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The UK Independence Party is NOT racist

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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: tdk84
a reply to: nonspecific

I stand corrected. A quick google found...



Today there are fewer than 200 state funded grammar schools; where they exist they are often viewed as a credible, free alternative to an independent school education, with places sought after and hard fought.


Non near me, I've gone all my life thinking all Grammer schools were private
. Talk about regional difficulties.
I do not think there are any real grammer schools left now, they were phased out years ago.

The one's that keep the grammer title do so in name alone. There was one in a town near I grew up but it was not allowed to be selective.

I think that the thought of bringing back grammer schools sounds elitist but in fact is simply a way seperating two very different kinds of people early on so as to focus on there skill set and give them an education suitable to there future needs.


Medway and Maidstone have the traditional Grammars still. All based on the 11+, we are rather protective of them and even Labour have been too scared to touch them.


I did not realise that selective enrollment was still allowed.

Not that I had a problem I thought it was phased out in the 70's.

You live and learn.

Nope did my 11+ in 1999 and its still going on with my friends kids just about to take them. Every election the local candidates form all parties promise to shield them as things get quite erm heated otherwise.

Think there is only 3 county's though that keep them. Kent, Berkshire and I forget the other.


1999? I got your age wrong by about 25 years!

I often do that with ATS members

How old did you think I was ?


I put you at round about 50ish mate, Hope your not offended


I think I'm not good with ages here though I thought grainofsand was a retired etonian in a smoking jacket for a fair while.

Not at all. I would have been more insulted if it was the other way




posted on May, 6 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: nonspecific

Haha i thought the same. I was thinking he must of gone Grammer years ago when they were free. Turns out hes the same age as me.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: tdk84
a reply to: nonspecific

Haha i thought the same. I was thinking he must of gone Grammer years ago when they were free. Turns out hes the same age as me.


Maybe he's not the stuffy old git I had him down as then.

Attitude duly adjusted, superiority by age engaged.

Edit: Just asked Mrsnonspecific and she thought 50ish as well

edit on 6/5/2015 by nonspecific because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: bastion

It's more a point about your double standards.
ukip person says something. ..shock horror.

LibLabCon does something. ..silence.


She isn't LibLabCon, she's a journalist with tenuous links to a Labour based think tank over a decade ago.

Can you point out any examples of her advocating violent rape or sticking cannons up peoples backsides and firing them to Israel, otherwise you have no point.

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Grammar schools are tricky, yes some students are more able than others, but writing most pupils off at an early age is a pretty backwards approach to education and generally favours those who come from wealthier families and have the added advantage of being educated by parents/tutor etc.. though both my parents got in grammars despite not having parents/a stable home.


How about racism and advocating genocide?
She once said "I don't like white men, I want them to be a lost species."

Pretty damning I'm sure you'd agree.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Scouse100
Are you seriously trying to blame primary school age kids for not booking up their ideas and tutoring themselves?


No I blame the parents.

But those of us who are in the bright category should not be punished and held back because working class parents are prone to be lazy with there kids education and development.

Instead of attacking the Grammar schools attack the failure of the primary schools and the parents?


Or don't have the money for tutoring if the kid is not showing natural ability?

So the same applies the other way around, why should the kids who don't pass be punished by not giving them the same access to resources because of their parents' financial situation/laziness (take your pick depending on your viewpoint!) And perhaps the kids who don't pass need those resources more in order to fulfil their potential? Or maybe we should meet in the middle and share the resources.
edit on 6-5-2015 by Scouse100 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: Scouse100

Or don't have the money for tutoring if the kids is not showing natural ability?

I didn't get a tutor.

originally posted by: Scouse100
So the same applies the other way around, why should the kids who don't pass be punished by not giving them the same access to resources

Never said they shouldn't be given the same resources. I think although kept separate they should be allocated the same resources.

Only the learning styles should be different and courses offered.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: Scouse100

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Scouse100
Are you seriously trying to blame primary school age kids for not booking up their ideas and tutoring themselves?


No I blame the parents.

But those of us who are in the bright category should not be punished and held back because working class parents are prone to be lazy with there kids education and development.

Instead of attacking the Grammar schools attack the failure of the primary schools and the parents?


Or don't have the money for tutoring if the kids is not showing natural ability?

So the same applies the other way around, why should the kids who don't pass be punished by not giving them the same access to resources because of their parents' financial situation/laziness (take your pick depending on your viewpoint!) And perhaps the kids who don't pass need those resources more in order to fulfil their potential? Or maybe we should meet in the middle and share the resources.


I think you may be missing the point of what grammer schools represent somewhat.

The idea is that as some children are more acedemic than others then you take those most suited and give them a more acedemic education.

Those less adept to acedemic subjects are given a more suitable education.

why does a mechanic or plasterer need to learn about the nuance of shakespere or biology?



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: DAZ21




You want change? well here it is, now people complain, because the establishment tells them it's bad for them.


Change ?


A picture says a thousand words. This is exactly why the man is a bellend.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Scouse100

Or don't have the money for tutoring if the kids is not showing natural ability?

I didn't get a tutor.

originally posted by: Scouse100
So the same applies the other way around, why should the kids who don't pass be punished by not giving them the same access to resources

Never said they shouldn't be given the same resources. I think although kept separate they should be allocated the same resources.

Only the learning styles should be different and courses offered.



No me either, but that's not the point, there are kids who would not pass without tutoring.

As far as I know, they still use streaming in schools to allow for varying abilities, one of the main problems in my opinion is that grammar schools attract better teachers. I do agree that learning should be catered to the individual though.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: Scouse100

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Scouse100

Or don't have the money for tutoring if the kids is not showing natural ability?

I didn't get a tutor.

originally posted by: Scouse100
So the same applies the other way around, why should the kids who don't pass be punished by not giving them the same access to resources

Never said they shouldn't be given the same resources. I think although kept separate they should be allocated the same resources.

Only the learning styles should be different and courses offered.



No me either, but that's not the point, there are kids who would not pass without tutoring.

As far as I know, they still use streaming in schools to allow for varying abilities, one of the main problems in my opinion is that grammar schools attract better teachers. I do agree that learning should be catered to the individual though.


Would it not make better sense for better english teachers to teach better english teachers though?

If a comprehensive education needs a lower standard of english then you would be ok with a lower standard of teacher surely?



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK


How about racism and advocating genocide?
She once said "I don't like white men, I want them to be a lost species."

Pretty damning I'm sure you'd agree.



Love that .... double standards!

Didn't you know only the white can be racist



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: Scouse100

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Scouse100
Are you seriously trying to blame primary school age kids for not booking up their ideas and tutoring themselves?


No I blame the parents.

But those of us who are in the bright category should not be punished and held back because working class parents are prone to be lazy with there kids education and development.

Instead of attacking the Grammar schools attack the failure of the primary schools and the parents?


Or don't have the money for tutoring if the kids is not showing natural ability?

So the same applies the other way around, why should the kids who don't pass be punished by not giving them the same access to resources because of their parents' financial situation/laziness (take your pick depending on your viewpoint!) And perhaps the kids who don't pass need those resources more in order to fulfil their potential? Or maybe we should meet in the middle and share the resources.


I think you may be missing the point of what grammer schools represent somewhat.

The idea is that as some children are more acedemic than others then you take those most suited and give them a more acedemic education.

Those less adept to acedemic subjects are given a more suitable education.

why does a mechanic or plasterer need to learn about the nuance of shakespere or biology?


You know, as I said above, I do agree with tailoring education to the individual but I don't really think this is what is happening here. I personally rather resent being railroaded down the academic route when my interests lie in art. And I am sure some of the kids who didn't make it into Grammar might have appreciated and benefited from it more than I did.

Besides, my mates at the local comprehensive were all learning the same stuff as I was, all moaning about being made to read Shakespeare etc... Maybe things have changed, it was a good few years ago haha!



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: Scouse100

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Scouse100

Or don't have the money for tutoring if the kids is not showing natural ability?

I didn't get a tutor.

originally posted by: Scouse100
So the same applies the other way around, why should the kids who don't pass be punished by not giving them the same access to resources

Never said they shouldn't be given the same resources. I think although kept separate they should be allocated the same resources.

Only the learning styles should be different and courses offered.



No me either, but that's not the point, there are kids who would not pass without tutoring.

As far as I know, they still use streaming in schools to allow for varying abilities, one of the main problems in my opinion is that grammar schools attract better teachers. I do agree that learning should be catered to the individual though.


Would it not make better sense for better english teachers to teach better english teachers though?

If a comprehensive education needs a lower standard of english then you would be ok with a lower standard of teacher surely?



I would argue that a pupil with a lower standard of English would benefit from a better teacher to bring them on.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: SensiblyReckless

What? admiring one of the strongest leaders this country has ever had makes you a bellend?

She may have done a lot that people hate her for, but she also did a lot that people respect her for too.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: bastion

It's more a point about your double standards.
ukip person says something. ..shock horror.

LibLabCon does something. ..silence.


She isn't LibLabCon, she's a journalist with tenuous links to a Labour based think tank over a decade ago.

Can you point out any examples of her advocating violent rape or sticking cannons up peoples backsides and firing them to Israel, otherwise you have no point.

-----

Grammar schools are tricky, yes some students are more able than others, but writing most pupils off at an early age is a pretty backwards approach to education and generally favours those who come from wealthier families and have the added advantage of being educated by parents/tutor etc.. though both my parents got in grammars despite not having parents/a stable home.


How about racism and advocating genocide?
She once said "I don't like white men, I want them to be a lost species."

Pretty damning I'm sure you'd agree.


If she did say it then yes it's absolutely disgraceful and she should have faced legal action for it. However I can't find any reputable sources for the claim. Rod Liddle appears to be the source of the claim who is hardly credible. Allegedly they were made during a TV interview yet Liddle fails to mention which TV interview, which breaks the golden rule of journalism by failing to provide a source for the claims.

This interview with her and Liddle matches the alleged dates yet she never makes such a claim: www.youtube.com...

If you do have a video of her making such a racist, genocidal claim I'm all ears.
edit on 6-5-2015 by bastion because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: bastion

Are we talking about Dianne Abbot by any chance? definitely racist...



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:22 AM
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Oh here we go. Only Black people can be racist. This crap gets fed through ats everyday. Hardly comparable to what comes out of ukip members mouths that gets labelled as "banter" Usual excuse. For any racism now in the UK. It's just banter, if you can't tell that you've got no sense of humour BS.
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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: SensiblyReckless

What? admiring one of the strongest leaders this country has ever had makes you a bellend?

She may have done a lot that people hate her for, but she also did a lot that people respect her for too.


She also covered for some of Britain's worst pedophiles.

Unforgivable in my books.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: Scouse100


No me either, but that's not the point, there are kids who would not pass without tutoring.

As far as I know, they still use streaming in schools to allow for varying abilities, one of the main problems in my opinion is that grammar schools attract better teachers. I do agree that learning should be catered to the individual though.



Many years ago my Mother worked with a woman whose husband was a

miner (When the mines were still open) she had a son in a *Secondary

Modern School*

After a couple of years in that school, she and her husband were called

in to see the head, he asked them if they were dependent on him working

because it was his opinion that the son was very talented and would benefit

from a transfer to a grammar school and University.

Long story short ....

He ended up as one of the top eye specialists in the country and often

lecturing abroad.

Talent like cream has a way of coming to the top!



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

She probably didn't even know, I feel it's unfair to say that she did anything, especially as she isn't alive to prove otherwise...




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