books.



I gather from a previous post you are around 25 years old?

You will have heard of and been bombarded by paedophilia all of

your life and are familiar with it...

Now Margaret Thatcher was my mothers generation and my mother

wasn't even aware of homosexuality till she was over 40 years old,

there was no 'sex education' at that time. My mother was appalled

when all the recent historical child abuse became public ... and as

is always ... said by the victims "No one would believe them"

I think its unfair to say she covered for them, I don't think she would

have ever believed the possibility of such evil.



Edit to add I was married with children and pushing 30 years old

before I knew about homosexuality
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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: nonspecific

I'm still voting UKIP!



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: nonspecific

I'm still voting UKIP!


I am not trying to sway any votes.

Just pointing out that if there probable future leader is now questioning there selection process then that makes all of there candidates suspect in my mind.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: crazyewok


She also covered for some of Britain's worst pedophiles.

Unforgivable in my books.



I gather from a previous post you are around 25 years old?

You will have heard of and been bombarded by paedophilia all of

your life and are familiar with it...

Now Margaret Thatcher was my mothers generation and my mother

wasn't even aware of homosexuality till she was over 40 years old,

there was no 'sex education' at that time. My mother was appalled

when all the recent historical child abuse became public ... and as

is always ... said by the victims "No one would believe them"

I think its unfair to say she covered for them, I don't think she would

have ever believed the possibility of such evil.



Edit to add I was married with children and pushing 30 years old

before I knew about homosexuality




Although I agree that things were thought of as different back then I simply cannot believe that Thatcher was unaware of what was going on as Prime minister.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Every vote for UKIP is a vote that forces slimy Cameron to stick to his intention to hold a referendum on Europe.
I want that referendum.
I do not want a UKIP government.


You've put yourself in a circular argument. Labour have said they will not offer a referendum, as have Lib Dems. UKIP themselves aren't willing to commit and even if they did there is little chance they will win more than a handful of seats so not sure why they are relevant. Cameron is the only party leader to commit to it, even though he is not in favour of leaving the EU and I believe that renegotiation is a better option (as does he), but at least he is offering us the choice - no other party appears to trust the public.

To say UKIP is not racist is delving into a grey area. Regardless of the manifesto, many who vote for them, and many who stand for office for them have a fairly simple objective.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted

The more people that vote for UKIP, the more chance we have of getting electoral reform. Because people will be in uproar if say 20% of the UK vote for UKIP and get 2 seats and the SNP get 5% of the population vote for them and get 50 odd seats...

I say a vote for UKIP isn't a wasted vote, a vote for UKIP is a vote for change!



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: eletheia

Check the Torygraph link I posted earlier. It states she recieved a 40 page document about a parliamentary paedophile ring who gave drugs to kids while raping them and contains a handwritten letter from Thatcher to the judge investigating the claims strongly advising him not to make any public comment about the case, was clearly aware of it as she was informed he was found with child porn in '78 and was actively involved in the cover up from 78' - 80'.

[would embed the pic if I knew how]

NOTE: I had no idea the letter existed before looking up the article and had no idea she was that active in the cover up.

I do fully agree with your claims that this would have been unthinkable to the general population at the time, however there's multiple proof that Thatcher, Hague, Child Protection Services and others were made fully aware of the allegations that involved members from all Parties - with the Liberals apparently being the worst offenders.
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originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: uncommitted

The more people that vote for UKIP, the more chance we have of getting electoral reform. Because people will be in uproar if say 20% of the UK vote for UKIP and get 2 seats and the SNP get 5% of the population vote for them and get 50 odd seats...

I say a vote for UKIP isn't a wasted vote, a vote for UKIP is a vote for change!


Hate to flog a dead horse or make it seem like I'm targeting you but again they're not the only party offering electoral reform. All the smaller parties are crying out for it and in my opinion it's long overdue as a requirement for representative democracy as the current system blocks any real change and encourages tactical voting. Vote for whoever you want but there are less controversial parties offering all the changes I've seen you're after so far (I agree the points you've raised all need drastic change and are the biggest issues affecting the country just don't think UKIP are capable of achieving it).
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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific



Although I agree that things were thought of as different back then I simply cannot believe that Thatcher was unaware of what was going on as Prime minister.




She might have been savvy in business and world events, but I think

like all women of her time naïve in other matters. After all those male

secretaries who were privy to the files probably stuck papers under her

nose to sign saying they would deal with the rest!


Do you know any women of around 90 years, or even men ask them

their views!



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: nonspecific



Although I agree that things were thought of as different back then I simply cannot believe that Thatcher was unaware of what was going on as Prime minister.




She might have been savvy in business and world events, but I think

like all women of her time naïve in other matters. After all those male

secretaries who were privy to the files probably stuck papers under her

nose to sign saying they would deal with the rest!


Do you know any women of around 90 years, or even men ask them

their views!



As I said I agree on the whole but none of the 90 year olds I know were ever Prime Minister.

Neither of us know and it's going well off topic.

I assume that one day we will find out one way or the other.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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Haha brilliant!
I'm still going through all the replies but had to respond to the grammar school thing and 'retired old Etonian' honestly funny as # and a genuine laugh, cheers.


Oh, I went to a sinkhole estate comprehensive in Swansea in the 80's, ran away to SW England aged 16, slept rough for 6 months, washed dishes in hotels, went to college, went to uni, worked for central government, then local government, then a national charity, then got burned out a bit so retrained and I'm a self-employed plasterer and general builder these days.

My son went to the local free grammar school after studying hard to pass the 11+ while at the local free primary school, he wanted it himself, I told him I only want him to be happy. He left grammar with good results and is at college doing well. He could have stayed at grammar for 6th form but wanted the more adult environment at college. They wear uniform up to age 18 at the grammar school.

I support grammar schools if funding levels for non-grammar schools are of equal levels. In my area they are, and the grammar schools work closely (sharing teachers/resources) with other schools.

Cheers for the interesting sidetrack, and laugh

...now back to reading more replies in this thread.

*Edit*
Excellent replies to this thread so big thanks to all who have politely contributed so far, regardless of differing opinions.
It appears we Brits can deal with thorny political subjects in a civil manner, which actually impresses me, well done all of us so far.


...now remember to vote UKIP tomorrow and help us get that referendum on EU membership, or at least force reform of the current relationship the UK has with Europe.
A vote for UKIP is a message you are not happy with the current situation. Millions of us cannot be ignored.

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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: bastion

Yes I know what you're saying and its true, but if say the English population that don't vote for the main three, split their votes between the remaining small parties then it's not going to force through that reform,

Whereas if a large percentage vote for one of the other parties like 20% for UKIP for instance, then we can point to that and say to the establishment, 'hold on we're not being represented, the system needs to change' then we'd have a lot more clout than if say, 5% voted for greens, 7% voted for UKIP, and 5% voted for independents.

It's about people power now, to force through change.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: tdk84

Haha brilliant!
I'm still going through all the replies but had to respond to the grammar school thing and 'retired old Etonian' honestly funny as # and a genuine laugh, cheers.


Oh, I went to a sinkhole estate comprehensive in Swansea in the 80's, ran away to SW England aged 16, slept rough for 6 months, washed dishes in hotels, went to college, went to uni, worked for central government, then local government, then a national charity, then got burned out a bit so retrained and I'm a self-employed plasterer and general builder these days.

My son went to the local free grammar school after studying hard to pass the 11+ while at the local free primary school, he wanted it himself, I told him I only want him to be happy. He left grammar with good results and is at college doing well. He could have stayed at grammar for 6th form but wanted the more adult environment at college. They wear uniform up to age 18 at the grammar school.

I support grammar schools if funding levels for non-grammar schools are of equal levels. In my area they are, and the grammar schools work closely (sharing teachers/resources) with other schools.

Cheers for the interesting sidetrack, and laugh

...now back to reading more replies in this thread.



I've been off again today, I will not lie I have been somewhat looking forward to seeing your reactions to todays antics, grab a beer and take it as it is

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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: nonspecific

Ice cold glass of Tyskie in my hand right now.
...really nice lager from Poland for anyone who doesn't already know



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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Absolutely agree on the people power/forcing change aspect - however the two main parties would never allow it as they'd be out come next election (in my pessimistic view). The Gimp Dems wanted AV last time and polled 23% yet when the AV referendum was cast nearly 70% of the population opposed it for some stupid reason. UKIP are only expected to poll half of that this year.

AV Voting referendum outcome
Yes 6,152,607 32.1%
No 13,013,123 67.9%

en.wikipedia.org...

Hopefully people will gradually wise up - may take another couple of decades though at this rate.



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